Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Lady Atia]

People who tested event, do we know more or less how many invasion you must complete to obtain whole transmog set on single character?

No, but they made everything account wide so you can easily start on your main/alt of choice and send stuff over once you got enough drops etc.

[Sondrelk]

People who tested event, do we know more or less how many invasion you must complete to obtain whole transmog set on single character?

I wonder as well whether it will be similar to previous invasion events where they start maybe once or twice a day, and then by the end are effectively constantly active.

[Dracullus]

I wonder as well whether it will be similar to previous invasion events where they start maybe once or twice a day, and then by the end are effectively constantly active.

If it's indeed account wide, I guess I just use power of alt army and get it all over first weekend.

No, but they made everything account wide so you can easily start on your main/alt of choice and send stuff over once you got enough drops etc.

So this is random gear drops + currency that is account wide like sandworn relics, right?

[Lady Atia]

If it's indeed account wide, I guess I just use power of alt army and get it all over first weekend.



So this is random gear drops + currency that is account wide like sandworn relics, right?

Yep. And also each of the bosses dropes a core item that is also account wide that can be combined into a new heirloom trinket.

[Sondrelk]

If it's indeed account wide, I guess I just use power of alt army and get it all over first weekend.



So this is random gear drops + currency that is account wide like sandworn relics, right?

Sure, i could absolutely just farm it will all my alts, but that's not really all that fun when you are constantly stressing about whether you have enough time.
If i know it will be faster as time goes on then i can just do it at my own pace, and know that if I am behind then it's easier to grind it out closer to the 28th.

[Dracullus]

Sure, i could absolutely just farm it will all my alts, but that's not really all that fun when you are constantly stressing about whether you have enough time.
If i know it will be faster as time goes on then i can just do it at my own pace, and know that if I am behind then it's easier to grind it out closer to the 28th.

Well, you can do it on your own pace since it's account wide and you know you can brute force it with alts if you won't be lucky on main. If you knew it will be faster as time goes on (not out of picture, maybe invasions will intensify like legion ones), you would probably complain there is no reason to touch it on release week.

[Therougetitan]

So.. why is the arcane spec still called arcane then? Why is arcane blast still called arcane blast etc?

There goes the logic

Counter point: Why is Chaos bolt called that instead of Fel bolt? How is there Void Bolt and Shadow Crash? How is there spells that both start with Light and Holy? Is Lifebloom or Nature's Swiftness correct when they are both spells? Why is it Death coil but not Necromantic coil or any other spells called Necromantic when would be in the same level as arcane?

The answer: They just haven't made a spell with order in it doesn't mean there won't be one day.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

I rather they not mess with Arcane, its fine and it always seems like the non fire/ice school but....yeah you get the point(Its early and I'm tired so I might of just rambled)

[Ferlion]

Counter point: Why is Chaos bolt called that instead of Fel bolt? How is there Void Bolt and Shadow Crash? How is there spells that both start with Light and Holy? Is Lifebloom or Nature's Swiftness correct when they are both spells? Why is it Death coil but not Necromantic coil or any other spells called Necromantic when would be in the same level as arcane?

The answer: They just haven't made a spell with order in it doesn't mean there won't be one day.

Back in the day, there was a notable difference between Chaos magic and Fel magic. Through game mechanics. Chaos magic was a mix of all different spell types, and it ignored all resistances and immunities. I think at one point, though I can't say if this is still the case, that interrupting a chaos spell locked you out of all spell schools as well.

It was, in many ways, similar to cosmic damage which does the same thing.

That is to say, Chaos Bolt was very specifically called Chaos bolt instead of Fel bolt for a reason.

[Cosmicpreds]

You guys do realize there CAN be different magics and whatnot, but it's still fundamentally influenced or whatnot by the same force, yeah?

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Chaos, Hell, and Fel magics can exist, but they are mostly used for the same Cosmic Power of Disorder.

[Khaza-R]

You guys do realize there CAN be different magics and whatnot, but it's still fundamentally influenced or whatnot by the same force, yeah?

