Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Makabreska]

We actually already saw him in a 9.0 cinematic.

Well, duh? We all talk here about in-game appearance.

[Dracullus]

So Torghast get similar update to 9.1 and Arthas will show up? List of stuff they could talk in reveal video instead of, well, water, keeps growing. I have 3 disappointments with this patch (no solo challenge - although there is new layer of Torghast, no new dungeon, still no Chromie time 50-60), but rest looks really solid.

[Zantera]

I think Arthas was a pretty interesting character and seeing his fall and becoming the lich king was interesting, but by the time we saw him again in Wotlk I felt he was just pretty generic bad guy who would show up, mock us, disappear and I feel like the hype around Wotlk-Arthas is a bit exaggerated. I don't really expect much if he shows up again but I feel like it's one of those "you're damned if you do, damned if you don't" situations. If Arthas doesn't make an appearance at all in Shadowlands I think a lot of people will be upset over that, if they do use him then there will be people upset over how it's done (either that he's redeemed or not redeemed, or whatever else).

[Civciv]

That’s a very low bar though, lol. Guess Sylvie will head us directly in the next expansion then! All hail the mighty lich kween.

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By the way, what’s up with all these Azerite effects someone mentioned a few pages ago?

Jailer attacks directly at Azeroth during the fight so I can see why.

[Raetary]

That’s a very low bar though, lol.

Of course it is, how else am i supposed to enjoy this mess?

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https://twitter.com/MrGMYT/status/1461524467021135879

Sounds like Pelagos becomes Arbiter before the raid.

[draugril]

Of course it is, how else am i supposed to enjoy this mess?

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https://twitter.com/MrGMYT/status/1461524467021135879

Sounds like Pelagos becomes Arbiter before the raid.

This has echoes of Yrel suddenly becoming the leader of the Draenei.

[Sondrelk]

This has echoes of Yrel suddenly becoming the leader of the Draenei.

That made infinitely more sense than Pelagos becoming the Arbiter. In the case of the Draenei their leadership was mostly dead or turned traitor, and once Velen died abd made Yrel leader I really don't see why the rest of the Draenei wouldnt accept it.

And of course, Yrel didn't seem to become the actual leader until after we left, before that she was just the one leading various expeditions and generally being the Lin between the Alliance Hero and the Draenei.

[Valysar]

I recently did everything we have to do in the Path of Ascension, so Pelagos is my new best friend

[Dhomeli]

This has echoes of Yrel suddenly becoming the leader of the Draenei.

At least Yrel followed Velen around and he gave her his Naaru sigil thing. This seems even more out of nowhere. (It’s a very low bar, but still.)

Honestly Sylvanas becoming the arbiter would have made more sense, and I was dreading that. Lol

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Odd that the 9.2 story is really shaping up to be like the Eternals movie story.

Celestials created the Eternals, and tasked them to nurture life on Earth.
First Ones created Eternal Ones, and tasked them to nurture souls in the Shadowlands.

I mean that just goes back to the Titans creating the keepers to nurture life on Azeroth, wow already did it first.(baring comics)

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So the Wowhead story dropped and.... that's a lot of conjecture based on like three strings of text. But reads like the plot of Endwalker so it's probably legit.

In what way are they similar?

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

So... when the Valkyr said "only someone whos seen light & darkness should oversee life & death" they meant being trans? Yet, being the Arbiter means turning into a giant woman if the new animations mean anything: Way to turn your first trans character into a detransitioning story: I had no expectations from Blizzard & yet I am still left disappointed.

What did I just wake up to, oh god.

Why is it so hard to treat LGBTQIA++ with respect these days? Blizzard please.


Also I still don't believe in whatever nonsense about Zovaal winning. I've been down this road before, never forget the initial N'zoth PTR where it stated blankly that N'zoth would go for the Soul. I don't believe in this nonsense. Nuh uh, not going to have my heart broken again.

[Alga]

What did I just wake up to, oh god.

Why is it so hard to treat LGBTQIA++ with respect these days? Blizzard please.

