Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Luck4]

or will she go back to Azeroth with us. I think the answer to that is clear as day.

I don't care if she dies or which place she should go in the Shadowlands. But FFS I dearly hope she'll not come back to Azeroth. Pretty much like Illidan and Garrosh, there's no place for her in Azeroth.

Leaving alone the fact that this is her second story arc concluded.

[TheramoreIsTheBomb]

Pretty sure, like always, Danuser will pull a "Enough!" with Sylvanas and end it on another cliffhanger. Learn what happens to Sylvanas in 10.0
Learn what happens to Sylvanas in 10.1
Learn what happened to Sylvanas in 10.2
Learn what happened with Sylvanas and X in 10.3!
Learn what will happen next in SYlvanas's life in 11.0!

[Santandame]

Is there any evidence the epilogue is specifically about her?

Quite literally nothing.

Just @TheFirstOnes being their typical self, making up claims with no evidence or even anything remotely hinting to it and then trying to play it off as fact.

Business as usual.

[shise]

That image in every way possible just screams "WoW."

And yet nothing in that image exists in the game anymore.

10.0 needs to fix that.

Won´t be possible to bring exactly that back tho. Sadly, now a days we have way too many mounts, too many armor sets, toys.. etc

Whilst this is ofc nice, it does remove a core aspect of what made wow excelent: you had the bare minimum and that made every little something special.

Now you have people going around with over 200 "rare and unique" mounts each... 3 or 6 "legendary" items on the bags, millions of gold, teleports here and there... That basic core is gone. Luckily we can experience it in Classic and BC classic... although it is not hte same either, not even close but better than nothing.

But maybe they can build something different towards the story and the land.

[TheramoreIsTheBomb]

Good god the raid is the size of a zone. What a huge raid.

don' get excited. remember who's at the head of the story.

[Progenitor Aquarius]

One of the datamining discords is openly talking about how they made this (fake) Sylvanar-Avatar-of-Azeroth image with intent to make it go viral and piss off fanboys with the most cringeworthy image possible. The more attention it gets, the happier they are.

Yeah. I find it annoying already. This whole fuss around her.

[Hitei]

Pretty sure, like always, Danuser will pull a "Enough!" with Sylvanas and end it on another cliffhanger. Learn what happens to Sylvanas in 10.0
Learn what happens to Sylvanas in 10.1
Learn what happened to Sylvanas in 10.2
Learn what happened with Sylvanas and X in 10.3!
Learn what will happen next in SYlvanas's life in 11.0!

Your argument kinda falls apart when her last encounter had her get fucked up and left as a prisoner.

[Luck4]

Pretty sure, like always, Danuser will pull a "Enough!" with Sylvanas and end it on another cliffhanger. Learn what happens to Sylvanas in 10.0
Learn what happens to Sylvanas in 10.1
Learn what happened to Sylvanas in 10.2
Learn what happened with Sylvanas and X in 10.3!
Learn what will happen next in SYlvanas's life in 11.0!

World of ̷W̷a̷r̷c̷r̷a̷f̷t̷ Sylvanas.

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Your argument kinda falls apart when her last encounter had her get fucked up and left as a prisoner.

Talking about Sylvanas this doesn't mean much.

Even this joke comic from the BFA era isn't accurate, because she dies, something that everybody knows is impossible.

[BaumanKing]

Your argument kinda falls apart when her last encounter had her get fucked up and left as a prisoner.

Garrosh got fucked up after his encounter in SoO. Sylvanas, on the other hand, got visibly unharmed AND got her soul back, which is actually good for her. And I don't see any shackles on her in 9.2.

[Zers Editor]

So, here's something else I've found:

UNUSED - Name changed from "World Tree 2" to "UNUSED".

WORLD TREE 2.

[Nyel]

Why would they sell them for less money?

The trend is to sell them for more money.

Because they offer less content. If you cut expansion content by 50% to release them annually, you have to adjust the price. And for sure you won't reduce the price by 50% as well, that's why I gave the $10 price tag. Reduce content by 50%, reduce price by 20% - still a massive financial gain overall.

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So, here's something else I've found:

UNUSED - Name changed from "World Tree 2" to "UNUSED".

WORLD TREE 2.

World Tree 2 = Teldrassil = burnt down -> unused

World Tree 1 should be Nordrassil in Hyjal, right?

