Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Kiivar86]

New mounts and Korthia. Real curious to see what its like. But I always build up these things far more in my head than they end up being.

[Sondrelk]

I guess I also have to admit I look forward to 9.1 because it brings us one patch closer to the return of class sets. We have only gotten 3 class themed sets after the visual upgrade in Legion, and as a hunter that showing was pretty terrible, the HD update from TBC was based on the worst set in an expansion with some of the best.

Though then again, guess I shouldnt get my hopes up. Blizzzrd has long shown they don't really know how to design hunter sets properly, with only a select few I can point to as great sets.

[TheFirstOnes]

I guess I also have to admit I look forward to 9.1 because it brings us one patch closer to the return of class sets. We have only gotten 3 class themed sets after the visual upgrade in Legion, and as a hunter that showing was pretty terrible, the HD update from TBC was based on the worst set in an expansion with some of the best.

Though then again, guess I shouldnt get my hopes up. Blizzzrd has long shown they don't really know how to design hunter sets properly, with only a select few I can point to as great sets.

True. I do miss Legion, ngl. The story was so fucking good that expac. And seeing Sargeras was the nuttiest shit.

[Sondrelk]

True. I do miss Legion, ngl. The story was so fucking good that expac. And seeing Sargeras was the nuttiest shit.

Was it really? Was the story actually good there?

From what I remember it was a lot of shuffling your feet with the anemic class stories from the order halls, with 7.2 being the prime offender.
Though then again, I guess some of those stories were good, like the DK one. And the Monk mount quest was fantastic.

I don't actually remember the story being all that exciting until you defeated Kil'jaeden and Argus showed up, with Argus being a highlight. Though I guess that could also be chalked up to it being the most visually stunning part.

[Varitok]

True. I do miss Legion, ngl. The story was so fucking good that expac. And seeing Sargeras was the nuttiest shit.

Yeesh. Bro, It brought back a long dead dude and long dead titans to lock away a Mcguffin from a long dead planet. It was probably the worst thing in WoW lore from a retcon standpoint.

[Varodoc]

Was it really? Was the story actually good there?

From what I remember it was a lot of shuffling your feet with the anemic class stories from the order halls, with 7.2 being the prime offender.
Though then again, I guess some of those stories were good, like the DK one. And the Monk mount quest was fantastic.

I don't actually remember the story being all that exciting until you defeated Kil'jaeden and Argus showed up, with Argus being a highlight. Though I guess that could also be chalked up to it being the most visually stunning part.

Yes, the story was that good. It was good in Suramar (until the cringe BfA retcon that turned Thalyssra into someone who agrees with genocide of the Kaldorei), it was good in the Tomb of Sargeras (aside from that cringe sob moment with Kil'jaeden as he was dying), and it was flawless in Argus. Patch 7.3 is easily the best patch in the game for that very reason alone.

[Kiivar86]

Personally, felt like Sargeras' appearance was more just out of nowhere and wasted. Was there any indication that he was that cloud until he appears out of it? I can't remember, anyway.

Also while I relatively enjoyed Argus, I hated that it was just used as patch content. Could have had an entire expansion based on that, but Blizzard seems to have made that into a theme (Nazjatar, Ny'alotha). So that was a disappointment.

[Sondrelk]

Yeesh. Bro, It brought back a long dead dude and long dead titans to lock away a Mcguffin from a long dead planet. It was probably the worst thing in WoW lore from a retcon standpoint.

Hey now, I think you are forgetting how it also neglected to have Illidan meet Tyrande and Malfurion despite being on the very same island for what must have been months.

[draugril]

Yeesh. Bro, It brought back a long dead dude and long dead titans to lock away a Mcguffin from a long dead planet. It was probably the worst thing in WoW lore from a retcon standpoint.

It's almost like people will bend over backwards to applaud a pitiable story, as long as that story revisits characters and settings that players actually care about. Hmm.

[TheFirstOnes]

Was it really? Was the story actually good there?

From what I remember it was a lot of shuffling your feet with the anemic class stories from the order halls, with 7.2 being the prime offender.
Though then again, I guess some of those stories were good, like the DK one. And the Monk mount quest was fantastic.

I don't actually remember the story being all that exciting until you defeated Kil'jaeden and Argus showed up, with Argus being a highlight. Though I guess that could also be chalked up to it being the most visually stunning part.

While I do with 7.2 had more (I really do...)

