Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Cherry123]

so today we got nothing and I was right about December 7th

[therumblings]

so today we got nothing and I was right about December 7th

It's not even 9 AM in California yet, calm down.

[Sondrelk]

Found it:


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Ohh man, that title opens up so many possibilities. Seems to me like a big part of this expansion will be a world revamp.

[Seasz]

• It’s the innermost of Azeroth, her real heart. The heart chamber was just placed very far atop on what is hidden deep down.

I'm afraid this is called Uldorus.

[Cosmic Janitor]

Also lol at Zovaal planning on Sargeras stabbing the planet. Like there was ANY way to predict that.

While true, let's be fair, the whole retroactive shoehorning in of Zofail and Sylvie's motivational change towards some convoluted death pact was pretty much on the same level.

[Sondrelk]

I'm afraid this is called Uldorus.

Surely the heart chamber would be Uldorus to go along with Antorus for the Argus heart chamber.
I mean, surely it cannot be more complicated than that?

[Ersula]

The last sigil, the Arbiter's sigil, needs to be used at Icecrown Citadel. That's where the last titan facility is hidden

While I think this is cool & would address why Mawsworn were attacking Icecrown at all & tie into the huge tunnel under ICC, it reveals much dumber ideas: Why would the First Ones would build this on a world soul? If the First Ones even existed after the veil was put up between the planes of life & death. And why would the Covenant Leaders hide Frostmorne on the one planet it was more dangerous to hide than keep it in the Shadowlands? Sargeras being part of Zovaal's master plan is so stupid: Zovaal can't stab anything, he's about 1/1000th the size of Sargeras' sword.

Most importantly. Zereth Mortis isn't an anagram of Mortal Azeroth. Mortis means mortal but Zareth isn't related to Azeroth at all besides the most inane numerology.

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Ohh man, that title opens up so many possibilities. Seems to me like a big part of this expansion will be a world revamp.

Fake because "Return of the Heroes" has bad mouthfeel. A clunky title.

[Sondrelk]

While true, let's be fair, the whole retroactive shoehorning in of Zofail and Sylvie's motivational change towards some convoluted death pact was pretty much on the same level.

At least that plan just relied on Sylvanas going around killing people and generally being a bitch.
Sargeras stabbing Azeroth has so many factors that could go horribly, horribly wrong.

Though then again, if Sylvanas was wrong about the champions defeating N'zoth then her plan would fail regardless.

[username993720]

Realm of Life is nothing else than Azeroth as it exists right now. It's not an own plane of existence like the Shadowlands.

What? Of course it is.

[*]Zovaal indeed was planning far along and make Sargeras stab the planet. Sargeras was never meant to kill Azeroth as that’s impossible until the five sigils unlock Zereth Mortis and the Sepulcher. As soon as he used all five sigils, Zovaal plans to ram down the Sword of Sargeras to kill Azeroth.

Why would Sargeras cooperate with Zovaal's plans? Unless he was mislead, like the preface: infiltration indicates.

[Ersula]

What? Of course it is.

There's no evidence the large circles are their own locations. Or at the very least, Physical locations a mortal body could visit. That's why the Shadowlands & the "death" realm are different circles. IE: Why would there be a living world, a death world AND a SUPER LIFE world?

You should instead think of any territory these cosmic forces control as their "lands". The Shadowlands belongs to death as much as the Emerald Dream belongs to Life, as well as those Void Corrupted worlds? they belong to Void. Fel corrupted planets? Those belong to Chaos. Etc.

[Vasoka]

How can you still enjoy a game made majorly by sexual harassers who have objectified women both in-game and irl? An honest question here.

Acceleration?

[Kiivar86]

Also lol at Zovaal planning on Sargeras stabbing the planet. Like there was ANY way to predict that.

Yeah that in this "leak" and others makes me laugh. His stabbing the planet was a last ditch thing when he was failing, how the fuck do you even plan for that?

Also yes why would there be a separate titan facility under Icecrown (which, I should remind everyone, we've been under. There's some Nerubian ruins under there.) Titan facilities are relatively spread out, not that close.

Also also, why would covenant sigils from the Shadowlands, the realms of death, correspond to Azeroth's heart? It makes zero sense.

And why would Azeroth's heart be in a place called a Sepulcher? A sepulcher is little more than a crypt.

[Cosmic Janitor]

Though then again, if Sylvanas was wrong about the champions defeating N'zoth then her plan would fail regardless.

That is the issue here. Along with the various other convenient occurences recently. While the guy is obviously full of shit, it's not like it's completely out there.

