Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[TheFirstOnes]

I think it's unlikely you're going to get a ton of answers about the group proper. They are definitely being set up to remain the mysterious, veiled force no longer around that things can be attributed to. So you might get stuff like Ulduar, where you learn more about systems they've set up or servants they've left around, but it's not likely you'll learn more about the First Ones themselves.



You say that, but every time there's datamining for cosmetics, there are people in the comments bitching and moaning about them "wasting time" on crap no one cares about instead of balancing X or making classes better, or whatever else they want.

Maybe, but we did learn a LOT of the Titans in Ulduar regardless.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

10.0 needs good ideas from devs, not crossing things out from forums/youtubers wishlist. They did it in SL and results are mixed.

Also housing.

And it doesn't really matter what we prefer, it all depends if bottleneck of early production of 10.0 is delayed as well or not. Doubt it could go as dire as 2024, imo window is something between November '22 and August '23, with more chances for 9.3 closer it will be to August.

Sometimes the "complaining" is very cyclical. New era? complain about expansion, happens almost every time. Onto more important things though Covanents in theory aren't bad but once mixed in with gameplay(I.E abilities) it gets muddy

[Varodoc]

Regardless, given how much Blizzard loves to brag that every new expansion breaks the record sales on Day 1, and given how it's obvious that Day 1 Sales are more profitable than subs (and just look at WoD for the evidence to these facts), I think it is financially better to release 10.0 as soon as possible.

Even if the expansion is a buggy mess, it won't matter. People (not just the whales) will come back to the game, the streamers, most players are addicted, so when they see 10.0 drops they will come back. Blizzard is clearly playing for the Day 1 sales so it makes sense to rush the next expansion out, and you don't need to have studied Economics to figure this out.

Just look at how much Blizzard loves to brag in their Quarterly calls about how the current expansion broke all records on Day 1

So in short Rushing out the new expansion >>>> Trying to fix ShitLands on the scale of "How much is this profitable for Blizzard?".

[TheFirstOnes]

Mf's talk about Blizzard adding pointless systems to WoW, then ask for Player Housing. Pathetic.

[Hitei]

Not that all the cosmetics are agreed to be good, but that everyone wants cosmetics in general. There was definitely lots of annoyance in BfA when Alliance only got recolored horses for mounts, but noone seemed to want mount rewards to go away.
Compare this to something like world content. Players don't really discuss the details of that like they do cosmetics simply because the debate is on even more rudimentary levels like whether world content should be in the game at all.

That's what I'm saying though. Regardless of cosmetics being good or bad, there are people who treat additional customization, mounts, transmog, etc. As a waste of time and something negative, so those people are going to take a focused expansion as being completely lacking in content.

[Nathanyel]

Without the in-flow of new players the game has kinda degraded into "use a speed leveling guide to hit the cap and then spam content with your guild."

Almost as if that's an inevitable effect of players knowing how to level and do other things efficiently, and not actual degradation of gameplay quality.

Must be hard for Blizzard. China's and California's policies couldn't be more different when it comes to progressiveness.

Well, either Blizzard are masters of simultaneously pandering to all of: progressive people, corporate overlords who only want to milk money out of the players, and the totalitarian, culture-restrictive CCP, or people with (even if just partial) right-leaning/conservative views just complain about everything they don't like as if it's the End of the World (of Warcraft)

That's what I'm saying though. Regardless of cosmetics being good or bad, there are people who treat additional customization, mounts, transmog, etc. As a waste of time and something negative, so those people are going to take a focused expansion as being completely lacking in content.

I completely expect 10.0 to bring lots of class customization (form/pet skins, doodads such as tomes for Paladins and other casters etc.) like 9.0 brought new racial customization, and while the majority of players will definitely like this, I don't even want to imagine the 'backlash' from the vocal minority.

[Slowpoke is a Gamer]

If you can't come up with a new feature and more than 3 zones in 2 years, what are 5 more months going to do?

At best you'll come out with 3+ zones, one or two of which are badly-structured, and a new feature(s) that is dogshit at launch. Which is exactly every WoW expansion since Legion

You can come up with them but the problem is creating them and testing them when you're all just chatting over a slack channel and using residential internet instead of company intranet to upload your changes and download others' changes.

