Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Raetary]

So the whole Arbiter thing made me wonder: Why didn't they just build a new Arbiter? Either when the old one broke or after the whole Zovaal thing is taken care of? They did it before. What's stopping them now?

They created the bot by using Zovaals anima.

Since pelagos becomes arbiter before the raid, imma assume that his anima is a necessity for that process and we are not gonna get it.
So we pick someone else to put in that position instead.

[Sondrelk]

They created the bot by using Zovaals anima.

Since pelagos becomes arbiter before the raid, imma assume that his anima is a necessity for that process and we are not gonna get it.
So we pick someone else to put in that position instead.

I believe the explanation given is that the core that Zovaal reclaimed is the thing that gives the Arbiter the ability to actually judge souls. Furthermore I have to wonder whether it is also the actual sigil, in which case we do remake it before Zereth Mortis seeing as it is a plot point that we need to remake it before we can enter, and indeed the Primus has been hard at work doing just that since 9.1 ended.

[GR8GODZILLAGOD]

They created the bot by using Zovaals anima.

Since pelagos becomes arbiter before the raid, imma assume that his anima is a necessity for that process and we are not gonna get it.
So we pick someone else to put in that position instead.

What was stopping them before the 9.1 raid when they still had Zovaal's core?

[huth]

Well, do we need an Arbiter? The Shadowlands seems to've been artificially created after Zovaal got betrayed by his brethren after he got struck by the Dark (? Who?) and his kingdom fell to ruin (The Maw). Again we have no idea what the state of the Warcraft Universe will be like until after the Jailor Cinematic. Obviously the whole Pelagos thing is confusing and indicates that Shadowlands will still exist (which is extremely odd due to the fact that the Shadowlands literally is just a afterlife for which your anima is being ripened for picking later on to feed the Eternal Cycle). Said Dark Force could be.. The Outside Force of the Universe whatever that is and no its' not Void.

What? Where are you getting all that stuff from? There's definitely hints that the Maw was once a different place, though not that it was the Jailer's. If anything, the expectation would be that he originally stood in the Arbiter's place, since he was doing that very job. His 'rebellion' also definitely wasn't before the Shadowlands, he's part of that construct.

And of course they'd want a new arbiter. Bastion et al are still vastly better than getting shoved into the Maw. It's not like people wouldn't die without one.

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What was stopping them before the 9.1 raid when they still had Zovaal's core?

Not wanting to mess with it to avoid Zovaal getting his hands on it, i'd imagine. As well as having more pressing matters on their hands.

Maybe the whole Pelagos thing is what allows us to go to Zereth Mortis?

[Nyel]

What was stopping them before the 9.1 raid when they still had Zovaal's core?

I guess the integrity of their plot? (assuming it exists)

[GR8GODZILLAGOD]

Not wanting to mess with it to avoid Zovaal getting his hands on it, i'd imagine. As well as having more pressing matters on their hands.

Maybe the whole Pelagos thing is what allows us to go to Zereth Mortis?

How would that allow it to get into Zovaal's hands? They were in Oribos and Zovaal was still trapped in the Maw before the raid. Hell, they could have done it soon after the Arbiter broke before they were starved for Anima. And how would stopping souls from going into the Maw and empowering the Jailer and his forces by making a new Arbiter not a pressing matter that needed attention?

[Raetary]

Honestly, i am deeply disappointed that they never actually used the Arbiter for anything.
I wanted to interact with her and see her model in action, but nah.

Great model design, all that set up for her to be this grand being, only for us to find out she was just a glorified macguffin.

What was stopping them before the 9.1 raid when they still had Zovaal's core?

The same reason as to why none of them sent some messenger or something to Oribos, to check out what's going on with the stream of souls.
Incompetence and bad writing.

[Ersula]

I mean I just don't get the First Ones because if what is in the Sepulcher is true then they aren't even the highest on the totem pole and there's like other levels of creators for the Warcraft Universe.

The Shapers (Pantheon of Order)
The Founders (The First Ones)
? The Architect(s) (?)
? Actual Creator?
? SIMULATION IN A LAB

The Titans are the Pantheon of Order. And the Winter Queen explained back in 9.1 that they created the maw specifically to imprison the Jailer. I have to assume with the Jailer killed they would just.... unmake the maw?

[Makabreska]

Damn, some of these tier set bonuses are bonkers. Survival hunter AoE burst may be through the roof.

[Kiivar86]

Saw a rumor today that Blizzard may announce "World of Warcraft: Complete Edition" for consoles at the Game Awards. I generally don't give these sorts of rumors any real attention but on a lark I thought about it and still feels like it's odd though not improbable.

Though what "Complete" means is what intrigues me because it obviously wouldn't be truly complete as more expansions come out. Presumably.

[Cosmic Janitor]

And of course they'd want a new arbiter. Bastion et al are still vastly better than getting shoved into the Maw. It's not like people wouldn't die without one.