Expect you people turn it into this topic, while we just have one frame of voice lines . But I support this choice just for all those unstable neckie tears.

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

Expect you people turn it into this topic, while we just have one voice frame. But I support this choice just for all those unstable neckie tears.

I love how I have no idea what your frame of mind is. But, cool!

Have fun with that. I'm also not "starting" anything. I'm just finding it hilarious how they can't treat the people they want to virtue signal for with respect at all. Then again they couldn't figure out Pelagos's pronouns properly and needed feedback for it. So I guess I should've expected this in the first place.

[Alga]

I love how I have no idea what your frame of mind is. But, cool!

Have fun with that. I'm also not "starting" anything. I'm just finding it hilarious how they can't treat the people they want to virtue signal for with respect at all. Then again they couldn't figure out Pelagos's pronouns properly and needed feedback for it. So I guess I should've expected this in the first place.

I mean yeah people loathing Pelagos existing from the beginning, now calling out on this, with out knowing the full picture so it can get political, very cool, ye.

[draugril]

That made infinitely more sense than Pelagos becoming the Arbiter. In the case of the Draenei their leadership was mostly dead or turned traitor, and once Velen died abd made Yrel leader I really don't see why the rest of the Draenei wouldnt accept it.

And of course, Yrel didn't seem to become the actual leader until after we left, before that she was just the one leading various expeditions and generally being the Lin between the Alliance Hero and the Draenei.

You can turn any character into anything with enough time and development. That's the joy of storytelling. WoW seems to have forgotten this and simply moves characters from role to role, setpiece to setpiece, forgetting to show us all the stuff that happens in between. It's like reading a wikipedia summary of a novel instead of actually reading it. Yes, you get the general plot points in sequence, but you didn't really experience the story.

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

Honestly as always they should've not let us datamine the Jailor fight because now when the Jailor loses after seeing his abilities and Journal people are going to be furious.

Again, I am not going to fall for this a second time. I do not need to see a stern Ion Hazzikostas telling me that heroes always win. Fuck that, I'm not doing this again.

[draugril]

At least Yrel followed Velen around and he gave her his Naaru sigil thing. This seems even more out of nowhere. (It’s a very low bar, but still.)

Honestly Sylvanas becoming the arbiter would have made more sense, and I was dreading that. Lol

Unfortunately true. At least Yrel's trajectory was set. It's like we only got Act 1 and Act 3 with Yrel, whereas Pelagos will be the prologue that just happens to mention he exists and Act 3 with him as the central character.

[Hitei]

At least Yrel followed Velen around and he gave her his Naaru sigil thing. This seems even more out of nowhere. (It’s a very low bar, but still.)

Honestly Sylvanas becoming the arbiter would have made more sense, and I was dreading that. Lol

Sylvanas becoming the arbiter makes no sense at all. Pelagos isn't being chosen because he is the most qualified, everything appears to be suggesting that they simply need a host for the arbiter's will and Pelagos is simply the one willing to volunteer.

[draugril]

Honestly as always they should've not let us datamine the Jailor fight because now when the Jailor loses after seeing his abilities and Journal people are going to be furious.

Honestly, outside of our entertainment, I don't see the value in the PTR with modern WoW. Or WoW's early years, honestly - they've never taken player feedback into account. I have to assume that it's a glorified stress test of each build to ensure stability and whatever other metrics they can get out of that, if not simply tradition. And they don't care about the story enough to hold back the content until it's live to avoid spoilers.

[Hitei]

Honestly, outside of our entertainment, I don't see the value in the PTR with modern WoW. Or WoW's early years, honestly - they've never taken player feedback into account. I have to assume that it's a glorified stress test of each build to ensure stability and whatever other metrics they can get out of that, if not simply tradition. And they don't care about the story enough to hold back the content until it's live to avoid spoilers.

They constantly take player feedback into account and make adjustments. God this is such a retarded sentiment, please don't claim shit like this if you can't be bothered to even read the front page of MMO-C, where they outline exactly what changes and adjustments get made with every build.