Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[TheFirstOnes]

Corrupted as fuck. In fact: it was a surprise that Eredath was so relatively uncorrupted and that there was such an abundance of wildlife.

Thing is: there's a difference between "corrupted as fuck" and "uniform and uninspired." A whole different world, fel-corrupted or no, is potential enough for a whole xpack; what they gave us was a patch with a hell of a lot of recycled content. That is half-assing.

Yeah, the former prized jewel of the Eredar would TOTALLY be fucked, sure. No. Why would Kil'Jaeden want that? He's fucked for joining the Legion, but even he wants to keep history around. Hell, he also likely kept the city like that cause it reminded him of his former self, as well as Velen.

Also, it's not at all recycled content. It's 3 whole new zones, with different "invasion points" to other worlds, alongside one of WoW's biggest Raids in history. Definitely not half assed whatsoever. Wanna see half assed? Look at 8.3.

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https://www.wowhead.com/news/george-...updates-324531

I'm fucking mad over this.

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Oh no...he said some shit about the Alliance a couple years ago...AND???

EVERYONE'S DONE THAT! IT'S A GAME ABOUT HORDE VS ALLIANCE!!! I EXPECT PEOPLE TO SHIT TALK THE OTHER FACTION! ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE A PART OF A DAMN HORDE ROCKBAND!

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Also, I don't wanna hear the whole "But what he said was bad" shit, cause not only was that ages ago, but the fact people are removing the shit referencing him NOW is kinda desperate.

[Dacia Ultan]

Yeah, the former prized jewel of the Eredar would TOTALLY be fucked, sure. No. Why would Kil'Jaeden want that? He's fucked for joining the Legion, but even he wants to keep history around. Hell, he also likely kept the city like that cause it reminded him of his former self, as well as Velen.

Okay, but Rise of the Horde indicates that Kil'jaeden doesn’t have much respect for his former self. Also: Eredath still has some pretty big holes blown in it.

Also, it's not at all recycled content. It's 3 whole new zones, with different "invasion points" to other worlds, alongside one of WoW's biggest Raids in history. Definitely not half assed whatsoever. Wanna see half assed? Look at 8.3.

"Three whole zones" is supposed to be impressive when it's a whole 'nother world, corrupted or no? Especially when two of said zones are about as distinct as Searing Gorge and Burning Steppes? And talbuks, for fuck sakes.

I mean...yeah; the raid. (Which I didn't get to see, because I picked back up in BfA and ended up tearing through Legion content; but I'll allow it.) Still: all kinds of potential for trippy weird shit even if we're just talking demons; instead, we get a three-zone patch with two of them largely interchangeable. And a fucking deer overpopulation problem.

[TheFirstOnes]

Okay, but Rise of the Horde indicates that Kil'jaeden doesn’t have much respect for his former self. Also: Eredath still has some pretty big holes blown in it.

"Three whole zones" is supposed to be impressive when it's a whole 'nother world, corrupted or no? Especially when two of said zones are about as distinct as Searing Gorge and Burning Steppes? And talbuks, for fuck sakes.

I mean...yeah; the raid. (Which I didn't get to see, because I picked back up in BfA and ended up tearing through Legion content; but I'll allow it.) Still: all kinds of potential for trippy weird shit even if we're just talking demons; instead, we get a three-zone patch with two of them largely interchangeable. And a fucking deer overpopulation problem.

I mean, even if you ignore that, Eredath is still the jewel of the Eredar people, and is the pinnacle of their growth as a race. It's basically a piece of history regardless.

Also, sure? Once again, you act as though Argus is supposed to be full of crazy monuments or some shit, despite the fact that 90% of it's all Fel fucked, and destroyed by the Demons. The Legion also aren't ones to really forge cities either.

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Even then, they did a GREAT job with what they could.

[Nyel]

They did Azshara dirty, and this would make for an actually decent plot. A Titan-empowered Azshara would be such a brilliant villain imo.

After how they depicted her in BfA, I really lost hope for her. They made her look and act like a fool, it would be very unrealistic to give her such a huge presence in the future. That could have worked very well before Eternal Palace and 8.3, but after that... she was my favorite Warcraft character right until the travesty she was part of in BfA.

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Hopefully in 2021 we'll get a november Blizzcon? Maybe possibly?

Guess you mean 2022?