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Chaos, Hell, and Fel magics can exist, but they are mostly used for the same Cosmic Power of Disorder.

Order magic sounds as lame as calling something Disorder magic though. They probably should of just come up with a new name if they wanted to create a new space for something tied to the Titans but not quite arcane magic.

[Cosmicpreds]

Order magic sounds as lame as calling something Disorder magic though. They probably should of just come up with a new name if they wanted to create a new space for something tied to the Titans but not quite arcane magic.

I mean, the Titans are the Lords of Order. Why would the stuff they wield not be called "Order Magics"?

[Arafal]

I mean, the Titans are the Lords of Order. Why would the stuff they wield not be called "Order Magics"?

Not be called?
It IS called that.

Because in the context of the warcraft universe, "Arcane" is synonymous with "Order".
Just like 'Fel' is for Disorder.
Just like 'Holy' is for Light and 'Shadow' is for Void.
Just like 'Necromantic' was for Death before they decided to throw that out of the window and simply call it "Death Magic".

"Arcane magic" IS "Order magic".

[huth]

Not be called?
It IS called that.

Because in the context of the warcraft universe, "Arcane" is synonymous with "Order".
Just like 'Fel' is for Disorder.
Just like 'Holy' is for Light and 'Shadow' is for Void.
Just like 'Necromantic' was for Death before they decided to throw that out of the window and simply call it "Death Magic".

"Arcane magic" IS "Order magic".

Does it actually say anywhere that it isn't called Arcane anymore? There can be more than one term for things. Necromancy can still be used for Death magic as well, it might just seem a little unfitting for things like what it's used for in Ardenweald.

[Kiivar86]

Tbh, the whole "omg Blizzard renamed it because LoL owns the word Arcane and totally invented it lololol" level of logic is simply amusing. People have no idea about language and then proclaim their game 100% invented the term.

It does remind me a bit of people noticing how with WoD Blizzard kept using Grom's full name, and saying it may be due to how Honda now has a motorcycle named Grom.

Still stupid idea though.

[Nymrohd]

Meh, there is nothing stopping Arcane from being an effect instead of a force. AS Necromancy is an Effect that can be sourced from any of the Six forces so can Arcane. It then comes to identifying what we associate with the Arcane effect; time magic, illusion, pure force effects that are used both as Abjurations/Wards and as Evocations. Is there a reason why these should be exclusive to Order? Shouldn't Void and Chaos have access to Illusion? Should Void and Light not be able to affect Time?

[Revamp Man]

Does it actually say anywhere that it isn't called Arcane anymore? There can be more than one term for things. Necromancy can still be used for Death magic as well, it might just seem a little unfitting for things like what it's used for in Ardenweald.

The cosmology map has arcane under order so while all arcane magic is order magic not all order magic is arcane

Did multiple pages really happen over this subject

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this is accurate

[8bithamster]

Counter point: Why is Chaos bolt called that instead of Fel bolt? How is there Void Bolt and Shadow Crash? How is there spells that both start with Light and Holy? Is Lifebloom or Nature's Swiftness correct when they are both spells? Why is it Death coil but not Necromantic coil or any other spells called Necromantic when would be in the same level as arcane?

The answer: They just haven't made a spell with order in it doesn't mean there won't be one day.

Wooooosh.. you missed the point. People were talking about Arcane being renamed because of LoL inventing the word Arcane apparently. Not what some headcanon people decide is Order/Arcane nowadays.

[Nymrohd]

this is accurate

Is it? Cause the Shadowlands is depicted separate from Death there. And what we saw of Death really placed little emphasis on Necromancy and Undeath; they were at most tools used in Death but not central to the story.

[Izalla]

It does remind me a bit of people noticing how with WoD Blizzard kept using Grom's full name, and saying it may be due to how Honda now has a motorcycle named Grom.

Still stupid idea though.

To be fair, there was an actual WoD leak that said that Grom would be called Grommash because of legal trademark issues, and people laughed about how stupid that was at the time.