Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

Not as bad as your pathological need to turn everything into a "Blizz is bad" argument.

Oh please, I praise these morons all the time whenever they pull off good decisions to high heavens.

Almost as weak as deeming 9.2 and entirety of 10.x as a failure due to one vague tweet.

Well, we'll see!

[SunspotAnims]

Does anyone else know that everything is systems is such a weak arguement. It is pretty obvious what people are talking about when they mean "Systems".

"Bad because system" is also a weak argument.

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

"Bad because system" is also a weak argument.

Correct, but right now the current status of their System Design is not about creating fun engaging systems to interact with its' about retention and repetitiveness while utilizing the same old tired strategy of "UI Based System Design of click one square and then wait for resources and click another square once you've filled the first square" instead of having the System be interactable within the Game World or in any shape or form not remove immersion from the player.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

The most Anduin did was get Saurfang to betray the Horde after Genn telling him they were 3 weeks from losing entirely: Honestly one of the most evil things I've seen in this game.

Except again he didn't even do that he just let him go and went "you could do something".

[SunspotAnims]

Correct, but right now the current status of their System Design is not about creating fun engaging systems to interact with its' about retention and repetitiveness while utilizing the same old tired strategy of "UI Based System Design of click one square and then wait for resources and click another square once you've filled the first square" instead of having the System be interactable within the Game World or in any shape or form not remove immersion from the player.

I was being generous with my interpretation of your original point. A less generous interpretation would be "a guy on Twitter said he's doing something, he has the word "systems" in his bio, game is dead," which is either a display of a supreme lack of critical thinking or an unwillingness to discuss to the topic in good faith to begin with. Or both.

Either way, you're extrapolating "systems man bad" alllll the way to "10.0 bad".

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

I was being generous with my interpretation of your original point. A less generous interpretation would be "a guy on Twitter said he's doing something, he has the word "systems" in his bio, game is dead," which is either a display of a supreme lack of critical thinking or an unwillingness to discuss to the topic in good faith to begin with. Or both.

Either way, you're extrapolating "systems man bad" alllll the way to "10.0 bad".

Well, you're also being very antagonistic and aggressive. If the people on the Defense side wanted to at least appear normal they would at least be able to counter arguement without attacking the character of the person posting.

It's a shame that people behave like this these days.

Literally dismissing my contextual reply by literally doing a character assassination, bravo.

[Makabreska]

Well, you're also being very antagonistic and aggressive. If the people on the Defense side wanted to at least appear normal they would at least be able to counter arguement without attacking the character of the person posting.

It's a shame that people behave like this these days.

Literally dismissing my contextual reply by literally doing a character assassination, bravo.

Poor guy. Hysterically shitting on a game at every opportunity and getting upset when people call him out. But hey, nothing new. Every now and then we got these new accounts doing same thing (which makes me think they belong to the same tiny group of people).

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

Poor guy. Hysterically shitting on a game at every opportunity and getting upset when people call him out. But hey, nothing new. Every now and then we got these new accounts doing same thing (which makes me think they belong to the same tiny group of people).

There's a difference being called out and going straight for the mentally ill arguement though.

That's all I'm saying.

[Alga]

There's a difference being called out and going straight for the mentally ill arguement though.

Oh god a post count Andy

No he is just right. Must be the Rolleyes-Emoji which turns people into stupids.

[SunspotAnims]

Well, you're also being very antagonistic and aggressive. If the people on the Defense side wanted to at least appear normal they would at least be able to counter arguement without attacking the character of the person posting.

It's a shame that people behave like this these days.

Literally dismissing my contextual reply by literally doing a character assassination, bravo.

Har, I wasn't attacking you're character. I was attacking this post:

https://twitter.com/JeffAHamilton/st...60251261210625

That's a wrap folks, see you in 11.0.

I mean, I'm sorry it hurts you so bad that I called it bad faith bait, but I don't have a better way to describe it.

[Makabreska]

There's a difference being called out and going straight for the mentally ill arguement though.

Oh god a post count Andy

And then, when called out, they begin to overreact, creating imaginary insults in an attempt to dodge counter arguments.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Poor guy. Hysterically shitting on a game at every opportunity and getting upset when people call him out. But hey, nothing new. Every now and then we got these new accounts doing same thing (which makes me think they belong to the same tiny group of people).

Sounds super depressing constantly shitting on games all day every day. Inb4 someone thinks I'm being passive aggressive. No I'm not,



bashing a game is different(Not at you maka) then criticizing it.

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

Har, I wasn't attacking you're character. I was attacking this post:



I mean, I'm sorry it hurts you so bad that I called it bad faith bait, but I don't have a better way to describe it.

You literally went back to the original post instead of replying to what I posted in response to what you quoted. But, okay.

