Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Khaza-R]

I mean, the Titans are the Lords of Order. Why would the stuff they wield not be called "Order Magics"?

Because to the point you made, Order is just an umbrella term. So yes, there is Disorder magic as well but its not actually a specific thing but a way to encompass the totality of magic that occupies that cosmic forces sphere (fel, chaos, nether, etc).

Calling something Order magic doesn't make any sense unless the context is that its some yet unknown type of magic that is vaguely being attributed to Order.

[Revamp Man]

Is it? Cause the Shadowlands is depicted separate from Death there. And what we saw of Death really placed little emphasis on Necromancy and Undeath; they were at most tools used in Death but not central to the story.

The Shadowlands aren't on that map

[Aucald]

The Shadowlands aren't on that map

It's to the right of Reality, opposite the Emerald Dream.

[Kiivar86]

To be fair, there was an actual WoD leak that said that Grom would be called Grommash because of legal trademark issues, and people laughed about how stupid that was at the time.

Yeah that's the one I'm thinking of. And I'll admit, I was one of them laughing about it.

Still think its dumb. Plus usage of Grom in Warcraft predates the motorcycle.

The Shadowlands aren't on that map

Might want to look again.

[Cosmicpreds]

Not be called?
It IS called that.

Because in the context of the warcraft universe, "Arcane" is synonymous with "Order".
Just like 'Fel' is for Disorder.
Just like 'Holy' is for Light and 'Shadow' is for Void.
Just like 'Necromantic' was for Death before they decided to throw that out of the window and simply call it "Death Magic".

"Arcane magic" IS "Order magic".

That isn't true. Those magics are simply just most associated with that said force, but as confirmed with some magics, such as Necromancy which you've tried to use against me on, other forces can adapt those magics. Arcane can be chaotic, Shadow can be used for the cases of Disorder, Necromancy can be adapted by other powers such as the Light, etc.

So no, Arcane Magic ISN'T Order Magic. It's just used VIA Order Magics. Order Magics also have Light and Dark cores in some cases (I.E Evoker Spells), yet that doesn't mean those magics are of the forces of Shadow or Light. It's still Order. You perceive a supposed change in the way magic works, even though there is no such change that exists.

[Revamp Man]

It's to the right of Reality, opposite the Emerald Dream.

So it has a link to
Disorder
Death
And void via the elements as well then

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Yeah that's the one I'm thinking of. And I'll admit, I was one of them laughing about it.

Still think its dumb. Plus usage of Grom in Warcraft predates the motorcycle.



Might want to look again.

Yeah I overlooked that
It shows links to multiple forces though so it's not pure death even there

[huth]

So it has a link to
Disorder
Death
And void via the elements as well then

No, that's just artistry. The chart does not display affinities or alignments.

[Ersula]

The Shadowlands aren't on that map

Considering it's the Broker map this is a pretty headass statement. The Brokers live in the Shadowlands. The Brokers refer to the Dream + World of the Living + Shadowlands "The Great Cycle". It's all just lumped together, making the 2 maps effectively the same.

[Cosmicpreds]

The cosmology map has arcane under order so while all arcane magic is order magic not all order magic is arcane

Did multiple pages really happen over this subject

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this is accurate

It is not really that accurate, but comparing it with the Grimoire chart, it comes out the same in that there is a pattern to them, idk if intentional or not, but it's there.

The realms have also "changed" a lot. The Shadowlands is given a vague showcase for Chronicle, as it really only talks about the veil, while the Dream simply talks about the anchored Blueprint the Titans made of it.

The realms themselves have fully changed tho, as the Shadowlands are the Realms of Death, while the Dream is the counterpart of Ardenweald and exists in the Realms of Life.

[Revamp Man]

No, that's just artistry. The chart does not display affinities or alignments.

emerald dream is next to life while SL is next to death

kinda see a bit of a pattern plus its authors are a race obsessed with the first ones and their pattern

[Cheezits]

https://twitter.com/keyboardturn/sta...bgjFepe-SEJQMg

Between the Loken and Yogg mentions in prepatch, Galakrond's bones being in Dragonblight, and now this... are we getting a Northrend themed patch? The Sons of Hodir never had a tabard before.

[Valysar]

https://twitter.com/keyboardturn/sta...bgjFepe-SEJQMg

Between the Loken and Yogg mentions in prepatch, Galakrond's bones being in Dragonblight, and now this... are we getting a Northrend themed patch? The Sons of Hodir never had a tabard before.

And we can hear Storm Peaks' theme in some DF's musics.

[Cheezits]

And we can hear Storm Peaks' theme in some DF's musics.

It's probably going to be a keeper themed patch because of Tyr and Odyn, and the music choice reflecting their iconic area (around Ulduar). It's starting to make sense why they introduced a new constellar in SL.

[Cosmicpreds]

https://twitter.com/keyboardturn/sta...bgjFepe-SEJQMg

Between the Loken and Yogg mentions in prepatch, Galakrond's bones being in Dragonblight, and now this... are we getting a Northrend themed patch? The Sons of Hodir never had a tabard before.

Or we're getting Khaz'Algar or whatever it's called...

Everyone's been saying "will we get a Northrend patch" since SL, and it's a bit annoying. Sure, maybe we'll get Northrend, but that Iron Dwarf logo doesn't mean shit for nothin lmaooo

[Arafal]

It would be nice if they gave Freya something to do.
She hasn't appeared since wrath.

[Cosmicpreds]

It would be nice if they gave Freya something to do.
She hasn't appeared since wrath.

Really hope they explain the whole Blueprint of Azeroth shit better for her. Really want to see the connection between her and Eonar, as well as Elune and co in the Realms of Life.

[BaumanKing]

The cosmology map has arcane under order so while all arcane magic is order magic not all order magic is arcane

Did multiple pages really happen over this subject

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this is accurate

Why are Naaru ships part of the disorder art? Tempest Keep is supposed to be part of the Army of the Light armada.

[Arafal]

Why are Naaru ships part of the disorder art? Tempest Keep is supposed to be part of the Army of the Light armada.

Because the art is depicting Netherstorm.

[Cheezits]

The best thing about the Zereth lore is the implication that there is more to the Nether and the demon realms then just "evil green meanies" that existed solely for Sargeras to take over.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

The best thing about the Zereth lore is the implication that there is more to the Nether and the demon realms then just "evil green meanies" that existed solely for Sargeras to take over.

Nah, just the idea there might be primordial demons or an excuse to create new types of demons.