Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Palapop]

People really overthinking the cat.

It could be simply that someone correctly assumed that a frikkin' cat mount would make people swoon and buy it in droves... which it does.

And that's about it.

Finally someone with some clear mind.

Ah and also, the mount is beyond disgusting!

[Luck4]

Tbh, thinking more deeply into it, I feel like a cosmic expansion based on life is probably the most solid guess right now.

Let's think for a moment:

- Every single addition in the store, be it a pet, mount, or transmogs since Shadowlands started IS a nature-related beast with nuances from the Moon, Emerald Dream, and now the Sun.
- Elune talked for the first time.
- Tyrande and the Night Elves are meant to follow a path of renewal.
- Zovaal is after Azeroth's soul, maybe he will succeed somehow and we're gonna need the help from "Lifelands Pantheon" to bring "Azeroth back to life".
- How are we meant to bring Anduin back from his current state?

Meanwhile, which hints did we get from Dragon Isles despite Exile's Reach, that IE quest, and a random Pirate Infinite Dragon?

And worse which hints do we get from a Light-Void expansion other than Ilgynoth whispers and Yrel appearance in the Mag'har recruitment scenario?

LIFELANDS HYPE! But no...

[huth]

Argus is only "the Titan of Death" as a moniker invented by Sargeras. It doesn't hold any significance. For all we know the First Ones ARE the Titans, or at the very least, other World Souls that don't consider themselves part of the Pantheon: I mean, the architecture is very similar.

And yes, Chronicles talks about the "Ordering of the Cosmos" then shows the Cosmology chart we're all referring to: We're meant to infer that's what they meant. They separated the forces & put the veil up between worlds. Just like they did when they created the Elemental planes. The 7 forces thing in the Shadowlands books is too vague to glean much from. There are 6 Cosmic Forces. There were Six Eternal Ones originally, with one outlier. They're not related.

Would be funny if they ended up being to the First Ones what Dwarves, Humans etc. are tot the Titans. Originally just creations that eventually became alive and mostly forgot their origins.

[TheFirstOnes]

Well, we know that the Titans can create life(the Earthen, for instance), so are they truly only a Pantheon of Order/Arcane? Also, we know that the Old Gods were responsible for the Curse of Flesh, does that mean that the Void has a way to create life as well? Are the Old Gods themselves a Void creation or a corrupted one from Life? How about Demons? Are they fel-corrupted entities that originally came from the Lifelands, or are they made that way? Where are the Gardens of Life/Lifelands in all of that?

Blizzard really opened Pandora's (lore) box with this expansion.

You’re overthinking it. You’re really overthinking it.

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Tbh, thinking more deeply into it, I feel like a cosmic expansion based on life is probably the most solid guess right now.

Let's think for a moment:

- Every single addition in the store, be it a pet, mount, or transmogs since Shadowlands started IS a nature-related beast with nuances from the Moon, Emerald Dream, and now the Sun.
- Elune talked for the first time.
- Tyrande and the Night Elves are meant to follow a path of renewal.
- Zovaal is after Azeroth's soul, maybe he will succeed somehow and we're gonna need the help from "Lifelands Pantheon" to bring "Azeroth back to life".
- How are we meant to bring Anduin back from his current state?

Meanwhile, which hints did we get from Dragon Isles despite Exile's Reach, that IE quest, and a random Pirate Infinite Dragon?

And worse which hints do we get from a Light-Void expansion other than Ilgynoth whispers and Yrel appearance in the Mag'har recruitment scenario?

LIFELANDS HYPE! But no...

All of this could just mean it’ll be a part of 9.2

[Gaidax]

All of this could just mean it’ll be a part of 9.2

*Dilapidated iris mad eyes*

The cats are actually the first ones from Zereth Mortis, the makers... what else are makers? Worms from Dune, so clearly 9.2 is a WoW/Dune crossover and the cat is a spoiler for that. Spice 9.2 currency confirmed! Meaning 10.0 is space travel expansion... again.

[huth]

*Dilapidated iris mad eyes*

The cats are actually the first ones from Zereth Mortis, the makers... what else are makers? Worms from Dune, so clearly 9.2 is a WoW/Dune crossover and the cat is a spoiler for that. Spice 9.2 currency confirmed! Meaning 10.0 is space travel expansion... again.