[Makabreska]

Sounds super depressing constantly shitting on games all day every day. Inb4 someone thinks I'm being passive aggressive. No I'm not

Ye, poor people. They hate the game so much, but somehow can't stop themselves from talking about it daily. It is really interesting how most notorious WoW haters here have that in common. Normally a person would just recognize this is not healthy any more and would abandon the source of frustration

[Lady Atia]

It ruined Dungeons and structured every dungeon to be made based around it. This has lead to every dungeon feeling the same and also be structured in this samey corridor to corridor way with large packs of trash that are unfortunately annoying to deal with.

It created an opportunity for Blizzard Entertainment to create "Megadungeons", a concept solely made to appeal to the people who loathe Mythic+ and which takes up development time on other content or more dungeons and all it is done for is to appease the crowd while being a shield for criticism of the lack of dungeons post-launch.

It also lead to the end of players feeling like they could gear up through dungeons and move on to raids and instead are stuck farming the same dungeons for the next 2 years every season which consists of 3 seasons. Gearing basically became superceded by Mythic+ due to how much more efficient gearing with Mythic+ is.

In many ways, there's another problem too with the fact that people will each season replace their gear with the exact same gear pieces from the previous season and this is not a intuitive or engaging way to keep players engaged and Blizzard has had multiple expansions now to recognize this problem and figure out a solution whether that is different loot pools for each season or other solutions.

This wasn't a very observed problem in 9.0 due to the overpowered nature of PVP Gear in Season 1. But we're now back to Mythic+ reigning supreme as the best gearing solution for the game and its' format has no safeguards for toxicity and nor does it have any anti-griefing measures to stop people from wasting their lifetime doing keys.

Mythic+'s existence exists because it was the easiest way for Blizzard Entertainment to generate playtime engagement metrics as it is highly rewarding and also highly likely to lead to failure which mean repeating it. It is also extremely repetitive and hence addictive since it drops loot and has scaling which increases ilvl of the loot.

Challenge Modes were the best version of the system. But Blizzard couldn't let down their hands and had to iterate on it which led to the creation of the abomination that is Mythic+.

Lmao, Mega Dungeons aren't there for the croud who hates M+. Why would you even think that if Mega Dungeons gets split up for M+ later down an Expansion? They are there to give longer 5 man content and a somewhat similiar experience to old 10 man raids like Karazhan or Zul Aman, with a hardmode or timerun which gives an unique Mount (which will hopefully no longer be available this time once the Expansion is over since it's bound to the achievement this time, not a drop). They are made for people who love LONG and HARD dungeons, but they are still made with M+ in mind. I won't answer to your other points as they are also just wrong, so I'll leave it there.

Edit: Oh wait, actually for your "different season, same lootpool" problem I have an easy solution: make seasonal m+ elite sets similiar to PvP which can only be earned during a season, with a certain raiting. I wouldn't even mind if they use the same models as for pvp.

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

Lmao, Mega Dungeons aren't there for the croud who hates M+. Why would you even think that if Mega Dungeons gets split up for M+ later down an Expansion?

Edit: Oh wait, actually for your "different season, same lootpool" problem I have an easy solution: make seasonal m+ elite sets similiar to PvP which can only be earned during a season, with a certain raiting. I wouldn't even mind if they use the same models as for pvp.

Because the entire original reason for Megadungeons were as told by the Developers to look at doing dungeons that were akin to the old school "Blackrock Depths and Blackrock Spire" and that was an inspiration alongside the Ulduar Hardmodes. Besides just because they are split up into two M+'s it keeps the illusion of extra content in the next Season when it is actually just a Megadungeon split into two. Megadungeons as a concept is predicated on being non structured and appealing to "old school" crowds while also making it easier to disagree on additional content for patches by making it seem as a bigger piece of content than it actually is in comparison to Wing-based dungeons for Patches. Taza'vesh was a complete dud due to its ilvl problems, for example and has relevancy issues in the current Season that will only be fixed with Mythic+ next season.

Also, I agree with you on the Mythic+ Sets. Having unique rewards for Mythic+ should be an important step going forward for Mythic+ and I think alongside the title/Elite cosmetic sets would be a cool reward.


Yes, I admit that Mythic+ won't be removed and we won't return to Challenge Modes. But, at least make it better per season than the current reward loop. Obviously I would prefer if gear and loot was not part of the Mythic+ loop as it really screws with everything else in the game. But, again seems unlikely.

[Raetary]

This thread is becoming very depressing.

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

Well, there's still gonna be positives in 9.2 obviously. I'm still excited about the narrative and lore and I mean we're getting back Tier Sets even if they're a potentially bit quirky.

Again, I still have my passions with Retail WoW and I still love the collectionist gameplay loop that Retail has since it has such a large body of work that spans decades from which to collect from.

[TomatoBisque]

This thread is becoming very depressing.

the low point of this thread was when the lawsuit was breaking and the weeks after and there was unironically people hoping ion and danuser would get accusations against them so they'd get fired to make the game good again

that was peak egocentric worldview

[Dracullus]

This thread is becoming very depressing.

Within week or two we will have biggest datamining fiesta since SL Alpha, so cheer up.