The Kyrians could just stop chugging people into the broken machine and therefore the maw. They need someone to sort it, but frankly it wouldn't have to be an arbiter per se. We don't really know how flawless she was anyway. It is clearly implied some people had to change afterwards because they couldn't manage to become harvester, ascended, etc. Since we have no clue what happens in other afterlives, maybe you could just go with the supernatural version where every prick get's their own little piece of heaven where they relive their best offs in an eternal dream. Maybe we could just have some other people sort them like an old post office. Frankly I'm not even sure why we can't just use the old arbiter, the reading magic is clearly something all the (higher) caretakers are capable off, so any kind of machine could probably do it, at worst they'd need some extra anima.

If there is a special property to the Roomba's/Zoofie's core, Blizzrd didn't explain it yet.

[Relapses]

Saw a rumor today that Blizzard may announce "World of Warcraft: Complete Edition" for consoles at the Game Awards. I generally don't give these sorts of rumors any real attention but on a lark I thought about it and still feels like it's odd though not improbable.

Though what "Complete" means is what intrigues me because it obviously wouldn't be truly complete as more expansions come out. Presumably.

WoW is completely incompatible with console play. This "rumor" comes up every couple years and never follows through. I doubt it's any more true now than it has been in the past.

[Sondrelk]

Saw a rumor today that Blizzard may announce "World of Warcraft: Complete Edition" for consoles at the Game Awards. I generally don't give these sorts of rumors any real attention but on a lark I thought about it and still feels like it's odd though not improbable.

Though what "Complete" means is what intrigues me because it obviously wouldn't be truly complete as more expansions come out. Presumably.

I don't see how WoW for consoles would even work, honestly. It does for FFXIV, but that is a far slower game that places a lot less focus on the actual combat.

[Cosmic Janitor]

How would that allow it to get into Zovaal's hands? They were in Oribos and Zovaal was still trapped in the Maw before the raid. Hell, they could have done it soon after the Arbiter broke before they were starved for Anima. And how would stopping souls from going into the Maw and empowering the Jailer and his forces by making a new Arbiter not a pressing matter that needed attention?

Shush, don't you dare to apply logic to this god forsaken plot!

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

Saw a rumor today that Blizzard may announce "World of Warcraft: Complete Edition" for consoles at the Game Awards. I generally don't give these sorts of rumors any real attention but on a lark I thought about it and still feels like it's odd though not improbable.

Though what "Complete" means is what intrigues me because it obviously wouldn't be truly complete as more expansions come out. Presumably.

I am genuinely terrified that we're heading for Seasonal content only. I just hope that this is just fake.

[Kiivar86]

WoW is completely incompatible with console play. This "rumor" comes up every couple years and never follows through. I doubt it's any more true now than it has been in the past.

It does and I always brush it off too, but I dunno, something grabbed me this time.

I still doubt it though yeah.

I am genuinely terrified that we're heading for Seasonal content only. I just hope that this is just fake.

That was one of my thoughts too, but I then thought about how they have enough trouble delivering content more than like, once a year.

[Ersula]

The Kyrians could just stop chugging people into the broken machine and therefore the maw.

They did not even notice everyone was getting thrown into the maw until a while after we showed up. In fact the person who tried to tell them was Devos & she got shot down. That firmed up the idea that the covenant leaders really are incompetent.

[Cosmic Janitor]

The same reason as to why none of them sent some messenger or something to Oribos, to check out what's going on with the stream of souls.
Incompetence and bad writing.

Messenger? The Kyrians literally fly around in Oribos every waking moment and all the Eternal Ones have a holoprojector akin to a magic-red phone right next to it in which they could have just phoned in to check on what is going on. Bad writing is an understatement.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

?
Do you even know how PTR in league works?
They announce the champion and put it on the PTR. You dont datamine there some insane spoilers 3 months ahead. In what world is this the same as wows ptr?

People were data mining spoilers about the ruinous event way before it came out the idea that they just test champs is totally untrue.

[huth]

How would that allow it to get into Zovaal's hands? They were in Oribos and Zovaal was still trapped in the Maw before the raid. Hell, they could have done it soon after the Arbiter broke before they were starved for Anima. And how would stopping souls from going into the Maw and empowering the Jailer and his forces by making a new Arbiter not a pressing matter that needed attention?

Maybe, but why risk it? And as we've seen in the raid, being trapped in the Maw was utterly irrelevant.

Also, they didn't even find out about it being broken until after the starvation set in.

The Kyrians could just stop chugging people into the broken machine and therefore the maw.

You've seen what happens when the realms are deprived of Anima. That wouldn't work in the long term. It's not like the Kyrians were specificially throwing people into the Maw, either, they just automagically went there after being brought to the Shadowlands and not being sorted by somebody.
So we're left with the situation that they can both not afford to not do it and have to have something in place to sift through the arriving souls. The arbiter worked just fine for eons, no surprise they'd want to use a solution that has served them perfectly well for so long.