Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Nyel]

Also, the theory about Iridikron consuming some shit, possibly it's own sibilings giving the vibes of Galakrond, without a need to bring him back, already sounds like a good direction. After all, as far as we know, Galakrond grew, because he was drinking corrupted waters/ eating lots of shit. Also, Iridikron is an earth Primal Incarnate, which not only makes him resemble Neltharion by it's nature, but it would also make him prone to corruption? There's a reason they are teasing Iridikron as a pretty big issue, or maybe it's just a red herring.

Imagine Iridikron eating / devouring Wrathion or his competitors to complete the cycle. Would also solve the question of "who's the next leader of the Black Dragonflight".

[Nebron]

Imagine Iridikron eating / devouring Wrathion or his competitors to complete the cycle. Would also solve the question of "who's the next leader of the Black Dragonflight".

Technically, it would solve it, no doubt about it
But my gut feeling is that while the competition for leadership is between Wrathion and Sabellian, eventually it will be Ebyssian - which would be the cliche subvert the expectations type of storytelling. He's calm, patient, balanced and he seems to portray the very opposite of what other Blacks represent.

But still, Wrathion is such a chad, it'd be a pity for him to die/ not be the leader.
But Iridikron devouring him would be... poetic

[Nymrohd]

Here is an idea
The Primalists are all about opposing Titan influence on the planet and about the elemental state being the natural state.
What if the Incarnates major concern is not the work of the Pantheon? What if it is Azeroth herself?
The most important influence on the planet is the world soul. The world soul deprived the planet of Spirit causing the elements to go aggressive, the world soul attracted the Pantheon, Old Gods, Burning Legion, some random bald dude. And perhaps when the world soul awakens she will irrevocably change the planet yet again. So maybe the end goal is not to just destroy the Aspects and the Keepers but the World Soul itself (or at least make certain it will never wake up)

[Lady Atia]

Here is an idea
The Primalists are all about opposing Titan influence on the planet and about the elemental state being the natural state.
What if the Incarnates major concern is not the work of the Pantheon? What if it is Azeroth herself?
The most important influence on the planet is the world soul. The world soul deprived the planet of Spirit causing the elements to go aggressive, the world soul attracted the Pantheon, Old Gods, Burning Legion, some random bald dude. And perhaps when the world soul awakens she will irrevocably change the planet yet again. So maybe the end goal is not to just destroy the Aspects and the Keepers but the World Soul itself (or at least make certain it will never wake up)

So, basically the plot of the last three expansions, again?

[Gorsameth]

Technically, it would solve it, no doubt about it
But my gut feeling is that while the competition for leadership is between Wrathion and Sabellian, eventually it will be Ebyssian - which would be the cliche subvert the expectations type of storytelling. He's calm, patient, balanced and he seems to portray the very opposite of what other Blacks represent.

But still, Wrathion is such a chad, it'd be a pity for him to die/ not be the leader.
But Iridikron devouring him would be... poetic

Having a 3e become the eventual Aspect would also avoid a potential problem of having to deal with players who chose the 'wrong' person to side with.

[Nyel]

Wrathion not becoming Aspect would basically make him an antagonist (more than in the past), if not a villain. He's too proud and vain to accept such a defeat and still be our ally.

[huth]

Technically, it would solve it, no doubt about it
But my gut feeling is that while the competition for leadership is between Wrathion and Sabellian, eventually it will be Ebyssian - which would be the cliche subvert the expectations type of storytelling. He's calm, patient, balanced and he seems to portray the very opposite of what other Blacks represent.

But still, Wrathion is such a chad, it'd be a pity for him to die/ not be the leader.
But Iridikron devouring him would be... poetic

Wrathion leader, Ebyssian as advisor and running all the boring everyday stuff behind the scenes seems ideal to me from a practical PoV.

[Jaggler]

So, basically the plot of the last three expansions, again?

Sargeras and N'zoth were less about destroying the World soul and more about corrupting it. The Jailer's goal also wasn't explicitly about killing Azeroth, but rather siphoning it's power to fuel his plans.

[Lahis]

So, basically the plot of the last three expansions, again?

Only if they also try to harvest Azerite to power up their Big Elemental Magic of Doom.

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

Guys if we keep spamming the World Soul plotline maybe they will do something!

[draugril]

Wrathion leader, Ebyssian as advisor and running all the boring everyday stuff behind the scenes seems ideal to me from a practical PoV.

I think both are too naive, really. Wrathion is like 12 years old, and Ebonhorn has spent his entire life confined to Highmountain with even less global experience than Wrathion.

[huth]

I think both are too naive, really. Wrathion is like 12 years old, and Ebonhorn has spent his entire life confined to Highmountain with even less global experience than Wrathion.

And the other option spend the last few decades in Outland. Not like there's a whole lot of possibilities, and i'd expect Ebonhorn to do a lot better at basic stuff than the little kid.

[Lahis]

And the other option spend the last few decades in Outland. Not like there's a whole lot of possibilities, and i'd expect Ebonhorn to do a lot better at basic stuff than the little kid.

You don't see Ebonhorn anywhere in the Aspect promotional art they have done.

Wrathion will be the Aspect, Ebonhorn has no interest and Sabellian is just an another Sylvanas Loyalist scenario.

[huth]

You don't see Ebonhorn anywhere in the Aspect promotional art they have done.

Wrathion will be the Aspect, Ebonhorn has no interest and Sabellian is just an another Sylvanas Loyalist scenario.

Which does not conflict in any way with what i said.

[Sondrelk]

You don't see Ebonhorn anywhere in the Aspect promotional art they have done.