I wouldn't expect any of that, the lawsuit might become more prominent during the next months and right around Blizzcon - depending on the situation / outcome - nothing might be settled. A Blizzcon with live audience would attract protestors, outside and inside. It's too much of a risk for Blizzard.
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Some really want to burn all of the remaining plotlines for WoW in one single expansion, lol.

[TheFirstOnes]

"They did Azshara dirty, and this would make for an actually decent plot. A Titan-empowered Azshara would be such a brilliant villain imo."

How was she done dirty?

[Dracullus]

How she was fool? She had pretty good plan (use us with hearts of Azeroth to open N'zoth prison, destroy him with dagger, win freedom) and even cooperated with Sylvanas to do that. Of course in the end she underestimated us, but that's pretty much every WoW villain.

[Rootsbum]

I hope we get an expansion that sticks to its theme. BfA and SL feels like when the «applause»-sign on a sitcom-set goes off.

«This is where they shall be surprised, gasp NOW!»
Its the small subtle things that gets to me. Makes the world feel more alive.

Like a weird NpC in a remote place just hinting on something weird. Not like now when the «secret NPC» had 10 arrows pointing towards it and blurghs out a spoiler

[Dacia Ultan]

I mean, even if you ignore that, Eredath is still the jewel of the Eredar people, and is the pinnacle of their growth as a race. It's basically a piece of history regardless.

And Kil'jaeden, as written in RotH, would not give a fuck for "jewels" or civilization or history.

Also, sure? Once again, you act as though Argus is supposed to be full of crazy monuments or some shit, despite the fact that 90% of it's all Fel fucked, and destroyed by the Demons. The Legion also aren't ones to really forge cities either.

So Eredath is so precious and sacrosanct that even completely vengeance-driven Kil'jaeden would have standards about it; but also, the planet should be so completely fel-fucked as to justify being nothing but a recycled three-zone patch. Except not too fel-fucked to not still have a deer overpopulation problem. Gotcha.

Even then, they did a GREAT job with what they could.

The music was good. The content was still half-assed. And it being a three-zone patch with talbuks for some reason was not a matter of what they "could" do; it was a deliberate choice.

[TheFirstOnes]

And Kil'jaeden, as written in RotH, would not give a fuck for "jewels" or civilization or history.

So Eredath is so precious and sacrosanct that even completely vengeance-driven Kil'jaeden would have standards about it; but also, the planet should be so completely fel-fucked as to justify being nothing but a recycled three-zone patch. Except not too fel-fucked to not still have a deer overpopulation problem. Gotcha.

The music was good. The content was still half-assed. And it being a three-zone patch with talbuks for some reason was not a matter of what they "could" do; it was a deliberate choice.

Of course he'd have standards. That's why Velen's statue got destroyed. Also, why would he not care about his former capital? The fuck?

As for the Talbuks, you're overlooking the fact that in that very same Zone, there exists Broken Eredar that literally thrive there as either exiles, or slaves.

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Kinda makes me realize: Eredath and Korthia are similar in a way...

[Hitei]

Oh no...he said some shit about the Alliance a couple years ago...AND???

EVERYONE'S DONE THAT! IT'S A GAME ABOUT HORDE VS ALLIANCE!!! I EXPECT PEOPLE TO SHIT TALK THE OTHER FACTION! ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE A PART OF A DAMN HORDE ROCKBAND!.

Pretty big difference between generic shit-talking the other faction and:

"I don't play no fucking homo Alliance either, I don't play no fucking Night Elves or Gnomes. Fucking Orcs and Undead. Fuck the Alliance. Fucking die you fucking emo cock-suckers...

...I can't believe that they gave us fucking Blood Elves. They're not evil they're... you ever go in the Blood Elf city, Silvermoon? It's fucking queer looking, man...

..the undead have a dance, and they do the metal sign and bang their head, play guitar. Yeah. Go fucking cry in a river and tell me how you're gonna slit your wrists you Night Elf faggot."

Not exactly the sort of person you want to have an NPC reference for.

[Dacia Ultan]

Of course he'd have standards. That's why Velen's statue got destroyed. Also, why would he not care about his former capital? The fuck?

"The fuck?" is what one should be asking Kil'jaeden. His characterization in Rise of the Horde is completely vengeance-driven, with no concern for nostalgia.