[huth]

• Zereth Mortis is not another plane or zone. It’s the innermost of Azeroth, her real heart. The heart chamber was just placed very far atop on what is hidden deep down.
• The five Covenant sigils are needed to unlock Zereth Mortis where the Sepulcher lies. The Sepulcher is the real heart of Azeroth.
• Zereth Mortis is a wordplay which translates to “mortal Azeroth”. As long as the sigils are not used, Azeroth cannot die.
• Zovaal wants to kill Azeroth, which is an epitome of the “Realm of Life”. Everything thrives and blossoms on Azeroth. The Emerald Dream is just supporting this. Realm of Life is nothing else than Azeroth as it exists right now. It's not an own plane of existence like the Shadowlands.
• Zovaal indeed was planning far along and make Sargeras stab the planet. Sargeras was never meant to kill Azeroth as that’s impossible until the five sigils unlock Zereth Mortis and the Sepulcher. As soon as he used all five sigils, Zovaal plans to ram down the Sword of Sargeras to kill Azeroth.
• To use the Sigils Zovaal has to insert them into five titan facilities that are spread around Azeroth.
• The heroes of Azeroth and the Covenants return to Azeroth. A necropolis will be the new main hub, similar to the Vindicaar from Legion.
• The last sigil, the Arbiter's sigil, needs to be used at Icecrown Citadel. That's where the last titan facility is hidden.

Ok, since i'm bored:
1. Unverified claim.
2. You don't say. We've known that since 9.1 released except for the part where you just repeat 1.
3. Unverified claim. Directly contradicts BfA.
4. What's it with you and just making stuff up?
5. See above.
6. You mean the sigils Zovaal already used at the end of SoD to open a portal to who-knows-where? Also, why Titan facilities? What do the Titans have to do with this?
7. And we're back to making things up.
8. You mean the sigil that, again, he already used? And that we discovered was his to begin with? Also, do you mean "below ICC" because the building is a rather recent addition?


I think we found somebody who completely missed 9.1.

[Cosmic Janitor]

There's no evidence the large circles are their own locations. Or at the very least, Physical locations a mortal body could visit. That's why the Shadowlands & the "death" realm are different circles. IE: Why would there be a living world, a death world AND a SUPER LIFE world?

While I see that point, the whole concept of life in the shadowlands makes no sense. The flora and fauny literally has a death and birthing generational cycle, not to mention some autum/winter life-cycle place that is actually a super-life zone as well. Blizzard wasted alot of potential in making the shadowlands more "otherworldy" in that regard. I'm not sure what a life-lands world would be though, because we already have supder thick woods and stuff, I don't see how Blizzard could make this different in any noticable way..

[Sondrelk]

While I see that point, the whole concept of life in the shadowlands makes no sense. The flora and fauny literally has a death and birthing generational cycle, not to mention some autum/winter life-cycle place that is actually a super-life zone as well. Blizzard wasted alot of potential in making the shadowlands more "otherworldy" in that regard. I'm not sure what a life-lands world would be though, because we already have supder thick woods and stuff, I don't see how Blizzard could make this different in any noticable way..

There certainly is going to be a problem when Blizzard eventually has to flesh out the gardens of life.
Hooefully we never really get to that point though, and the Emerald Dream and maybe a zone where souls are made are the only things we get to know for sure.

[Ersula]

While I see that point, the whole concept of life in the shadowlands makes no sense. The flora and fauny literally has a death and birthing generational cycle, not to mention some autum/winter life-cycle place that is actually a super-life zone as well. Blizzard wasted alot of potential in making the shadowlands more "otherworldy" in that regard. I'm not sure what a life-lands world would be though, because we already have supder thick woods and stuff, I don't see how Blizzard could make this different in any noticable way..

That's why it's not a complete existence. A "pure" deathworld would be inconceivable. The Shadowlands is "controlled" by the Death Forces, but there is still the fleeting presence of the other forces: Shadow & Light in Revendreth, The Nightmare in the Emerald Dream, Azeroth is full of representation by all the cosmic forces. etc.

This is evidence that the Titans were telling the Truth when they said the "Ordered" the universe, in an attempt to separate these forces the best they could. Likely long after the First Ones existed.

[Sondrelk]

And hey, would you look at that. Page 600. This thread has really does up massively since the ending of Shadowlands became a talking point.

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

Consumer rights begone! Only end the expansion so we can move to the next expansion that ends on x.2 patch!

*Heavy sarcasm*

[Ersula]

Consumer rights begone! Only end the expansion so we can move to the next expansion that ends on x.2 patch!

If the players are going to ignore quality, by all means tell Blizzard to just have 40 boss raids with no mechanics. Just a long list of loot piniatas. Apparently thats what people want.