Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Makabreska]

Do I care? The product had a certain standard and that standard has fallen behind. It is not controversial to point it out. They can do better.

I mean, you kinda should care if you throw out arguments you aren't even sure are valid. You are basically saying "do this and that and IDGAF how".

[Baraden]

Isn't it? I thought Dracthyr can use it anywhere they want.

I think fundamentally my point is dracthyr look daft on mounts and really should have a way to never need use them, it's hardly a big deal imo

[Nymrohd]

I think fundamentally my point is dracthyr look daft on mounts and really should have a way to never need use them, it's hardly a big deal imo

They really do look weird on mounts. I think originally they were supposed to switch to visage form.

[Baraden]

They really do look weird on mounts. I think originally they were supposed to switch to visage form.

Which would be my solution if I ever play one

But why play a dragon race if you can't fly around like other dragons? Just feels shortsighted to me

[Makabreska]

They really do look weird on mounts. I think originally they were supposed to switch to visage form.

At least it gives us memes:

[Sondrelk]

They really do look weird on mounts. I think originally they were supposed to switch to visage form.

No, they were always supposed to work similar to Worgen. It was later when they added the ability to change into visage out of combat/soar. To my knowledge, they never stated that you were always supposed to change into visage when on a mount.

[Lahis]

No, they were always supposed to work similar to Worgen. It was later when they added the ability to change into visage out of combat/soar. To my knowledge, they never stated that you were always supposed to change into visage when on a mount.

In first builds they automatically changed into visage when mounting.

Then people moaned about that and they removed it, and thus we now have stupid looking dragons riding ponies.

[Nyel]

They really do look weird on mounts. I think originally they were supposed to switch to visage form.

I wish this would be the default. Dracthyr in dragon form on mounts look incredibly silly and some mounts do not have proper proportions either. It's a mess, especially with their horns / tails and clipping through everything.

[Sondrelk]

In first builds they automatically changed into visage when mounting.

Then people moaned about that and they removed it, and thus we now have stupid looking dragons riding ponies.

Now that you mention it, i do faintly remember something of that extent happening. Though i cannot remember whether this was due to the Dracthyr appearance not being useable for mounts or not, similar to toy appearances usually disappearing when you mount.

But yes, it's just silly all around. Dracthyr should not require help flying.

[huth]

Now that you mention it, i do faintly remember something of that extent happening. Though i cannot remember whether this was due to the Dracthyr appearance not being useable for mounts or not, similar to toy appearances usually disappearing when you mount.

I remember them actually saying so way back, IIRC it was even before beta. So yeah, this one is fully on the players.

[Xilurm]

They really do look weird on mounts. I think originally they were supposed to switch to visage form.

What about that one spell that defaults to visage form right after combat ends? Did they remove that or something?

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But yes, it's just silly all around. Dracthyr should not require help flying.

Did they also remove Soar in the old zones or something? I'm pretty sure that's way better than normal flying due to it's speed anyway.

[Nymrohd]

What about that one spell that defaults to visage form right after combat ends? Did they remove that or something?

I think it's still there

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Did they also remove Soar in the old zones or something? I'm pretty sure that's way better than normal flying due to it's speed anyway.

You cannot really maintain Soar for that long after all the nerfs without the dragonriding talents unless you start from Hyjal or something.

[Sondrelk]

What about that one spell that defaults to visage form right after combat ends? Did they remove that or something?

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Did they also remove Soar in the old zones or something? I'm pretty sure that's way better than normal flying due to it's speed anyway.

Soar still works. They just nerfed the max speed.

[Menolikeu]

My speculation:

9.1: Raid that takes place in the realm where the machine of Death is located. Kel'Thuzad will be defeated in that raid, and the machine of Death will be fixed.
9.2: Raid that takes place in the revamped Maw (akin to revamped Tanaan Jungle and Broken Shore), as all the covenants take the fight to the weakened forces of the Jailer (who no longer has a constant influx of souls). Sylvanas is the final boss, she gives her sob monologue, then the Jailer backstabs the crazy psycho and she's gone.
9.3: Raid that takes place in the mysterious Sepulcher mentioned by the Primus, somehow the Jailer finds a way into that realm. The Arbiter will re-awaken and take us there, the final boss is obviously the Jailer. At the end the Jailer is destroyed/sealed again and the rift between Azeroth and the Shadowlands is fixed.
A small raid, either in patch 9.1.5 or 9.2.5, will involve the Light/Void messing with the Shadowlands and build-up 10.0.

10.0: It will be an expansion about Light and Void, as Blizzard already said at last Blizzcon that they find this concept very interesting. Alleria, Turalyon, Calia, and Yrel will obviously be main characters of this expansion. I am also 99.9% sure that Alleria will be the poster girl of this expansion, simply because Windrunner girls sell videogames (the 0.1% has Calia or Yrel as poster girls instead). That's as far as my main theorycrafting for 10.0 goes.

You were so spot on dude! Going back reading this, the 10.0 was wrong yeah, but the raids...you called it. Nice

[Lahis]

What about that one spell that defaults to visage form right after combat ends? Did they remove that or something?

It still exists and I have toggled it on, but most people don't know of its existence much less use it, nor the manual form change.

[huth]

You were so spot on dude! Going back reading this, the 10.0 was wrong yeah, but the raids...you called it. Nice

Well, he got the story beats, but the pacing is completely off. So not exactly spot on, though better than just complete random guessing.

[Menolikeu]

Well, he got the story beats, but the pacing is completely off. So not exactly spot on, though better than just complete random guessing.

Yeah the Patch numbers were off as well, I meant just the raids in general he was spot on with. Minus the KT one. That was included in the SoD part.

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

This rugpull is going to be immaculate.

[The Stormbringer]

Question for self-identifying casuals out there, particularly those who can only play on the weekends or maybe an hour or two a day: Do you think Dragonflight will be worth the box price and sub cost?

I'm currently trying to decide if I want to come back or not, after skipping SL. I've been playing Classic a lot more than Retail, so I might be paying for the sub cost anyway, though my time did just expire last week.

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

I have to be completely honest. If you don't like doing boring things in the game world in a excessively streamlined reputation system through the Renown System presentation. (Activities are also presented the same way they've been since Legion meaning it will feel samey to anyone engaging with what has essentially been so drilled into our brains as meaningless activities from Legion, BFA, Shadowlands.)

No, you won't really have fun.

The game just does not have good progression systems outside of the three pillars and unfortunately integration of players into the three pillars is just not something Blizzard has recognized as a serious detriment to keep engagement high.

They removed all soul from Reputation systems of the past and the world just feels super artificial now since everything is such a crafted experience instead of just being something in the world akin to the old days.

The status of Classic is up in the air and may either be shutdown or a new Season of Classic may start with greater changes. Either way, I just don't think Casual players have a place in WoW atm. This is going to take serious work from the Team and said work is not going to happen when budgeting is as limited and the time constraints are this much.

Ion essentially confirms that getting ilvl is important but since the ilvl will be used to do activities beyond casual players aka doing three pillar content. It just falls apart as a strategy beyond at least reducing the power gap between casuals and M+.

Retail WoW is for hardcore players, first and foremost. People who are able to complete the Seasonal checklist of +15s/1800 Rating/Heroic Raiding are usually the starting point for enjoyment of the current Retail experience. Blizzard even agrees with that as they point out the Seasonal goals every Season now as activities that you should be focused on.