1. #11881
    Quote Originally Posted by Felis igneus View Post
    While I see that point, the whole concept of life in the shadowlands makes no sense. The flora and fauny literally has a death and birthing generational cycle, not to mention some autum/winter life-cycle place that is actually a super-life zone as well. Blizzard wasted alot of potential in making the shadowlands more "otherworldy" in that regard. I'm not sure what a life-lands world would be though, because we already have supder thick woods and stuff, I don't see how Blizzard could make this different in any noticable way..
    There certainly is going to be a problem when Blizzard eventually has to flesh out the gardens of life.
    Hooefully we never really get to that point though, and the Emerald Dream and maybe a zone where souls are made are the only things we get to know for sure.
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  2. #11882
    Quote Originally Posted by Felis igneus View Post
    While I see that point, the whole concept of life in the shadowlands makes no sense. The flora and fauny literally has a death and birthing generational cycle, not to mention some autum/winter life-cycle place that is actually a super-life zone as well. Blizzard wasted alot of potential in making the shadowlands more "otherworldy" in that regard. I'm not sure what a life-lands world would be though, because we already have supder thick woods and stuff, I don't see how Blizzard could make this different in any noticable way..
    That's why it's not a complete existence. A "pure" deathworld would be inconceivable. The Shadowlands is "controlled" by the Death Forces, but there is still the fleeting presence of the other forces: Shadow & Light in Revendreth, The Nightmare in the Emerald Dream, Azeroth is full of representation by all the cosmic forces. etc.

    This is evidence that the Titans were telling the Truth when they said the "Ordered" the universe, in an attempt to separate these forces the best they could. Likely long after the First Ones existed.
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    And hey, would you look at that. Page 600. This thread has really does up massively since the ending of Shadowlands became a talking point.
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    Consumer rights begone! Only end the expansion so we can move to the next expansion that ends on x.2 patch!

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  5. #11885
    Quote Originally Posted by Foreign Exchange Ztudent View Post
    Consumer rights begone! Only end the expansion so we can move to the next expansion that ends on x.2 patch!
    If the players are going to ignore quality, by all means tell Blizzard to just have 40 boss raids with no mechanics. Just a long list of loot piniatas. Apparently thats what people want.

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    The train is ready to start, everyone has their ticket and is properly seated?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valysar View Post
    The train is ready to start, everyone has their ticket and is properly seated?
    train to nowhere?

  8. #11888
    Quote Originally Posted by Valysar View Post
    The train is ready to start, everyone has their ticket and is properly seated?
    Obviously, I live for the hypetrain. Bring me that hype fresh off the presses.
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  9. #11889
    Quote Originally Posted by Sondrelk View Post
    Obviously, I live for the hypetrain. Bring me that hype fresh off the presses.
    was hoping for a huge 9.2 info dump today.. Is there still hope?

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  11. #11891
    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    That's why it's not a complete existence. A "pure" deathworld would be inconceivable.
    I think a pure death world would have been easily possible. They could have just played up the vampiric/parasitic angle of the flora and fauna and just scrapped the cute baby animals that clearly are part of families. The local flora and fauna comes into being when anima converges and soul fragments or something like that are present, from there it's just a fight to get anima from others to sustain oneself.

    I personally would have also gone way further with the idea of a machine of death and would have inserted a place where the arbiter sorts souls and takes a first amount of the anima and afterwards each covenant has it's own way to strip the rest of the anima off the soul, before they get the chance to earn an anima formed body over the eons. Kyrians would be more soul sheperds/collectors while stupid machines (like the arbiter) would do the actual ferrying (to circumvent the kyrians being absolute morons), etc. Ardenweald should have been an actual autum/winter kingdom where life is not abundant, but rests in preparation for it's rebirth.

    The shadowlands lore, if you want to, is actually fixable without handwaiving and flimsy excuses.
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  12. #11892
    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    If the players are going to ignore quality, by all means tell Blizzard to just have 40 boss raids with no mechanics. Just a long list of loot piniatas. Apparently thats what people want.
    Could you imagine if Blizzard released a raid or dungeon that worked kinda like the old megadungeon like BlackRock depths, or Maraudon?
    Just a giant labyrinth of bosses with the most simple if mechanics, rarely more than one, and generally just a giant loot avalanche?
    M+ having to be split up into 3 or 4 parts just to prevent dungeons that take 1-2 hours?

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    Quote Originally Posted by crusadernero View Post
    was hoping for a huge 9.2 info dump today.. Is there still hope?
    Obviously. The hype never dies.

    Could be we only get an announcement for the actual 9.2 announcement stream though.
    That being said it's almost definitely going to be something happening this week.
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    We'll obviously have a video before, it's the last patch of SL. Maybe today who knows, they usually love Tuesday

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sondrelk View Post
    Could you imagine if Blizzard released a raid or dungeon that worked kinda like the old megadungeon like BlackRock depths, or Maraudon?
    Just a giant labyrinth of bosses with the most simple if mechanics, rarely more than one, and generally just a giant loot avalanche?
    M+ having to be split up into 3 or 4 parts just to prevent dungeons that take 1-2 hours?

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    Obviously. The hype never dies.

    Could be we only get an announcement for the actual 9.2 announcement stream though.
    That being said it's almost definitely going to be something happening this week.
    Yeah, im having hopes for this week!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lahis View Post
    Both are still from same plane of reality. Shadowlands is literally different dimension.
    People keep bringing lore as this huge obstacle for Cov AR's, but how many times do we have to tell them that this lore is new and developing and Blizz can easily and logically explain them joining us? It all just seems like a huge bias against entirety of SL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    People keep bringing lore as this huge obstacle for Cov AR's, but how many times do we have to tell them that this lore is new and developing and Blizz can easily and logically explain them joining us? It all just seems like a huge bias against entirety of SL.
    I think it makes sense that they belong in the Shadowlands only but there is a very big bias against Shadowlands. Like somehow the idea of an alternate realm disconnects you(like really....Outland the Twisting Nether didn't bother you).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeluron Lightsong View Post
    I think it makes sense that they belong in the Shadowlands only but there is a very big bias against Shadowlands. Like somehow the idea of an alternate realm disconnects you(like really....Outland the Twisting Nether didn't bother you).
    It's rather about SL being perceived as worst xpac ever, it's entire package. We had same thing with WoD. People were throwing fits when they heard about evil Yrel in Maghar quest line, cuz "LOL WOD".
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  18. #11898
    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    People keep bringing lore as this huge obstacle for Cov AR's, but how many times do we have to tell them that this lore is new and developing and Blizz can easily and logically explain them joining us? It all just seems like a huge bias against entirety of SL.
    There are just different degrees of adjustments required.
    "Oh look, a few blood elves deserted after juicing on void magic, guess we could take them in"

    vs.

    "Oh look, the dead decided to come back from the afterlife and decided to help us fight our battles, sift through our shit and sweep our streets"
    You are welcome, Metzen. I hope you won't fuck up my underground expansion idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GR8GODZILLAGOD View Post
    Death of the author is a thing.

    Let's be real, a lot of artists, authors, etc. through history were probably pieces of shit by today's standards. Whether someone continues to enjoy or support their work is up to them. I'm personally not supporting Blizzard in part due to the lawsuit.
    Ye, do people know Lovecraft was an actual racist?
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  20. #11900
    People be saying that Shadowlands writing sucks but then mention that it would be epic if 9.2 was in Northrend, in the same sentence

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