Wrathion will be the Aspect, Ebonhorn has no interest and Sabellian is just an another Sylvanas Loyalist scenario.

I imagine Sabellian will be negative towards Wrathion until a later patch when Wrathion does something or other to prove he is capable of being an aspect. Sabellian will then pledge his loyalty to Wrathion in order to ensure he becomes the best version of himself that he could be.

Wrathion being sidelined seems unlikely, and Sabellian being evil seems far too easy an out considering he makes perfectly valid points.
Having both survive, and for Sabellian to accept Wrathion as aspect sounds like the kind of ending his arc needs. Learning actual maturity, and not just pretending to be.

[loras]

So, basically the plot of the last three expansions, again?

Sargeras had that rapey vibe going for Azeroth but might also just kill her, bald dude wanted to use her as fuel for his universe reoriginator-inator, the old gods want to infect her and turn her into one of them, and finally the pantheon are apparantly just zealous wankers that want "educate" her into becoming like them, a nice and properly behaved and believing young titan lady.

So yeah smothering her in her infancy is not too creative, but it's not the exact same thing. Hell maybe they don't even want to kill her but would rather turn her into the titan equivalent of a braindead plant.

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I imagine Sabellian will be negative towards Wrathion until a later patch when Wrathion does something or other to prove he is capable of being an aspect. Sabellian will then pledge his loyalty to Wrathion in order to ensure he becomes the best version of himself that he could be.

Wrathion being sidelined seems unlikely, and Sabellian being evil seems far too easy an out considering he makes perfectly valid points.
Having both survive, and for Sabellian to accept Wrathion as aspect sounds like the kind of ending his arc needs. Learning actual maturity, and not just pretending to be.

Maybe they will share the burden? That could ease Wrathion's fear of falling to the whispers alone too.

Sabellian simply has the much more impressive achievement list, as far as the black dragonflight is concerned; standing against the dark alone, rebuilding, biding and surviving where few else could.
Meanwhile Wrathion was given much and more and also did various impressive things, but he kinda also almost ended the world with his rash stupidity.

Keep in mind they did that for That other powerful position as well, after various holders of the title fell to corruption. The warchief is no more due to its riskiness, maybe the ones directly responsible for the domain in which the old gods lie should not rule alone either.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

The Titans seem to want her stable. Not chaotic or anything explosive(Or rather the Keepers based on loving the Titans). Also I hope Odyn becomes relevant if we keep delving into Titan lore or history.

[Cheezits]

The Uldaman books revealing Uldoros/Tyrhold's purpose of turning Azeroth energy into Order implies that she wasn't a "Titan" to begin with and they may have made her one. The Primalists may just want her to "natural" without any other magic going into her.

Titans are World Souls, but not all World Souls are Titans it seems. Or at least not Order Titans. There was an interesting theory on twitter that says that's why Argus went to the Shadowlands: he was so infused with Death (either on purpose or secretly) that he truly was a death creature, and so he went to that plane on his death.

So a world soul could just be a rare sentient being that is super susceptible to Magic and can be turned into another Pantheon Titan, Void Lord, Eternal One, etc.

Actually.... maybe this is why the Eternal Ones are beatable by adventurers and aren't as powerful as Titans. Because they are created by the First Ones and are not natural world souls like the Titans.

[loras]

The Uldaman books revealing Uldoros/Tyrhold's purpose of turning Azeroth energy into Order implies that she wasn't a "Titan" to begin with and they may have made her one. The Primalists may just want her to "natural" without any other magic going into her.

Titans are World Souls, but not all World Souls are Titans it seems. Or at least not Order Titans. There was an interesting theory on twitter that says that's why Argus went to the Shadowlands: he was so infused with Death (either on purpose or secretly) that he truly was a death creature.

So a world soul could just be a rare sentient being that is super susceptible to Magic and can be turned into another Titan, Void Lord etc.

There is also the point that titans are not like i.e. the eternal ones in that they are not made, but born.
And that even the ones on the pantheon are not uniform in their powers' nature; some tend towards the elements, some to life, one "fell" to chaos and argus was indeed turned to death. Only two of them align with order.

Perhaps there is more to the relation between the keepers and the titans, in that the keepers could be more order inclined than their creators as their creators could have either been influenced by actual order creatures to create creatures mire orderly than themselves, or that the titans deemed "order" to be the most suitable power to realise their designs.

Practically that would mean that the keepers are order's old god equivalent, or something close to it anyhow as they also involve titanic power in their creation.

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The Uldaman books revealing Uldoros/Tyrhold's purpose of turning Azeroth energy into Order implies that she wasn't a "Titan" to begin with and they may have made her one. The Primalists may just want her to "natural" without any other magic going into her.

Titans are World Souls, but not all World Souls are Titans it seems. Or at least not Order Titans. There was an interesting theory on twitter that says that's why Argus went to the Shadowlands: he was so infused with Death (either on purpose or secretly) that he truly was a death creature, and so he went to that plane on his death.

So a world soul could just be a rare sentient being that is super susceptible to Magic and can be turned into another Pantheon Titan, Void Lord, Eternal One, etc.

Actually.... maybe this is why the Eternal Ones are beatable by adventurers and aren't as powerful as Titans. Because they are created by the First Ones and are not natural world souls like the Titans.

Keep in mind that Sargeras illustrates that they can turn even after inception.
So perhaps titans are just on a whole different level, and the ones we know of just happen to have been convinced most by order, so far.

[Cheezits]

Yeah I think there's a case to be made that the First Ones are the true Order pantheon and they may have groomed the Titans to be Order creatures as well, even though they aren't inherently of Order. After all, Argus looks like them even though he didn't get the Uldorus treatment/fed Arcane.