Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Relapses]

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Do you even know how PTR in league works?
They announce the champion and put it on the PTR. You dont datamine there some insane spoilers 3 months ahead. In what world is this the same as wows ptr?

They serve the same functional purpose: To test changes being made to the fucking game. Everything that's different can be attributed to the minor detail that League and WoW are entirely different genres.

[draugril]

Playing and seeing data is literarly feedback tho

True. It isn't subjective feedback, though. Data can tell you if a system works and if players are using it. It can't tell you if they're having fun or enjoying themselves while engaging with those systems. After a while, after years of this kind of development, you start to lose the forest for the trees. Whereas "player engagement" may have been a good indicator of what content was "fun" at one point, they're not the same thing. Thus, they started to pursue that metric of "player engagement" regardless of whether or not the game was fun. It has become needlessly drawn out and manipulative to inflate that metric.

As Goohart's Law goes, "When a measure becomes a target, it ceases to be a good measure." I couldn't sum up the developmental difficulties of modern WoW better if I tried.

[Relapses]

I love the fact that the only time you see Relapses is when he wants to defend his favorite billion dollar company.

I do love the fact that he uses League of Legends which again is used for marketing purposes as well. No one actively plays the PBE unless they are idiots. It is mostly used to showcase new skins and content additions which what a surprise is marketing.

Again, unpaid labor as QA testers has been one of the dumbest things about the Video Game industry for a long time. The fact that Blizzard and Riot Games do not direct any attention to make PTR testing directioned by the developers for what they want tested should tell you everything about it.

But then again people are idiots.

Imagine being this cynical and thinking you're enlightened. Lay off the Asmongold.

[huth]

Maybe you are confused or misread, nowhere i wrote "no other game has a public test realm". Like the person you arguing doesnt exist
My statment is still this one, if you missed it out or misread:

From what i remember, Anarchy Online had pretty much the exact same setup back when i played that, so you're simply wrong.

[Relapses]

Maybe you are confused or misread, nowhere i wrote "no other game has a public test realm". Like the person you arguing doesnt exist
My statment is still this one, if you missed it out or misread:

Yeah, how dare developers let players test changes being made to the game? Like, what the fuck is the point of being critical of something that has no downsides and at the very worst gives the people making the game an idea of how changes will be received before making them?

[huth]

Blizzard doesnt want to listen to big written out ideological feedback, is not a secret nor a new thing.

Of course they don't want crap like that. It's worthless. Though i don't think you actually meant "ideological".

[Grimbold21]

I love the fact that the only time you see Relapses is when he wants to defend his favorite billion dollar company.

I do love the fact that he uses League of Legends which again is used for marketing purposes as well. No one actively plays the PBE unless they are idiots. It is mostly used to showcase new skins and content additions which what a surprise is marketing.

When you're comfortably confident of the role you've taken up, then you have leave to say what you wish of other people.

You have a contrarian or critical opinion of the game? You have clearly wasted too much of your time listening to the likes of Asmongold, Preach, Bellular or anyone else supposedly making bank on "trashing" Blizzard/WoW

[huth]

Gotta need more than your memories, im afraid

So do you. Just claiming nobody else does it doesn't make it true.

[draugril]

Blizzard doesnt want to listen to big written out ideological feedback, is not a secret nor a new thing. They are not interested in that. Cue in "we acknowledge people dont like covenants but we did it anyway" from ions mouth.

And this is the entirity of wow btw. like it or not, this is not a new thing. Hence why they are doing the PR "we are sorry" tour where they say they want to change that

Preaching to the choir.

[huth]

Yes clearly the enlightened individuals in this thread were right when it comes to issues like azerite armor or covenants. Meanwhile blizzard corrected now twice according to the "crap and worthless" feedback in 2 expansions after they failed, which they admitted

Does this make blizzard worthless by proxy, btw?

That still doesn't make ideological feedback in any way useful. I don't care whether the system fits in your worldview. Only whether it works, and i'd disagree that Covenants didn't.

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

Man it would be weird if there was a Council that was made for feedback gathering, almost as if PTRs purpose is not about gathering feedback and it is all about marketing. Hmm, how surprising.

[huth]

No it doesnt, that how not an argument works. You have the burden of prove to if you claim something exists. You dont need to prove the absence of evidence
I will not engage in this maybe another person that has the patience that talks to adult can explain this to you

You got a few details wrong there. You made a positive claim, so you have the burden of proof. I can challenge your claim without proof as long as you don't provide any.

[draugril]

That still doesn't make ideological feedback in any way useful.

"This is fun."
"This is not fun."

These are both subjective "ideological" examples of feedback. And they are the two most important pieces of feedback to which a video game entertainment developer should be listening. Neither can be determined by data or metrics.

[Lakrin]

I don't think players are going to remember him. He was in a few quest chains in Bastion and his relevancy drops to near 0% after that unless you choose Kyrian. He isn't exactly memorable. So far this seems to be a "We can't use Sylvanas or the fans will kill us, pick someone else, quick!" choice.

Interesting enough, this is exactly why I don't think it's going to actually be Pelagos, I think this is all a red herring.

[Relapses]

Man it would be weird if there was a Council that was made for feedback gathering, almost as if PTRs purpose is not about gathering feedback and it is all about marketing. Hmm, how surprising.

You've already made up your mind about what the PTR is used for... why would anybody try to prove your cynicism wrong? You don't want your viewpoint challenged, you just want happy little updoots from other equally cynical people so you can feel better about your negative opinion of Blizzard.

[Grimbold21]

You've already made up your mind about what the PTR is used for... why would anybody try to prove your cynicism wrong? You don't want your viewpoint challenged, you just want happy little updoots from other equally cynical people so you can feel better about your negative opinion of Blizzard.

So.... like yourself?

[The Stormbringer]

You can't redeem this sylvanas since she's a completely different entity if lore on souls as shown by Bolvar from wrath up until the short story is anything to go by. By forcing the soul into her body, zovaal basically killed the banshee entity since the soul is also a unique person.

Or the two halves fused together to create someone completely brand new. Part Banshee, part Elf.

[Relapses]

So.... like yourself?

Lmfao, if you think I post on this forum for "happy little updoots," I'm convinced you haven't ever read one of my posts.

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

You've already made up your mind about what the PTR is used for... why would anybody try to prove your cynicism wrong? You don't want your viewpoint challenged, you just want happy little updoots from other equally cynical people so you can feel better about your negative opinion of Blizzard.

Why are you here again, this thread was so peaceful without your presence. You have no other purpose than to assume that everyone who are anti-Blizzard are literally 100% anti-Blizzard except I'm literally one of the biggest shills for more Microtransaction and more monetization in World of Warcraft. I literally want the business side to be run better and more properly to monetize all the people who still play WoW.

It's just really odd to me how you try so hard to see everyone who's against your views as hostiles that need to be called out for beheading. It's really weird.

[The Stormbringer]

Jesus Christ people, can we please stop bickering and talk about the new stuff and speculation? Like this thread is supposed to be about?