Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Nyel]

In an interview, Blizzard reveals that we will fight the Pantheon of Death prototype. What if the plot twist is the Jailer discovers that everything he is doing is part of the plan of the First Ones? They designed him for the sole purpose of being the final Challenge between the mortal races and their absolute free will.

And then? What’s the point?

[RobertMugabe]

as we all know blizzcon was canceled...
so probably I can post it...

that aged well

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Wrongo. This is more like a fusion of the two Sylvanases, not the "Good Sylvanas" just suddenly reappearing. It's a lot like when Varian was two people and eventually merged back together, only this with much more severe changes, and possibly still being undead on top.

Correct, she may still act snarkily and patronize us. Thats my expectation and no I'm not gonna rage if its different. I already said my feelings about Shadowlands.

[Ersula]

Correct, she may still act snarkily and patronize us. Thats my expectation and no I'm not gonna rage if its different. I already said my feelings about Shadowlands.

Actually they specified that the soul remnant taken by Frostmorne just locks you into your emotional state when you died. That's why Uther & Sylvanas were both feeling particularly hurt & vengeful. Because people were rightfully confused by how responsible she was for her actions if she wasn't in her right mind. While also still sidestepping any questions about how necessary her actions were considering no one besides the Jailer was proporting to fix the machine of Death

It still feels like the result of too many conflicting ideas. Like why were the Night Elf Dark Rangers given the same cosmetic affectations when they weren't killed by Frostmorne? They were raised with Valkyr like all post-third-war forsaken. If they still have red eyes shouldn't Sylvanas still have red eyes??

[Varodoc]

I think players should be allowed to choose where they wish to chill out. You were able to do this in early WoW, but again for some reason Blizzard started trying to coral players into one spot whether they liked it or not. For some reason, GW2 has been doing the same thing as of late. It used to be that you could pick whichever of the 6 cities you wanted to chill out at, but then with Icebrood they've been moving all of the utilities to the Eye of the North, artificially trying to make the playerbase move over there whether they like it or not.

You can chill out wherever you want.

I often chill out in Telogrus Rift when I'm waiting for a long queue or just chatting with people to pass some time.

This doesn't change the fact that, Canonically, since Stormwind and Orgrimmar are the faction capitals, the main storylines and services will be given there... It just kind of makes sense.

[KainneAbsolute]

What does fighting the Jailer have anything to do with "free will"?

It seems the main topic of the expansion: choice/purpose and free will.

- The attendants talk about the purpose.
- The covenants judge based on the actions and decisions of the mortals. Despite their good deeds, in some cases, their memories are taken away.
- Uther, Sylvanas, Arthas, and Anduin's souls were cut. Their decisions were their own, or perhaps half-souls influenced. We talk about domination magic, the same magic it was applied against the Jailer.
- Sylvanas tried to convince Anduin to do not to let the Jailer control him. Sylvanas indicates they are not free, but she did not provide more details.
- Elune valued that Tyrande took her own decision between vengeance and renewal. Thus, despite the hatred, Tyrande was able to choose.
- Sylvanas was convinced by the Jailer the system was flawed. Then, too late, she noticed she was another pawn.

According to Sylvanas, "every decision is made for us," we need a new system where we "control of our fate." Even the Jailer says that every soul has "its purpose." Maybe the Jailer has no agency in his decision. Perhaps only mortals are the only ones who can choose their fate.

In addition, it is a common topic in WoW that the "hope resides in mortal hands." Mortals do not need Guardians, Aspects, Titans...and now, Covenants/First ones.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

It seems the main topic of the expansion: choice/purpose and free will.

- The attendants talk about the purpose.
- The covenants judge based on the actions and decisions of the mortals. Despite their good deeds, in some cases, their memories are taken away.
- Uther, Sylvanas, Arthas, and Anduin's souls were cut. Their decisions were their own, or perhaps half-souls influenced. We talk about domination magic, the same magic it was applied against the Jailer.
- Sylvanas tried to convince Anduin to do not to let the Jailer control him. Sylvanas indicates they are not free, but she did not provide more details.
- Elune valued that Tyrande took her own decision between vengeance and renewal. Thus, despite the hatred, Tyrande was able to choose.
- Sylvanas was convinced by the Jailer the system was flawed. Then, too late, she noticed she was another pawn.

According to Sylvanas, "every decision is made for us," we need a new system where we "control of our fate." Even the Jailer says that every soul has "its purpose." Maybe the Jailer has no agency in his decision. Perhaps only mortals are the only ones who can choose their fate.