I still remember when 14 delayed a patch by 6 months due to Covid they said it would take them, and I'll admit I don't remember the exact number, 8 or so hours to get game updates out to the dev team due to internet problems.

[Dracullus]

In hindsight delaying SL not month, but 6 months would be best decision. People often react even positively for that, cause it shows you want polished game. But once expac started, there is no turning back, people expect regular content updates or leave. Now it's even hard to judge some SL design choices, cause drought affect everything.

[Hitei]

If you can't come up with a new feature and more than 3 zones in 2 years, what are 5 more months going to do?

At best you'll come out with 3+ zones, one or two of which are badly-structured, and a new feature(s) that is dogshit at launch. Which is exactly every WoW expansion since Legion

I always find it funny how people just draw completely arbitrary lines in wow's history. As if MoP wasn't that exact same thing.

[huth]

I always find it funny how people just draw completely arbitrary lines in wow's history. As if MoP wasn't that exact same thing.

Well, there's an important difference: MoP is several more years in the past, so it is easier to view through nostalgia goggles.

[shoc]

I always find it funny how people just draw completely arbitrary lines in wow's history. As if MoP wasn't that exact same thing.

Seeing old content through rose tinted glasses has been a thing since there was such thing as old content.

[TheFirstOnes]

I think you guys are heavily overthinking 10.0’s plot…

[Varodoc]

I always find it funny how people just draw completely arbitrary lines in wow's history. As if MoP wasn't that exact same thing.

So is this the strategy of you fanboys? Drag down every previous expansion so that you can bring up the current (trash) one?

Does it work at least and also have you already gotten your arguments to trash on Shadowlands if and when 10.0 also sucks?

[TheFirstOnes]

You guys do realize 10.0 is likely just Light and Shadow (With some Legion/Titan plots), yeah?

[Hitei]

So is this the strategy of you fanboys? Drag down every previous expansion so that you can bring up the current (trash) one?

Does it work at least and also have you already gotten your arguments to trash on Shadowlands if and when 10.0 also sucks?

Ah yes, because fanboys are known for critiquing the thing they are """fanboying""".

[Varodoc]

Ah yes, because fanboys are known for critiquing the thing they are """fanboying""".

You're fanboying for Shadowlands, so you refuse to acknowledge that Shadowlands sucks and try to bring down everything that came before it to try and bring it up.

Is this not the strategy you are applying?

[Lady Atia]

You're fanboying for Shadowlands, so you refuse to acknowledge that Shadowlands sucks and try to bring down everything that came before it to try and bring it up.

Is this not the strategy you are applying?

Lmao it doesn't "suck". The only problems it currently has are the content droughts, but that's also thanks to their messed up covid schedule. With 9.1.5. Shadowlands is already far better than WoD or Bfa. Is it a Legion/MoP/WotlK? No, but it's still good. Just because you dislike the setting means nothing.

[Vasoka]

You're fanboying for Shadowlands, so you refuse to acknowledge that Shadowlands sucks and try to bring down everything that came before it to try and bring it up.

Is this not the strategy you are applying?

Shadowlands doesn't suck, it's better than both Legion and BfA. I know you think the community revolves around you, but it really doesn't.

With that out of the way:

https://www.wowhead.com/news/finkle-...ialogue-324490

I'm sure we can expect more of this travesty in 10.0, brace yourselves, this clown car isn't going to stop honking anytime soon.

[Hitei]

You're fanboying for Shadowlands, so you refuse to acknowledge that Shadowlands sucks and try to bring down everything that came before it to try and bring it up.

Is this not the strategy you are applying?

No? Just because you want to desperately strawman doesn't mean shit you make up is what I said.

[therumblings]

I don't get the hatred for Shadowlands outside of the ridiculous game killing droughts. Korthia is the same daily content hubs the game has had for years, the dungeon and raid content is as good as always, with the added bonus of not having to grind for AP. If Shadowlands had a content schedule of Legion, I'm sure it would be hated, but not even half as much.