Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[TheFirstOnes]

Oh you realised the Sylvanas Redemption Plan.

I didn't want to believe it...especially through that "leak", since mf's usually cap for life, but...

No. This cannot be. They are actually gonna go full Kerrigan with her! DO NOT GO FULL KERRIGAN, DANUSER! PLEASE!

[Varodoc]

Dramatic much? Everyone knew Sylvanas would be redeemed the moment she hesitated when talking to Manduin.

Blizzard's writing is as subtle as a truck honestly

[NikolaiShade]

I didn't want to believe it...especially through that "leak", since mf's usually cap for life, but...

No. This cannot be. They are actually gonna go full Kerrigan with her! DO NOT GO FULL KERRIGAN, DANUSER! PLEASE!

I wouldn't rule out for Sylvanas to become the new Jailer, she and Bolvar are pretty fit for the job. What really puzzles me is what the Jailer threw at her at the end of Sanctum, we are assuming it was her soul splinter but why should the Jailer return it to her?

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Dramatic much? Everyone knew Sylvanas would be redeemed the moment she hesitated when talking to Manduin.

Blizzard's writing is as subtle as a truck honestly

Tbh until Shadowlands cinematic I had some hope they wanted to write Sylvanas as a crazy manipulative bad guy secretly fighting whatever was pulling the strings (the Jailer) willing to do anything to achieve that goal, you would have an evil character but not a straight cartoonish villain

[Varodoc]

I wouldn't rule out for Sylvanas to become the new Jailer, she and Bolvar are pretty fit for the job. What really puzzles me is what the Jailer threw at her at the end of Sanctum, we are assuming it was her soul splinter but why should the Jailer return it to her?

Because now the Psycho, thanks to her """"""Good""""" soul, can realize all the fucked up shit she has been doing for the last 15 years, including, but not limited to:

- Human experimentation
- The creation and use of the Blight
- The destruction of Gilneas
- The use of Val'kyrs
- The attempt at enslaving Odyn's people
- The bargain with Helya and the Janitor
- The Burning of Teldrassil
- The start of the Fourth War
- The creation of Auschwitz
- The indoctrination of Derek Proudmoore
- Etc. etc. etc.

If she just died she'd get an easy way out. She needs to live, be torn apart by remorse/guilt/disgust at herself, and suffer the wrath of all the people she's ruined.

Killing her would be the easy way out. Why do you think Hitler killed himself once he realized he lost?

In other words, the Janitor is just messing with her psychologically.

[NikolaiShade]

Because now the Psycho, thanks to her """"""Good""""" soul, can realize all the fucked up shit she has been doing for the last 15 years, including, but not limited to:

- Human experimentation
- The creation and use of the Blight
- The destruction of Gilneas
- The use of Val'kyrs
- The attempt at enslaving Odyn's people
- The bargain with Helya and the Janitor
- The Burning of Teldrassil
- The start of the Fourth War
- The creation of Auschwitz
- The indoctrination of Derek Proudmoore
- Etc. etc. etc.

If she just died she'd get an easy way out. She needs to live, be torn apart by remorse/guilt/disgust at herself, and suffer the wrath of all the people she's ruined.

Killing her would be the easy way out. Why do you think Hitler killed himself once he realized he lost?

In other words, the Janitor is just messing with her psychologically.

Pretty sure we forgot some point of that list... busy girl she's been. I fear they want to go the insanity plea route to redeem her and make her forget everything she did all those years, that world be really precious lol.

[Lady Atia]

I didn't want to believe it...especially through that "leak", since mf's usually cap for life, but...

No. This cannot be. They are actually gonna go full Kerrigan with her! DO NOT GO FULL KERRIGAN, DANUSER! PLEASE!

Hahahaha. I already liked Sylvanas' redemption arc, but this makes it even better. Please Danuser, go through with it and bring us our true Warchief back home.

[NikolaiShade]

I didn't want to believe it...especially through that "leak", since mf's usually cap for life, but...

No. This cannot be. They are actually gonna go full Kerrigan with her! DO NOT GO FULL KERRIGAN, DANUSER! PLEASE!

btw which leak are you referring to?

[Lahis]

I wouldn't rule out for Sylvanas to become the new Jailer, she and Bolvar are pretty fit for the job. What really puzzles me is what the Jailer threw at her at the end of Sanctum, we are assuming it was her soul splinter but why should the Jailer return it to her?

If the Eternal Ones are literally unkillable and we need to jail Zovaal again, I can see Sylvanas becoming new Jailer to keep Zovaal locked up in Torghast.

If we can kill Zovaal, there is no need for new Jailer, but we do need a new Arbiter so that is the role Sylvanas will take.

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Hahahaha. I already liked Sylvanas' redemption arc, but this makes it even better. Please Danuser, go through with it and bring us our true Warchief back home.

Sylvanas is not coming back to Azeroth or Horde. Depending on Zovaal's fate, she becomes either new Jailer or Arbiter.

[NikolaiShade]

If the Eternal Ones are literally unkillable and we need to jail Zovaal again, I can see Sylvanas becoming new Jailer to keep Zovaal locked up in Torghast.

If we can kill Zovaal, there is no need for new Jailer, but we do need a new Arbiter so that is the role Sylvanas will take.

I too think it's what's going to happen in the end, a main character sacrificing him/her-self to keep an evil organization or being imprisoned/in check is really cool and not something they already did at least twice......