[IMG]

I'm fairly sure they did Dune all the way back in TBC already.

[Sondrelk]

I'm fairly sure they did Dune all the way back in TBC already.

You have not done Dune properly until you have giant sandworms

[TheFirstOnes]

*Dilapidated iris mad eyes*

The cats are actually the first ones from Zereth Mortis, the makers... what else are makers? Worms from Dune, so clearly 9.2 is a WoW/Dune crossover and the cat is a spoiler for that. Spice 9.2 currency confirmed! Meaning 10.0 is space travel expansion... again.

...Huh???

Anyway, I still think 9.2's gonna include the Lifelands, or at least like a zone of it. Not every Cosmic Realm needs its own expac.

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Yep, if its was just a "Cat" then you would be right but main part about it is "Sun" and we got prophecy and hints about it.

1.Sylvanas once again seems to be good.

2.Blood elfs too much relying on Sunwell as drug replacement for magic addiction which was their main point,Garithos was jerk to us so we betrayed Alliance and joined zombies and orcs who much worse than 1 human racist but we sniff mana-wyrms so who gives a fuck, drugs go brrrrrrrrrrr.

3.Sunwell once again would belong to High elfs, Alleria wants it.

/s , with this much my Hopium tank went empty so i gonna wait for 2022 blizzcon.

Cat's have like no affiliation with the Blood Elves, the fuck y'all mean? If anything, this is more in relation to the Lifelands or some shit cause of a couple reasons:

1. Emerald Eyes. This cat has EMERALD Eyes, and guess what the opposite realm of Ardenweald's called: The EMERALD Dream. Oh, and guess what Il'gynoth's stated. "The Vassel of Life disguises treachery, beware the EYES OF GREEN!". This Cat could just be but a native of the Realms of Life. Seems fair enough to me, considering this type of Cat doesn't exist on Azeroth.

2. Fire, and related to the Sun. While An'she is the TAUREN God, and doesn't seem to be affiliated much with Cats (Or at least, not Azeroth), it'd make sense if his influence within the Realms of Life affected the Natives as a whole. Fire Cats would do just fine.

3. ARDENWEALD BEING WITHIN THE THUMBNAIL! That's...literally icing on the cake right there. It's also used in BOTH Bastion and Ardenweald within the Video, AKA the 2 realms of the Shadowlands we've seen (So far) that showcase beautiful trees and woodlands.

4. Ardenweald-ish Saddle: The Saddle looks like a mix between something from Ardenweald, and something Night Elvish. Screams Elune imo.

5. Jewelry + Emerald charms. This can mean 2 things: 1. It's Blood Elf related (Cause Blood Elves also do Jewelry with emerald shit on them). Or 2. It's life related (Elune being full of Emerald "Life" Charms, and beauty, etc).

[Nyel]

Already does. It's just those High Elves call themselves Blood Elves.

Sunwell is in the hands of it's rightful owners.

There was zero reason to bring Kael'thas back in Shadowlands, yet they did. So there's something about to happen with him in the future as much there's something about to happen with Ysera as well. So even if the Sunwell right now is in the hands of it's rightful owners, who knows what a possible return of Kael'thas and Alleria's void obsession can do with it.

[TheFirstOnes]

Oh, and the saddle has like...no connection to the Blood Elves. Not to mention Blood Elves kinda have a Hawk/Bird fetish, regarding mounts lol.

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There was zero reason to bring Kael'thas back in Shadowlands, yet they did. So there's something about to happen with him in the future as much there's something about to happen with Ysera as well. So even if the Sunwell right now is in the hands of it's rightful owners, who knows what a possible return of Kael'thas and Alleria's void obsession can do with it.

There was a clear reason. It was because he's a popular character, and they wanted him to reunite with Vashj again. He can definitely return in a future expac (Hell, I'm counting on it), but his appearance in the Shadowlands doesn't automatically mean anything relating to the next expansion at all.

[Nyel]

...Huh???

Anyway, I still think 9.2's gonna include the Lifelands, or at least like a zone of it. Not every Cosmic Realm needs its own expac.