As for the Talbuks, you're overlooking the fact that in that very same Zone, there exists Broken Eredar that literally thrive there as either exiles, or slaves.

I'm not "overlooking" anything. There being Broken there makes sense; it seems that eredar exposed to fel energy, if they don't allow themselves to be willingly corrupted, mutate into Broken. And, sure, there's precedent for different worlds randomly having the same wildlife; still, something just seems particularly lazy about there being talbuks—which are called that in both places—on both Draenor and Argus. Maybe it's that it was two xpacks back-to-back; maybe it's that a completely different world—even if fel-corrupted—shouldn't have been given such short shrift as to be reduced to a patch with two-and-a-half zones; maybe it was just one more uninspired element in an overall uninspired take; maybe it's a combination of all of the above. Leaning towards that last.

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Eredath's design was okay; I did most of my Argus questing there once it became possible. Krotoran was little more than a TBC!Shadowmoon Valley knockoff, only with talbuks instead of basilisks. I say "Krotoran" because Krokuun and the Antoran Wastes, while technically two different zones, were—again—largely interchangeable.

Kinda makes me realize: Eredath and Korthia are similar in a way...

Maybe; but Korthia's design seems like more thought went into it.

[TheFirstOnes]

Pretty big difference between generic shit-talking the other faction and:


Not exactly the sort of person you want to have an NPC reference for.

I legit hear mf's say worse shit to their FRIENDS in a MW2 lobby

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"Maybe; but Korthia's design seems like more thought went into it."

lol the fuck?

[Dracullus]

"Maybe; but Korthia's design seems like more thought went into it."

lol the fuck?

Well duh? From design perspective Korthia eats Argus on breakfast. Especially gearing feel soo good, even RNG token for 200 gear is offset by drop from specific rares + quests. Collecting game is like 10x bigger than Argus and more varied. Story is longer (that's about 9.1 in general). On fresh alt you can skip to Korthia with one button, Argus required you to do ~50% of story to open invasions on EVERY character. People often complain about small zones, but it creates compacted environment where every important thing is close to each other.

Only problems with Korthia are bland environment (don't have nice spots like Mac'A.. I mean Eredath) and no flying (which was Argus problem as well).

[Makorus]

I legit hear mf's say worse shit to their FRIENDS in a MW2 lobby

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"Maybe; but Korthia's design seems like more thought went into it."

lol the fuck?

Damn, you really used the "You millennials wouldn't even survive 5 minutes in a MW2 lobby >(((" unironically, huh?

You do bigoted shit, you deal with the consequences, simple as that. You are reacting like quite the snowflake.

[Dacia Ultan]

"Maybe; but Korthia's design seems like more thought went into it."

lol the fuck?

Is that how you always respond to being disagreed with? Because that's the second time you've said "the fuck?" in response to me disagreeing with you; just sayin'.

Only problems with Korthia are bland environment (don't have nice spots like Mac'A.. I mean Eredath) and no flying (which was Argus problem as well).

Eredath is pretty enough, but I didn't love it.

You do bigoted shit, you deal with the consequences, simple as that. You are reacting like quite the snowflake.

Oh, shit; I got into it with yet another example of that mindset, didn't I? Now, I need a facepalm emoji; and the board doesn't support those.

[Makorus]

Well duh? From design perspective Korthia eats Argus on breakfast. Especially gearing feel soo good, even RNG token for 200 gear is offset by drop from specific rares + quests. Collecting game is like 10x bigger than Argus and more varied. Story is longer (that's about 9.1 in general). On fresh alt you can skip to Korthia with one button, Argus required you to do ~50% of story to open invasions on EVERY character. People often complain about small zones, but it creates compacted environment where every important thing is close to each other.

Only problems with Korthia are bland environment (don't have nice spots like Mac'A.. I mean Eredath) and no flying (which was Argus problem as well).

Korthia is honestly one of the better patch zones, and I don't even mind not flying so much, because it is small enough where you can pretty much reach the the bottom (without the mount) in like a minute. It's compact, lots of content and goodish rewards (Stuff that affects other zones like the rep tokens for rares and WQs is a great system and I wish they would do stuff like that more often).

[Super Dickmann]

The main problem with the content isn't that it's necessarilly all that poor. All the bitching about Torghast for example even before the changes was laughable in the faces of multiple patch-long entirely RNG dependant leggo grinds in Legion up until the very end. It's the combination of a glacial release schedule and the fact that these problems are now iterative, notwithstanding the lawsuits. Even if the game is 'better' in the abstract sense, the problems with it have been problems for years now and they stand out all the more.

