1. #9121
    Quote Originally Posted by Hellspawn View Post
    >Azeorth isn't a "titan egg" as fans theorised but one of the life analogues to the death pantheon the first ones put in place to maintain order
    We're told straight up by Magni that Azeroth is a titan. Its no fan theory.

    And how the hell would Magni even take her place?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiivar86 View Post
    And how the hell would Magni even take her place?
    Considering what happened in BfA, wouldn't surprise me if he ended up snorting enough Azerite to equal her power.


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  3. #9123
    Quote Originally Posted by Hellspawn View Post
    Oh look a new zero effort fake leak from 4chan: https://boards.4channel.org/v/thread...ave-a-wow-leak
    >Mage Tower is intended to use FOMO to stop people leaving for FFXIV's new expansion
    >9.2 is not expected to be ready till February 2022
    >This in part is due to Shadowlands being cut dramatically short and 9.2 is the wrap up patch
    >Final content patch is focussed on the Jailor travelling to azeroth and in a reference to Arthas marching on the sunwell has anduin lead his mawsworm from icecrown down through borean tundra and across the sea to kalimdor to head to the heart chamber in silithus
    >Azeorth isn't a "titan egg" as fans theorised but one of the life analogues to the death pantheon the first ones put in place to maintain order
    >The events of legion up to and including the sword stabbing moment was part of Zorvals plan to crack open the heart to consume azeroth and fuse. Becoming a fusion of life and death with "both sides of the scale" which will somehow allow him to rewrite reality ala thanos and the infinity gauntlet
    >Molten Front style zone in Borean Tundra called "The Ossian Redoubt" where the combined forces of the covenants have followed through the breach above Icecrown to hold back the forces of the maw to give you time to combat Zorval
    >Across Kalimdor portals open bringing in chains of domination to blight the land in reference to the old scourge invasions and act like the legion and alliance/horde world quests
    >The worldsoul is broken and Magni takes her place
    >With Zorvals death the arbiter is missing and souls need sorting so a redeemed sylvanas -after the events of her novel- take her place
    >Covenant ranks increased to 120
    >2 legendary's can be equipped
    >Venthyr and Kyrian Allied Races being rushed out but were not on the drawing board till the panic set in.
    Honestly, I like most of this.
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  4. #9124
    Quote Originally Posted by Arafal View Post
    Considering what happened in BfA, wouldn't surprise me if he ended up snorting enough Azerite to equal her power.
    "I need azerite, Champion! I mean, Azeroth's WOONS need it!"

    Also it kind of strains the imagination that somehow the Jailer planned for Sargeras to stab the planet when that was more a desperate move.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheFirstOnes View Post
    I LOVE how ancient the Guardian looks and sounds here. The voice of the things helping him also sound ancient asf, and it's cool.
    My exact thoughts. Despite having plenty of titan and Legion tech exposure, this area design and sounds sound very alien to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hellspawn View Post
    >Venthyr and Kyrian Allied Races ...
    Only bit of this leak that's likely going to happen

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    Fake leak is fake.
    #TeamLegion #UnderEarthofAzerothexpansion plz #Arathor4Alliance #TeamNoBlueHorde

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  8. #9128
    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    Looking at the state of the game, it clearly was.
    NO it wasn't because nobody from the developemnt team was laid off. In facty, at the time of the layoffs it was stated that more resources were being ADDED to the WoW team,

  9. #9129
    Quote Originally Posted by Nyel View Post
    Honestly, I like most of this.
    You just want to be on Azeroth again lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by rainhard View Post
    If 9.2 ends up the last patch and they concentrate their efforts in 10.0 i could see the daily hub being old zones like northrend with maybe zereth mortis and the sepulcher being instanced as maybe part raid part dungeon combination similar to ahn qiraj or ny'alotha.

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    Yeah i agree there this makes so little sense its like arbiter sylvanas but even worse.
    Zereth Mortis is a whole ass zone bruh. Most likely at least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheFirstOnes View Post
    You just want to be on Azeroth again lol

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    Zereth Mortis is a whole ass zone bruh. Most likely at least.
    Zereth mortis could be anything, we literally have no idea what it is.
    It could be a zone filled with diverse creatures and what have you. It could be a color inverted Oribos. It could be a shack floating in space with the pincode needed to make Azerorh into the megazord.

    I assume it will be a zone filled with Devourers, explaining why they exist in the in-between as well as what purpose they serve. But really there is nothing to go on for what Zereth Mortis actually is.
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    Azeroth finale is very likely, but only as 9.3 or 9.2 raid last bosses. Kinda obvious what 9.2's world content will be.

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    Nice, the Survival Guide is up.


  13. #9133
    Quote Originally Posted by TheFirstOnes View Post
    You just want to be on Azeroth again lol

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    Zereth Mortis is a whole ass zone bruh. Most likely at least.
    Yes, I really want to. But I like the stuff with the breaches throughout Azeroth (something I suggested weeks ago). And I like that the heart chamber might be their goal and that Sargeras stabbing Azeroth was the big master plan. As silly as that sounds, I somehow dig it. Sure, there’s idiotic stuff in that leak as well, but the general premise is likeable and plausible, at least for me.
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  14. #9134
    Quote Originally Posted by Dracullus View Post
    Yes, single patch will extend 10.0 two years.
    Yes, SL is done dusted everyone hates it, no one will care about 9.2, it's impossible that 9.2&9.3 could be good, let's follow usual mid-expansion temper tantrum OK I'M BORED BLIZZARD WHERE IS MY PREORDER FOR NEXT ONE.
    Yes, everyone who disagree with you is a shill.