EVERYTHING WAS COOL ASF!!!! THE CLASS QUESTS WERE COOL! BALNAZZAR WAS COOL! Sure, everything in the leveling was all over the place, BUT AT LEAST THOSE STORIES WERE EITHER COMPLETELY OR CONTINUED IN DIFFERENT EXPANSIONS!!!!

I mean, could be worse, could be WoD, or potentially SL...

[Sondrelk]

While I do with 7.2 had more (I really do...)

EVERYTHING WAS COOL ASF!!!! THE CLASS QUESTS WERE COOL! BALNAZZAR WAS COOL! Sure, everything in the leveling was all over the place, BUT AT LEAST THOSE STORIES WERE EITHER COMPLETELY OR CONTINUED IN DIFFERENT EXPANSIONS!!!!

I mean, could be worse, could be WoD, or potentially SL...

I mean, some of the class quests were cool. But for each DK storyline about ressurecting long dead heroes of Azeroth for nebulous goals or reuininting the elemental lords, there were also class questlines about finding a particularly dangerous demon dog that needed putting down, or worse yet the nadir of the class quests, making beer.

The bigger problem with the class questlines though is that for the most part they came at the cost of the rest of the story. Not to mention they were not as long as they should have been, considering they needed to make 12 of them with enough good plots for maybe 4 or 5.


Suramar was pretty good though. And some of the class quest moments were memorable enough. Things like attacking Lightss hope chapel or fighting a mystical tiger while walking on water like we were in a wuxia film.
I just don't think Legion was really anything to aspire to narratively. Just because it is surrounded by even more questionable writing doesnt make it good.

[Nyel]

I guess I also have to admit I look forward to 9.1 because it brings us one patch closer to the return of class sets. We have only gotten 3 class themed sets after the visual upgrade in Legion, and as a hunter that showing was pretty terrible, the HD update from TBC was based on the worst set in an expansion with some of the best.

Though then again, guess I shouldnt get my hopes up. Blizzzrd has long shown they don't really know how to design hunter sets properly, with only a select few I can point to as great sets.

Their last statement regardin class sets was that they're coming later in Shadowlands - and this was said when, last year? Or did they say anything about it during Blizzcon?
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I liked the Legion story until 7.3. The whole Argus stuff was horrible. Suramar and Nighthold was excellent though, the best they've done yet.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

It's almost like people will bend over backwards to applaud a pitiable story, as long as that story revisits characters and settings that players actually care about. Hmm.

No, Legion's story wasn't really that bad, just split in into pieces via class campaigns.

[Sondrelk]

Their last statement regardin class sets was that they're coming later in Shadowlands - and this was said when, last year? Or did they say anything about it during Blizzcon?

All they have said about it is that 1. It would come after the first raid, and that 2. It would not be from the second raid. So really we don't know much more than that it won't come in this patch.

[TheFirstOnes]

Hey now, I think you are forgetting how it also neglected to have Illidan meet Tyrande and Malfurion despite being on the very same island for what must have been months.

They already explained why they never saw eachother.

[draugril]

All I'm saying is that, even if it was the worst story ever told, people would still receive it positively because it is a story that touched on core WarCraft themes. That class story and history is an element of that.

[Nyel]

All they have said about it is that 1. It would come after the first raid, and that 2. It would not be from the second raid. So really we don't know much more than that it won't come in this patch.

Yeah, I was just wondering if there was an update on this topic during Blizzconline. If we just have the announcement from last year right before / around Shadowlands launch, I'm not sure how valid that still is.

[GR8GODZILLAGOD]

Put me down as someone who didn't particularly care for Legion's story outside of some class campaigns. Surumar was pretty good. Other than that: eeeehhhhh.

EDIT: Oh yeah, and way to waste Tichondrius in that expansion. Always thought the guy was calm, cool, and calculating as hell in WC3 and he was turned into another generic EVULZ guy as a quick raid boss.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Put me down as someone who didn't particularly care for Legion's story outside of some class campaigns. Surumar was pretty good. Other than that: eeeehhhhh.

EDIT: Oh yeah, and way to waste Tichondrius in that expansion. Always thought the guy was calm, cool, and calculating as hell in WC3 and he was turned into another generic EVULZ guy as a quick raid boss.

The same calculating guy that Illidan wiped the floor with? Yeah uhhh don't put Tichondrius on some epic pedestal, cause he wasn't some epic badass that did a lot of shit, he stayed behind the scenes of the Scourge campaign. And yes people who generally are with the Legion are evil, so.... deal with it.

[therumblings]

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