[Lahis]

Because they offer less content. If you cut expansion content by 50% to release them annually, you have to adjust the price. And for sure you won't reduce the price by 50% as well, that's why I gave the $10 price tag. Reduce content by 50%, reduce price by 20% - still a massive financial gain overall.

But if enough people buy the expansions for the higher price, they have bo reason to reduce prices.

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Your argument kinda falls apart when her last encounter had her get fucked up and left as a prisoner.

Yeee-up which means we have to wait for 9.2 to see what happens yo her

[Nyel]

But if enough people buy the expansions for the higher price, they have bo reason to reduce prices.

It's called marketing psychology. Nobody would offer half the product for the same price, even if they could do. It generates more goodwill and trust when you reduce the price when you reduce the content, even if it's 90% less content but only 10% less price. It's a matter of perception and, eventually, deceit.

[TheFirstOnes]

Is there any evidence the epilogue is specifically about her?

Considering she has a role to play in the raid, and considering almost nothing from the raid talks about Sylvanas dying whatsoever (Granted, we have little to no bio about anything regarding the final fight outside of abilities. But it's not like Blizzard's going to straight up just "kill" her, regardless), and considering the final chapter is literally called Epilogue: Judgement ("Judgement" being something Sylvanas' character's been leading up towards since like...Legion-BFA), I doubt it's anything but her...

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Who else would it be about? Fucking Arthas? Anduin?

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Quite literally nothing.

Just @TheFirstOnes being their typical self, making up claims with no evidence or even anything remotely hinting to it and then trying to play it off as fact.

Business as usual.

Try to read the room first, before you start making false claims about me.

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Garrosh got fucked up after his encounter in SoO. Sylvanas, on the other hand, got visibly unharmed AND got her soul back, which is actually good for her. And I don't see any shackles on her in 9.2.

By that point, she was basically beyond the powers of an Eternal One. Now, she doesn't have any Maw powers, and all that Soul thing did was simply complete her soul again. She knows about as much of Domination as we do, and her info on shit is LACKING. Only Anduin can really help us, and the only reason Sylvanas is being used for the Raid if so she could fix her shit by helping us in bringing Anduin back, and aiding us in our battle leading up to Zovaal. In Zovaal's Final Boss abilities, NO ONE is mentioned outside of Azeroth and the Player Character. It's literally just you and your other friends against Zovaal in a personal battle for the fate of the Cosmos. The Power of the First Ones and the heart of Reality itself Vs The Final Boss of Warcraft: Chapter 1 (According to Blizzard...which is dumb).

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Pretty sure, like always, Danuser will pull a "Enough!" with Sylvanas and end it on another cliffhanger. Learn what happens to Sylvanas in 10.0
Learn what happens to Sylvanas in 10.1
Learn what happened to Sylvanas in 10.2
Learn what happened with Sylvanas and X in 10.3!
Learn what will happen next in SYlvanas's life in 11.0!

Crazy how almost none of Sylvanas' "actual combatant situations" resulted in her saying "enough" or "winning". Hell, she lost HARD in most of them.

Stalling Arthas? Got stabbed in the stomach.

Suicide post LK? Trapped in the Maw, and is forced to make a pact with the guy who made the LK to begin with, cause she didn't know better and he was a fucking liar.

Wanting to create more of your people? Garrosh compared you to the LK, you start to slowly lose yourself, and you're now on the shit list of most Horde races, including your own sisters.

Commanding most of the Broken Shore's assault in 7.0? The Legion fucks you up, and the Dreadlords are likely laughing at you.

Immortality through enslaving a Val'kyr? An Old Man whose Son you accidentally killed an a failed attempt to slay him, and whose Kingdom you horribly failed to cowardly destroy, let alone tactically take over at the original behest of your fucking Warchief, comes up to you, beats your ass despite getting a poison arrow through em, and destroys your last remaining chance at gaining immortality in any easy light.

Peace with the Humans, the Living, and with your sisters? You cannot take someone doing the right thing once, or a rogue band being moronic (Before the Storm is a shit book btw), so you decide to cause a genocidal war and dismantle the Night Elves lol. What in the everliving fuck.

The Players aren't able to stop your godly new powers? LOL YOU LOSE THEM ANYWAY CAUSE YOUR "MASTER" ENDED UP WANTING YOU TO BE HIS BITCH REGARDLESS! FUCKING MORON!