[Sondrelk]

Best case scenario really is that Sylvanus becomes the new jailer. It keeps her away from Azeroth forever, and also keeps her away from any good characters who eventually die.

All we can do is cross our fingers Blizzard is at least self aware enough to know just how evil they made her.

[TheFirstOnes]

Dramatic much? Everyone knew Sylvanas would be redeemed the moment she hesitated when talking to Manduin.

Blizzard's writing is as subtle as a truck honestly

Dramatic? Bro, no one wants this. I'm fine with the Heroes destroying Zovaal in the end (And not fucking Sylvanas), but still...it's dumb.

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btw which leak are you referring to?

Was that 4Chan thing everyone called BS on, despite the fact most of it seems true atm lol. Talked about Arbiter Sylvanas, Blizzard not knowing what they're doing, and the company just straight up going to shit for the year, all of which happened or are happening, sadly.

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Hahahaha. I already liked Sylvanas' redemption arc, but this makes it even better. Please Danuser, go through with it and bring us our true Warchief back home.

You're evil, and I respect you for it. I'm going to Zereth Mortis, fuck this lol.

[Varodoc]

She'll become the new Janitor.

No perfect punishment for someone who is terrified of Hell, to end up in Hell for the rest of eternity, with no chance to leave it ever.

And finally this garbage character will no longer stain the story with her presence, this took too long

[Sondrelk]

Players have known Blizzard is having internal trouble for a while. And even if they didn't they take it as a given simply because that is what they are like.
Blizzard having internal troubles would have been true regardless of the Lawsuit, and Covid has been an issue for well over a year.

If a leak claiming internal troubles is the only reason to assume it seems real, then really it might as well not have said anything at all.

[TheFirstOnes]

Considering the "soul shattering" plotline they're forcing on her, etc, it's very likely she'll end up as like a new "compassionate" Arbiter or some shit, watching over Oribos and the Maw.

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Players have known Blizzard is having internal trouble for a while. And even if they didn't they take it as a given simply because that is what they are like.
Blizzard having internal troubles would have been true regardless of the Lawsuit, and Covid has been an issue for well over a year.

If a leak claiming internal troubles is the only reason to assume it seems real, then really it might as well not have said anything at all.

I guess, yeah. I just hope Zereth Mortis is big.

[Varodoc]

Oh and by the way Forsaken players, please enjoy your new leader Calia Menethil, sister of Arthas Menethil and Queen of the Light

[Sondrelk]

Considering the "soul shattering" plotline they're forcing on her, etc, it's very likely she'll end up as like a new "compassionate" Arbiter or some shit, watching over Oribos and the Maw.

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I guess, yeah. I just hope Zereth Mortis is big.

Having her as the arbiter would be among the worst options unless it's literally something where she is trapped unable to actually do anything.

Even assuming she is good, she is still not omnipotent, how could she ever actually manage to fairly judge souls like the Arbiter did? Who was after all, a literal machine designed solely to judge souls fairly.

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Oh and by the way Forsaken players, please enjoy your new leader Calia Menethil, sister of Arthas Menethil and Queen of the Light

The Forsaken leadership structure seems to place Voss at the top though.

Though I guess that being said, it also seems to assume players can intuitively understand the subtle differences between Forsaken and Lordaeron undead, which might be where the problem is.

Forsaken and Lordaeron undead have some overlap, but they are not the same.

[NikolaiShade]

Having her as the arbiter would be among the worst options unless it's literally something where she is trapped unable to actually do anything.

Even assuming she is good, she is still not omnipotent, how could she ever actually manage to fairly judge souls like the Arbiter did? Who was after all, a literal machine designed solely to judge souls fairly.

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The Forsaken leadership structure seems to place Voss at the top though.

Though I guess that being said, it also seems to assume players can intuitively understand the subtle differences between Forsaken and Lordaeron undead, which might be where the problem is.

Forsaken and Lordaeron undead have some overlap, but they are not the same.

She will be perfect for the role, she won't judge souls with logic and fairness but with love and forgiveness, because you see she is good now... and reformed...

[Varodoc]

Having her as the arbiter would be among the worst options unless it's literally something where she is trapped unable to actually do anything.

Even assuming she is good, she is still not omnipotent, how could she ever actually manage to fairly judge souls like the Arbiter did? Who was after all, a literal machine designed solely to judge souls fairly.

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The Forsaken leadership structure seems to place Voss at the top though.

Though I guess that being said, it also seems to assume players can intuitively understand the subtle differences between Forsaken and Lordaeron undead, which might be where the problem is.

Forsaken and Lordaeron undead have some overlap, but they are not the same.

Even better, some random Dungeon quest giver with 2 minutes of screentime

What an ugly doomed race, if I were a Forsaken player I'd just race-change honestly.

[Sondrelk]

Even better, some random Dungeon quest giver with 2 minutes of screentime

What an ugly doomed race, if I were a Forsaken player I'd just race-change honestly.

Really? I find that this is the perfect time for more Forsaken stories. This is when the story can finally pivot away from the edgy stuff and into the far more interesting questions of whether they should resettle the Plaguelands, and whether this should be done alongside or in opposition to the living humans who also might want to resettle.

[Teriz]

Hahahaha. I already liked Sylvanas' redemption arc, but this makes it even better. Please Danuser, go through with it and bring us our true Warchief back home.

Please no. The Horde is run by a council now, and frankly that makes WAY more sense for the faction than a Warchief.

Also, I really hope 10.0 isn’t cosmic based. I’m hoping beyond hope that we get Undermine next.