    Let's move to speculations.
    All these "lore bad" "SL bad" people can't even back up their arguments other than "unfun" and when you explain it's no different than old lore they have a meltdown.

  15. #9135
    Quote Originally Posted by ohwell View Post
    All these "lore bad" "SL bad" people can't even back up their arguments other than "unfun" and when you explain it's no different than old lore they have a meltdown.
    If you're purposefully ignoring their reasoning, maybe. Plenty of people have backed up why the lore is terrible, especially in the Lore subforum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheFirstOnes View Post
    You just want to be on Azeroth again lol

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    Zereth Mortis is a whole ass zone bruh. Most likely at least.
    I hope it's with Dungeons

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    Quote Originally Posted by Black Rider View Post
    I hope it's with Dungeons
    Wouldn't count on it. Let's not forget Tazavesh should arrive in M+ and Hc that patch.
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  18. #9138
    Quote Originally Posted by ohwell View Post
    All these "lore bad" "SL bad" people can't even back up their arguments other than "unfun" and when you explain it's no different than old lore they have a meltdown.
    I mean just look up pyromancer for one example of many one of the biggest lore guys for wow on twitch and youtube he pretty much gave up on wow entirely because of the lore and i believe he turned his entire channel and passion into ff 14 instead removing wow related stuff, you can search for him raging for wasting a large part of his life to wow's lore.

    Here is a little tease but the full video is out there.


    Then there is entire huge forum threads online going deep into the issues of wow's lore should be easy to search for, think there is plenty even here on the subforum.

    It's pretty depressing imo as i also used to atleast enjoy the lore but that was a long time ago now, nothing against those that still enjoy it though and i hope it will improve but not with the current writers that's for sure.
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  19. #9139
    Shadowlands is hardly the moment where the plot completely collapsed I would argue. It's crime really is just being kinda boring where Legion was fun in a camp way, and BfA was awful on an entirely new level.

    The plot in WoW has never been great, or even really that good. The most consistently good writing we have gotten out of WoW was during Cata where the plot required no contrivances or leaps of logic to function. The plot just managed to happily chugged along without getting bogged down in trying to tell morally ambigious stories (BfA), breaking down fan favorite characters for the cool factor (MoP), or indeed changing several characters into villains jsut because that is easier than coming up with good reasons for it (TBC).

    The crime of Shadowlands is really just that I really do get the impression noone really cares what is going to happen. The plotline with Uther and condemning Arthas is about the most engaged I am in the plot, and that is really just a side thing despite such a juicy source of pathos.
    The main villain came out of absolutely nowhere in the most blatant way, and the story surrounding Sylvanas is more engaging to players on a meta level of whether Blizzard will redeem her or not, which isnt really interesting for plot reasons, but more so in being a litmus test for whether Blizzard has actually learned from previous failures regarding hastily redeemed characters.

    BfA at least had story players were engaged in for the actual characters. Whether Saurfang would die honorably was not just intriguing for the meta level of writing where we care about the inherent writing quality, but also because it was a narrative hook with a lot of weight. The question wasnt just "Will the writers be willing to let Saurfang acknowledge the Horde being evil?", but further that if this happened, how would it pan out narratively?


    Shadowlands really is just kinda boring. Much of this does definitely fall on the severe drought caused by Covid, but it also does fall on the plot really not beign that engaging. It has moments of quality, I still get shivers when I watch the Bastion cinematic and hear Arthas' last words, or when Uther feels regret over being unable to adhere to his teachings. The quest where you fight Tyrande and get that really good rendition of Nightsong is absolutely stellar in achieveing what it wants.
    However, these moments are few and far between. And worse, these moments are barely linked to the main plot. The main stroy is currently about stopping a big blue man we have no clue about from finding a mystical thing we also have no idea about, which in turn will allow him to enact his dastardly plan to maybe one day actually tell us what his plan entails.

    SL didnt necessarily need to be good, but it needed to be engaging. Legion managed to be engaging because it succsefully managed to ramp up the stakes to absurd levels while still maintaining a core focus on stuff that the players would actually care about. And BfA managed to sustain interest in the narrative through is absolutely atrocious writing for the same reason. Both those expansions focused on stuff that players genuinely care to see. And this is where Shadowlands failed.


    tl;dr: Shadowlands is bad because it is just really, really boring. It has no relatable narrative core that players genuinely want to see through. And while BfA is infinitely worse in the writing department, it at least managed to be interesting, both because it had this narrative core to care about, as well as its writing being bad enough to warrant so bad its good status.
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  20. #9140
    Quote Originally Posted by ParanoiD84 View Post
    I mean just look up pyromancer for one example of many one of the biggest lore guys for wow on twitch and youtube he pretty much gave up on wow entirely because of the lore and i believe he turned his entire channel and passion into ff 14 instead removing wow related stuff, you can search for him raging for wasting a large part of his life to wow's lore.

    Here is a little tease but the full video is out there.


    Then there is entire huge forum threads online going deep into the issues of wow's lore should be easy to search for, think there is plenty even here on the subforum.

    It's pretty depressing imo as i also used to atleast enjoy the lore but that was a long time ago now, nothing against those that still enjoy it though and i hope it will improve but not with the current writers that's for sure.
    Uh, angry Pyromancer is hot. Thank you for this eyecandy.

    On another note: he's completely right.
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