I'm not even halfway done btw. Hell, she feels more side-charactery than the Dreadlords now in 9.2...

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Speaking of "enoughs", Mal'ganis did more of those in this expansion alone than Sylvanas has throughout most of WoW.

[Cosmic Janitor]

She won't die. Epilogue implies otherwise. I DO see her being the new Jailer however, but she won't be a "prisoner" like Zovaal.

Yeah, as I said, non-punishment. I personally think she will be the next Jailer as well. "Oh woe is me, I'm no the jailer's jailer and I can do whatever I want otherwise."

[Marlamin]

So, here's something else I've found:

UNUSED - Name changed from "World Tree 2" to "UNUSED".

WORLD TREE 2.

World Tree 2 was added a while back now and hasn't ever been shipped. Definitely one of those things that might make sense with the context of knowing what the future content is, or something that'll never see the light of day/be explained.

One of the datamining discords is openly talking about how they made this (fake) Sylvanar-Avatar-of-Azeroth image with intent to make it go viral and piss off fanboys with the most cringeworthy image possible. The more attention it gets, the happier they are.

Yeah, that was definitely not something I approve of but I can't stop what people do individually. Don't like misinformation, whether it's intentional or not.

[Cosmic Janitor]

It is not only unlikely for her to become the next jailer but also unnecessary. The jailer only exists as a kind of punishment for an eternal one gone rampant. When Zovaal was the arbiter there existed no jailer. The only thing needed at this point is a new arbiter (which Sylvanas is uncapable of because of being mortal...and not exactly emotionless and just). The maw can exist without a jailer, so the only question is: will she be cast in the maw for her deeds or will she go back to Azeroth with us. I think the answer to that is clear as day.

We don't know if we can actually kill Zoofie, there is a chance that he just needs to be locked up again. It would essentially be a mirror version of Illidan and Sargeras. We also don't know if the maw can exist without him, we don't know this for sure for any zone. It is heavily implied that the winterqueen is directly linked to her realm, but we don't know about others. None of them actually died yet, even Denathrius is still around. There is also tonns of his troops still down there that need to be dismantled, uncountable numbers of souls that shouldn't be there that need to be rescued and so on. There is plenty of reason for a new Janitor type character. It stands to reason that other souls probably should be kept in check to make sure none rises to power.

[Nyel]

World Tree 2 was added a while back now and hasn't ever been shipped. Definitely one of those things that might make sense with the context of knowing what the future content is, or something that'll never see the light of day/be explained.

Can't it be related to what I said? We know that Teldrassil is the "second world tree". When exactly was it changed? Does it fit with the Burning of Teldrassil?

[Marlamin]

Can't it be related to what I said? We know that Teldrassil is the "second world tree". When exactly was it changed? Does it fit with the Burning of Teldrassil?

It was added in 9.0.1.34902, ~mid Shadowlands beta.

[huth]

We don't know if we can actually kill Zoofie, there is a chance that he just needs to be locked up again. It would essentially be a mirror version of Illidan and Sargeras. We also don't know if the maw can exist without him, we don't know this for sure for any zone. It is heavily implied that the winterqueen is directly linked to her realm, but we don't know about others. None of them actually died yet, even Denathrius is still around. There is also tonns of his troops still down there that need to be dismantled, uncountable numbers of souls that shouldn't be there that need to be rescued and so on. There is plenty of reason for a new Janitor type character. It stands to reason that other souls probably should be kept in check to make sure none rises to power.

We don't know if the Maw even is his zone in the first place. Since he was the original Arbiter, his place might actually have been Oribos. We do know, however, that he wasn't responsible for the whole being stuck there thing, that was due to the Winter Queen, so he isn't needed to imprison anybody there.
We also know that Maldraxxus works differently. For that matter, Revendreth was physically built by the Igors and needs to be maintained by them to not lose substance, so it's questionable whether Denathrius is needed.

Also, the Jailor wasn't a soul. It's unlikely a regular soul could even rise to the level he is at currently.

I think you're overestimating the need here.

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Can't it be related to what I said? We know that Teldrassil is the "second world tree". When exactly was it changed? Does it fit with the Burning of Teldrassil?

With a file name like that i'd expect a copy of whatever World Tree was, not a second world tree. So phasing before new asset.