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Cat's have like no affiliation with the Blood Elves, the fuck y'all mean? If anything, this is more in relation to the Lifelands or some shit cause of a couple reasons:

1. Emerald Eyes. This cat has EMERALD Eyes, and guess what the opposite realm of Ardenweald's called: The EMERALD Dream. Oh, and guess what Il'gynoth's stated. "The Vassel of Life disguises treachery, beware the EYES OF GREEN!". This Cat could just be but a native of the Realms of Life. Seems fair enough to me, considering this type of Cat doesn't exist on Azeroth.

2. Fire, and related to the Sun. While An'she is the TAUREN God, and doesn't seem to be affiliated much with Cats (Or at least, not Azeroth), it'd make sense if his influence within the Realms of Life affected the Natives as a whole. Fire Cats would do just fine.

3. ARDENWEALD BEING WITHIN THE THUMBNAIL! That's...literally icing on the cake right there. It's also used in BOTH Bastion and Ardenweald within the Video, AKA the 2 realms of the Shadowlands we've seen (So far) that showcase beautiful trees and woodlands.

4. Ardenweald-ish Saddle: The Saddle looks like a mix between something from Ardenweald, and something Night Elvish. Screams Elune imo.

5. Jewelry + Emerald charms. This can mean 2 things: 1. It's Blood Elf related (Cause Blood Elves also do Jewelry with emerald shit on them). Or 2. It's life related (Elune being full of Emerald "Life" Charms, and beauty, etc).

I mean you're basing this on an imagination of Lifelands that doesn't exist yet. I'm not saying anything you said doesn't make sense, but we have no clue what Lifelands are, how they look etc. They could be a dreadful waste and still be called Lifelands or Gardens of Life. We simply have no foundation for these guesses, so they're all as good or bad as the next best one.

[TheFirstOnes]

If that's the case, what about Vol'jin? He's still a wildseed, no?

[Nyel]

There was a clear reason. It was because he's a popular character, and they wanted him to reunite with Vashj again. He can definitely return in a future expac (Hell, I'm counting on it), but his appearance in the Shadowlands doesn't automatically mean anything relating to the next expansion at all.

It means as much as everything else that happened or didn't happen in this expansion. My guess is as good as everyone elses. I just find it too obvious to bring him back and bring Vashj back (when Azshara is still around) to have them not play a role in the future.

[TheFirstOnes]

I mean you're basing this on an imagination of Lifelands that doesn't exist yet. I'm not saying anything you said doesn't make sense, but we have no clue what Lifelands are, how they look etc. They could be a dreadful waste and still be called Lifelands or Gardens of Life. We simply have no foundation for these guesses, so they're all as good or bad as the next best one.

Much of what I said is based around the nature of Ardenweald + the Dream, the idea that Elune and the WQ are back together again, the fact that Baine's still in the Shadowlands with absolutely NO development whatsoever, and the fact that Zovaal threatens the balance between Life and Death, so I KINDA expect Death to do the unthinkable and have Life aid them. Also, we have that Dreadlord plot still, which could very well lead into a cool questchain, where the Dreadlord infiltrator reveals herself to Elune and co, and attempts to slay the Moon goddess, leading to the WQ and us saving her + the other Pantheon members. That could lead to Baine meeting with "An'she" at Zereth Mortis, Elune and the WQ teaming up, etc.

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It means as much as everything else that happened or didn't happen in this expansion. My guess is as good as everyone elses. I just find it too obvious to bring him back and bring Vashj back (when Azshara is still around) to have them not play a role in the future.

They'll definitely come back to Azeroth. Hell, I think it so much, it's almost destiny that Kael and Vashj find out that Illidan was the Jailer of Sargeras once they meet with him again in the future.

[plz delete account]

WoW has nothing going on right now except emote removals, lawsuits and some customization/qol coming next week, speculating about the mobs next expansion isn't gonna be much but it's at least something positive.

I wonder if they dropped the Quel'thalas Warfront idea to make a Quel'thalas expansion. Perhaps instead of updating the whole world at once Cata style, they are choosing to do subcontinent expansion updates?

I love you Bjoramier.

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Meanwhile, which hints did we get from Dragon Isles despite Exile's Reach, that IE quest, and a random Pirate Infinite Dragon?

