Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[therumblings]

When was it ever good, honestly?

It seemed to fluctuate between good, meh and shit, up until around Legion. Legion was definitely the last time there was any genuinely good narrative in my opinion. After that the main narrative just seemed like they were choosing to tell the worst story possible for as many people as possible. Mainly with Sylvanas, but she is hardly the only thing wrong with the narrative.

I disagree. In BfA players cared, which was why it was so aggravating to see the story run itself into the ground like that.
What Sylvanas would do was at least intriguing since the characters involved were ones players wanted to see do interesting stuff if nothing else.

I would agree with that in the sense that over the course of BFA it ran itself into the ground, so by the end of the expansion, all investment in the story and characters were mostly dead.

[GR8GODZILLAGOD]

I disagree. In BfA players cared, which was why it was so aggravating to see the story run itself into the ground like that.
What Sylvanas would do was at least intriguing since the characters involved were ones players wanted to see do interesting stuff if nothing else.

I would add Sylvanas’ unclear motivation wasn’t as infuriating at the start of BfA when it wasn’t dragged out.

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[Hitei]

I would add Sylvanas’ unclear motivation wasn’t as infuriating at the start of BfA when it wasn’t dragged out.

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Warcraft III

WC3's story was definitely not any better.

[GR8GODZILLAGOD]

WC3's story was definitely not any better.

Hard disagree there. WC3’s story had consistent characters and logical progression. I can’t say the same for many of WoW’s stories.

[Makabreska]

Hard disagree there. WC3’s story had consistent characters and logical progression. I can’t say the same for many of WoW’s stories.

Well, they had it easier back then. A final game in a trilogy that wasn't an ongoing MMORPG that had to take into account more and more characters and story baggage each year while also thinking about future content.

[StillMcfuu]

Dungeon design isn't as bad as people make it out to be really, the biggest problem by far is that mythic plus influences the design of the dungeons, which to be totally fair to blizzard, makes logical sense when planning to add that feature. It just becomes problematic and damages the dungeon experience when it's tailored around M+. But then you have stuff like Tazavesh, which is just fantastic. As for zone design? It's a toss up. I've never had an issue navigating WoW terrain, but that's just a me thing. World quests are 100% a downgrade from Legion/BFA though.

I dont mean navigation for zone design, more the overall aesthetic, and how the story weaves through it. I'd say only Ardenweald and Venthyr area are actually good. And by good I mean no where near BFA zone quality, they are both about Val'Sharah quality. Where during legion it was everyone's most hated zone, thats now "good" for SL.

I also dont really get your point, yes m+ is destroying dungeon design, but you argue that as if dungeon design isn't bad? It's the driving reason behind the drop in quality.
I honestly don't see any good in the dungeons right now, the very best SL dungeons aren't better than the worst of previous expansions.

[GR8GODZILLAGOD]

Well, they had it easier back then. A final game in a trilogy that wasn't an ongoing MMORPG that had to take into account more and more characters and story baggage each year while also thinking about future content.

That's certainly a reason, but it's not an excuse. It's more challenging, sure, but a good writer can make it work or at the very least, not have it be as bad as it is now where it's like they're not even trying to stay consistent.

[Azxza]

Well, they had it easier back then. A final game in a trilogy that wasn't an ongoing MMORPG that had to take into account more and more characters and story baggage each year while also thinking about future content.

It simply comes down to talent. The WoW team lacks the talent to pull off a good story in an MMO like the FFXIV and SWTOR teams can

[Makabreska]

I also dont really get your point, yes m+ is destroying dungeon design, but you argue that as if dungeon design isn't bad? It's the driving reason behind the drop in quality.
I honestly don't see any good in the dungeons right now, the very best SL dungeons aren't better than the worst of previous expansions.

I don't see how dungeon design been bad in this and past expansions. What is wrong with it?

[Aeluron Lightsong]

The two dungeons I'm not a fan of is Plaguefall and the new one(Tazvash or w/e is tuned a little too much).

[Dracullus]

I don't see how dungeon design been bad in this and past expansions. What is wrong with it?

Patch drag so long that people already bitch about raids and dungeons xD. And some people wonder why it's so hard to pick useful feedback, forums are filled with calling every single piece of content "trash", no matter how good or bad it is.

[Azxza]

forums are filled with calling every single piece of content "trash"

Then that means there's a big problem and the WoW team needs to seriously look at the quality of the content they put out

[therumblings]

Then that means there's a big problem and the WoW team needs to seriously look at the quality of the content they put out

If you're going to try and be productive, at least put forth some arguments like I have, as to why something is good or bad, and don't just call things "trash" without elaborating and adding your "" at the end.

[StillMcfuu]

I don't see how dungeon design been bad in this and past expansions. What is wrong with it?

Over emphasis on m+, dungeons aren't unique, just multi path designs, little mob difference, generic packs everywhere, race race race, skip this skip that, boring open areas, a lot of dungeons are just instanced versions of world areas. They've been dumbed down, lack exploration, lack depth, they aren't difficult, it's only about beating a timer.

[Seasz]

And PvP

Lmao not when PvP is by far the best received since MoP

[therumblings]

Lmao not when PvP is by far the best received since MoP

I don't pvp much but pvp is always considered to be the "worst state it's ever been" constantly, so I'm unsure.

[Dracullus]

Then that means there's a big problem and the WoW team needs to seriously look at the quality of the content they put out

Yes, what a genius idea! Blizzard and every gaming company should rewrite their whole games every time forums are filled with posts calling their content "trash". Let's ignore people who like it, they would spam forums as well if they truly like it, RIGHT? Who cares about sales.

[Azxza]

Lmao not when PvP is by far the best received since MoP

By who?

PvP this entire expansion has been a one shot fest dictated entirely by who has more ilvl.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Over emphasis on m+, dungeons aren't unique, just multi path designs, little mob difference, generic packs everywhere, race race race, skip this skip that, boring open areas, a lot of dungeons are just instanced versions of world areas. They've been dumbed down, lack exploration, lack depth, they aren't difficult, it's only about beating a timer.

M+ is not a bad thing. It makes the dungeons used instead of leaving them in the dust the second you finish heroic dungeons. Who cares if they are instanced areas of the world areas, thats not a bad thing at all. "Generic packs everywhere" A lot of what you say is just dumb shit without elaborating.

[therumblings]

By who?

PvP this entire expansion has been a one shot fest dictated entirely by who has more ilvl.

This is what I've heard from the pvp community as well, probably because it's not like Legion where it was more equal.