Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Dracullus]

So why do you think EU has maintenance in peak hour today? Something related to 9.1.5 or DICK JOKES MUST BE REMOVED ASAP?

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

So why do you think EU has maintenance in peak hour today? Something related to 9.1.5 or DICK JOKES MUST BE REMOVED ASAP?

Open Beta for WoW Classic "Season of Mastery" is starting later today.

9.1.5 isn't scheduled to launch before Late October/November.

[draugril]

I would rather read a novel than a boring encyclopedia, so I don't see why it's a problem that WoW is trying to tell a story? Legion and to some degree BfA with the N'Zoth kill were the way to go. Maybe with some more joices similiar to the Syvlanas loyalist questline.

If you want a sandbox game you can play Minecraft.

That wasn't my point - apologies if I wasn't clear. The point is that WoW is ostensibly trying to tell a story, but their superfluous world-building is getting in the way of that. Detailing the mechanisms behind death isn't inherently engaging storytelling - arguably, it actively detracts from immersion because it demystifies the mythos. Honestly, at this point, I can't even tell you who our protagonist is. Their goal is to write a novel, but they're getting so bogged down in the details that the outcome reads like an encyclopedia.

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

To be honest, they either have to frame the narrative like a narrative game (which is impossible due to costs + resources with an old engine) or they have to put out more books and other transmedia narrative and then rely on just having the core story being told to the players and stick to it rather than have 5000 other storylines going on at the same time.

[Nyel]

To be honest, they either have to frame the narrative like a narrative game (which is impossible due to costs + resources with an old engine) or they have to put out more books and other transmedia narrative and then rely on just having the core story being told to the players and stick to it rather than have 5000 other storylines going on at the same time.

The book thing can be rather problematic as we see right now with the Sylvanas novel. Delayed, postponed, whatever - due to the "writing process" (whoever believes that). Plus, it excludes the overwhelming majority of players from the story that's happening. I own most of the Warcraft books, but I wish storytelling would take place more in than out of game.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

So why do you think EU has maintenance in peak hour today? Something related to 9.1.5 or DICK JOKES MUST BE REMOVED ASAP?

Server stability?

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

The book thing can be rather problematic as we see right now with the Sylvanas novel. Delayed, postponed, whatever - due to the "writing process" (whoever believes that). Plus, it excludes the overwhelming majority of players from the story that's happening. I own most of the Warcraft books, but I wish storytelling would take place more in than out of game.

Yeah, but even then the snail pace in WoW is ridiculous. Like they couldn't tell the story of Sylvanas waking up and finding the final Sigil in 9.1.5 instead we have to wait till February which in turn will also have said Sylvanas book right after the 9.2 launch. That's the big issue for me is that they've made a significant play to make sure that Sylvanas is unexplained until you pick up the book and that book is going to be the book that explains everything when everything has already happened narratively.

Obviously, the bigger problem is the issue of the fact that the events of 9.2 Raid Cinematic is already going to be completely questionmark territory for most watchers of the cinematic as key components have been in the recent books that most people have not read.

[draugril]

The book thing can be rather problematic as we see right now with the Sylvanas novel. Delayed, postponed, whatever - due to the "writing process" (whoever believes that). Plus, it excludes the overwhelming majority of players from the story that's happening. I own most of the Warcraft books, but I wish storytelling would take place more in than out of game.

It would help if we had in-game protagonists that weren't the player characters. Blizzard simultaneously makes us the absolute central driving force of their narrative and makes us complete nobodies. That type of storytelling satisfies no one.

[Raetary]

They should bring back mops scenario system for more story content.

[Sondrelk]

They should bring back mops scenario system for more story content.

I mean, they did. You go into scenarios all the time.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

I mean, they did. You go into scenarios all the time.

I think he means as what they were in MoP, not some hidden system in questing.

[Raetary]

I mean, they did. You go into scenarios all the time.

They repurposed it for quests, but i want them to bring back the old scenario tab and expand upon it.

[Sondrelk]

They repurposed it for quests, but i want them to bring back the old scenario tab and expand upon it.

How exactly? From my admittedly limited recollection of scenarios in the latter half of MoP it was mostly just being told that you needed to enter X scenario to see what plot happenings were going on elsewhere, whereupon you did and got into a scenario like we have now.

There are definitely times when the MoP scenarios were better at telling stories happening in places other than Pandaria, but from what I remember the system would essentialy be the same if you got a quest to go somewhere, and then got into a regular quest scenario.

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The only thing I can consider a definite advantage to the old system is that you could replay important "questlines" on the same character, whereas now you can only do it once per character.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

The only thing I can consider a definite advantage to the old system is that you could replay important "questlines" on the same character, whereas now you can only do it once per character.

I think being able to replay questlines you already completed would be a neat feature. Its not the thing thats gonna revolutionize gaming but its a decent feature.

[Fahrad Wagner]

Wasn't a fan of scenarios myself, but I liked having an additional option regarding stuff to do. Same with Islands Explorations (which I low key miss).

[Slowpoke is a Gamer]

Scenarios were quick, and most importantly role agnostic.

In the age of 30 minute DPS queues you either need more role agnostic content for them to do, or to just cave and give us a Trust System.

[Makabreska]

Scenarios were quick, and most importantly role agnostic.

In the age of 30 minute DPS queues you either need more role agnostic content for them to do, or to just cave and give us a Trust System.

Ok sure, but that means giving Scenarios meaningful rewards and being direct competition to M+.

[Slowpoke is a Gamer]

Ok sure, but that means giving Scenarios meaningful rewards and being direct competition to M+.

I can solve this problem in two words.



"Valor Points." Or wait is that one back again as some upgrade currency again?

"Justice Points."

[Makabreska]

I can solve this problem in two words.



"Valor Points." Or wait is that one back again as some upgrade currency again?

"Justice Points."

So like, just like in MoP? I don't remember them being all the rage back then.

[Invicta]

icecrown citadel like raid with the jailer as the last boss, then void vs light in 10.0