Also, while Korthia is better than the Broken Shore, Mechagon + Nazjatar blow it out of the water. It also badly lags behind Argus' spectacle.

[Sondrelk]

The main problem with the content isn't that it's necessarilly all that poor. All the bitching about Torghast for example even before the changes was laughable in the faces of multiple patch-long entirely RNG dependant leggo grinds in Legion up until the very end. It's the combination of a glacial release schedule and the fact that these problems are now iterative, notwithstanding the lawsuits. Even if the game is 'better' in the abstract sense, the problems with it have been problems for years now and they stand out all the more.

Also, while Korthia is better than the Broken Shore, Mechagon + Nazjatar blow it out of the water. It also badly lags behind Argus' spectacle.

The current content will always seem "terrible" because we are bored of it now. You don't have to think about how bored you were in 7.2 when you had already completed the Mage Tower challenges and you had nothingto do but look at Argus in the sky and wait. But once that is over you can freely look back at the good stuff without the baggage of being bored of it.
This problem is massively amplified by droughts. And if there is one constant with Shadowlands it is that the lack of content is a severe problem.

All the problems of Shadowlands become amplified by the drought. Bad or boring systems stay for far longer than their shelf-life. Story becomes even more boring as the usual slog through predictable turns becomes ruly glacial as the nuggets of quality get further and further apart. Even general fatigue of the expansion and theme as a whole is more problematic than usual when we are currently in what is supposed to be the most exciting hype period for the next expansion, and we are still in 9.1, not even sure what 9.2 will be or even if that will be the final patch or not.

[TheFirstOnes]

Damn, you really used the "You millennials wouldn't even survive 5 minutes in a MW2 lobby >(((" unironically, huh?

You do bigoted shit, you deal with the consequences, simple as that. You are reacting like quite the snowflake.

You seem more upset than me. I simply think this choice is dumb, and makes no sense. Also, never mentioned millennials, bud. Don't project. No reason why mf's should be upset over a guys past, joking thoughts over a faction and its playerbase. He said shit lots of people say regardless. It's such dumb logic.

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Well duh? From design perspective Korthia eats Argus on breakfast. Especially gearing feel soo good, even RNG token for 200 gear is offset by drop from specific rares + quests. Collecting game is like 10x bigger than Argus and more varied. Story is longer (that's about 9.1 in general). On fresh alt you can skip to Korthia with one button, Argus required you to do ~50% of story to open invasions on EVERY character. People often complain about small zones, but it creates compacted environment where every important thing is close to each other.

Only problems with Korthia are bland environment (don't have nice spots like Mac'A.. I mean Eredath) and no flying (which was Argus problem as well).

Yeah, DESIGN wise, sure. I like Korthia much more than Mac'aree in that regard. That's not our debate though.

"Only problems with Korthia are bland environment (don't have nice spots like Mac'A.. I mean Eredath)" That's literally what we're talking about.

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Is that how you always respond to being disagreed with? Because that's the second time you've said "the fuck?" in response to me disagreeing with you; just sayin'.

Eredath is pretty enough, but I didn't love it.

Oh, shit; I got into it with yet another example of that mindset, didn't I? Now, I need a facepalm emoji; and the board doesn't support those.

Do you have a problem with my disagreements? Explain to me why you think Korthia looks better than Eredath. Please. Cause the zone's a forest, with the same Maw skybox as before, and its "City of secrets" is barely a ruined vault at best. Besides, if you want me to elaborate, ask. Don't be condescending about it, please.

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If you want to be dishonest, please do it right. Hell, I didn't even know you existed till now, so don't act like you know me.

[Makorus]

You seem more upset than me. I simply think this choice is dumb, and makes no sense. Also, never mentioned millennials, bud. Don't project. No reason why mf's should be upset over a guys past, joking thoughts over a faction and its playerbase. He said shit lots of people say regardless. It's such dumb logic.

And people who spout shit like that shouldn't be given a platform, and shouldn't be immortalized in a video game.

There's is a difference between "joking thoughts over a faction" and this. If you honestly think that an individual like that should be highlighted in WoW, then sorry, but you might be a Gamer™