The Obsidian Worldbreaker mount and the Shadowlands cinematic trailer.

And worse which hints do we get from a Light-Void expansion other than Ilgynoth whispers and Yrel appearance in the Mag'har recruitment scenario?

The Battle for Azeroth's cinematic trailer, the cover of Before the Storm and patch 8.3's sanity and insanity bar.

LIFELANDS HYPE! But no...

The Grimoire of the Shadowlands definitely hints at a Lifelands expansion.

There are also hints toward a Titan Homeworld expansion.

...Huh???

Anyway, I still think 9.2's gonna include the Lifelands, or at least like a zone of it. Not every Cosmic Realm needs its own expac.

If we got a Shadowlands expansion, there's no reason why we wouldn't get an Emerald Dream one.

[therumblings]

I love you Bjoramier.

<3

They'll definitely come back to Azeroth. Hell, I think it so much, it's almost destiny that Kael and Vashj find out that Illidan was the Jailer of Sargeras once they meet with him again in the future.

Yeah this, I'm not sure if Blizz will fully resurrect them, but I can definitely see them returning in some form to Azeroth.

[Nyel]

If we got a Shadowlands expansion, there's no reason why we wouldn't get an Emerald Dream one.

They refused to give us an entire expansion for Emerald Nightmare and Argus, so I'm 100% certain that we won't get an expansion that's taking place in the Emerald Dream. We already had a lot of Emerald Dream related content throughout other expansions, there's absolutely no need for that to be an exclusive expansion.

[TheFirstOnes]

The Obsidian Worldbreaker mount and the Shadowlands cinematic trailer.



The Battle for Azeroth's cinematic trailer, the cover of Before the Storm and patch 8.3's sanity and insanity bar.



The Grimoire of the Shadowlands definitely hints at a Lifelands expansion.

There are also hints toward a Titan Homeworld expansion.



If we got a Shadowlands expansion, there's no reason why we wouldn't get an Emerald Dream one.

We only got a Shadowlands Expansion because the LK Plot wasn't done. Hell, I was one of the guys that clearly assumed ahead that Light and Shadow would be AFTER a LK/Death Expansion, especially when you consider the Legion Whispers, as well as the fact that there was no clear Death divinity prior to this expansion, so things felt a little off. Doesn't help that Life and Death weren't yet explored on the cosmic scales of things prior to SL also.

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They refused to give us an entire expansion for Emerald Nightmare and Argus, so I'm 100% certain that we won't get an expansion that's taking place in the Emerald Dream. We already had a lot of Emerald Dream related content throughout other expansions, there's absolutely no need for that to be an exclusive expansion.

This too, actually. MAYBE we'll get a Lifelands expac, but I highly doubt it. For the moment, Zovaal appears to be the big threat to Life and Death here, hell I daresay he's the creator of the Drust magics. Would make sense tbh.

[Hellspawn]

We only got a Shadowlands Expansion because the LK Plot wasn't done. Hell, I was one of the guys that clearly assumed ahead that Light and Shadow would be AFTER a LK/Death Expansion, especially when you consider the Legion Whispers, as well as the fact that there was no clear Death divinity prior to this expansion, so things felt a little off. Doesn't help that Life and Death weren't yet explored on the cosmic scales of things prior to SL also.

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This too, actually. MAYBE we'll get a Lifelands expac, but I highly doubt it. For the moment, Zovaal appears to be the big threat to Life and Death here, hell I daresay he's the creator of the Drust magics. Would make sense tbh.

Zovaal is a threat to everything, he wants to unmake all, not just life and death.
The great cycle is of course between life and death and unlike other opposing cosmic powers they have a connection like that.
Naturally, life seems like the logical next aspect to explore, maybe even in the same expansion but I don't think it will happen anymore.
We only got one patch left probably and they already have some much "story ground" to explore that including life just seems too much. And there I have not even included that the art team would need to do an entirely new kit of assets for the life realm...
So... if we get to the life realm it seems more likely that we do that in a new expansion and the best moment for that is after Shadowlands.
Personally, I don't want to go there, I would like that we stay on Azeroth and go there only in a patch if at all.