In addition, it is a common topic in WoW that the "hope resides in mortal hands." Mortals do not need Guardians, Aspects, Titans...and now, Covenants/First ones.

Sylvanas didn't say "Don't let the Jailer control you."

When in fact she basically put him in the spot to be controlled but thats Zovaal's way, everyone is a drone and serves him. Its just Sylvanas is so deluded thinking she is on top of things when infact she is just another pawn. The Shadowlands system( haha) is indeed flawed but very obviously Zovaal only told a different story.

Uther and Sylvanas's souls were cut but not Arthas but really does it matter? He was made to serve nonetheless.

[Furytofthedragons]

Surprised they were forward with how we are returning to Azeroth.

See you at the Dragon Isles.

[Val the Moofia Boss]

See you at the Dragon Isles.

Honestly, I couldn't care less about the dragon plotline in WoW. I guess maybe it'd be cool to see the Black Dragonflight repopulate somehow because I'm invested in those two characters but otherwise that's it.

A boss fight with Galakrond would be cool (or some other humongous dragon pulled out of thin air because why not, the writers don't respect the lore anyways), especially if he was the size of a mountain and you could walk on top of him and inside of him. GW2 did that with Kralkatorik at the end of season 4.

[Syegfryed]

and people though it would be a 9.3 with the shitshow this expansion was, in both terms of lore and gameplay. in all and all, it was best to just finish this crap storyline that nobody cares, and almost no one want more time with sylvanus and TRY to start fresh.

But, is hard for then to learn their lesson, but i expect/want, something to do with dragons, is about time.

[Ersula]

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Sepulcher_of_Knowledge
So how many places will Dansuer name "the Sepulcher" in the ninth expansion? 5? 6?

[s_bushido]

and people though it would be a 9.3 with the shitshow this expansion was, in both terms of lore and gameplay

Too bad there was no back-patting for all the people absolutely convinced they were going to skip 8.3 because "BFA bad!" too. Guess 1 out of 2 isn't bad.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Too bad there was no back-patting for all the people absolutely convinced they were going to skip 8.3 because "BFA bad!" too. Guess 1 out of 2 isn't bad.

I don't like there's no 9.3 but..... I'm not gonna rant about it daily. If what I understand about 10.0 is true then I can sorta be ok with it.


TLDR: Things aren't near as bad as the gaming internet deems it.

[s_bushido]

TLDR: Things aren't near as bad as the gaming internet deems it.

Days like this remind me why I never go to the WoW forums anymore. Nothing but assholes tripping over themselves to make sure we know they were the first ones to declare how shitty the game is...while still paying their $15 a month.

[Teriz]

Honestly, I couldn't care less about the dragon plotline in WoW. I guess maybe it'd be cool to see the Black Dragonflight repopulate somehow because I'm invested in those two characters but otherwise that's it.

A boss fight with Galakrond would be cool (or some other humongous dragon pulled out of thin air because why not, the writers don't respect the lore anyways), especially if he was the size of a mountain and you could walk on top of him and inside of him. GW2 did that with Kralkatorik at the end of season 4.

Though it’s been proven fake, I’m still hoping for the Awakening expansion with a remade Azeroth, Mechanic class and airships.

[Kereberus]

So will we get a 9.2.5 though?

[Syegfryed]

Too bad there was no back-patting for all the people absolutely convinced they were going to skip 8.3 because "BFA bad!" too. Guess 1 out of 2 isn't bad.

they should have skipped 8.3, completely bullshit that we deal with a fully free old god in one single patch

[Luck4]

And let me ask again:

WHERE THE HELL IS ION?

I mean he did this interview, but not one word from Ion in the video? This feels super weird.

Ion not appearing is a plus in my book. I'm not a fan of Danuser but that's only because he's doesn't care about the Alliance and overhyped Sylvanas, other than that he's kinda ok, not Metzen ofc, but Ion... geez, that guy doesn't respect the community, and that's why most people started to hate him. Hopefully, Jeremy and Danuser will keep announcing things.

[huth]

So will we get a 9.2.5 though?

Possible. It'll be more like 9.1.5, though. QoL changes and "evergreen" content like Timewalking.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

, it's mostly the legal scandals doing that (and the fact that Blizzard downsized their teams).

What team downsizing info has come out nothing comes to mind beyond lawsuit stuff?