Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Cosmic Janitor]

I think you're overestimating the need here.

I think you know about as much as me, and that is exactly nothing, since the story told us nothing so far. If they could have just killed him, they should have done so before, instead of chaining him up for eternity - after gutting him of course. The maw being devastated and right below Oribos might also be less of a coincidence, as it might indeed have been his original zone. We simply don't know. Making him the cosmic ultra devil of the franchise, but killing him off right in the same expansion as we met him for the first time would also be kinda bad and a waste. Heck we don't even know if they can simply die.

Anyway, there is more than enough room to doubt that he will be just killed off and many more ways to find excuses for keeping him alive.

[huth]

I think you know about as much as me, and that is exactly nothing, since the story told us nothing so far. If they could have just killed him, they should have done so before, instead of chaining him up for eternity - after gutting him of course. The maw being devastated and right below Oribos might also be less of a coincidence, as it might indeed have been his original zone. We simply don't know. Making him the cosmic ultra devil of the franchise, but killing him off right in the same expansion as we met him for the first time would also be kinda bad and a waste. Heck we don't even know if they can simply die.

Anyway, there is more than enough room to doubt that he will be just killed off and many more ways to find excuses for keeping him alive.

The Maw is also supposedly made up from bits and pieces he picked up from the mists surrounding everything. The world isn't even supposed to have a cosmic ultra devil. He only took up that role after he got kicked from his original job.

We know more than nothing. I just told you some of what is known. That you simply disregard that information isn't the same as nothing being known.

[Santandame]

Considering she has a role to play in the raid, and considering almost nothing from the raid talks about Sylvanas dying whatsoever (Granted, we have little to no bio about anything regarding the final fight outside of abilities. But it's not like Blizzard's going to straight up just "kill" her, regardless), and considering the final chapter is literally called Epilogue: Judgement ("Judgement" being something Sylvanas' character's been leading up towards since like...Legion-BFA), I doubt it's anything but her...

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Who else would it be about? Fucking Arthas? Anduin?

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Try to read the room first, before you start making false claims about me.

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By that point, she was basically beyond the powers of an Eternal One. Now, she doesn't have any Maw powers, and all that Soul thing did was simply complete her soul again. She knows about as much of Domination as we do, and her info on shit is LACKING. Only Anduin can really help us, and the only reason Sylvanas is being used for the Raid if so she could fix her shit by helping us in bringing Anduin back, and aiding us in our battle leading up to Zovaal. In Zovaal's Final Boss abilities, NO ONE is mentioned outside of Azeroth and the Player Character. It's literally just you and your other friends against Zovaal in a personal battle for the fate of the Cosmos. The Power of the First Ones and the heart of Reality itself Vs The Final Boss of Warcraft: Chapter 1 (According to Blizzard...which is dumb).

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Crazy how almost none of Sylvanas' "actual combatant situations" resulted in her saying "enough" or "winning". Hell, she lost HARD in most of them.

Stalling Arthas? Got stabbed in the stomach.

Suicide post LK? Trapped in the Maw, and is forced to make a pact with the guy who made the LK to begin with, cause she didn't know better and he was a fucking liar.

Wanting to create more of your people? Garrosh compared you to the LK, you start to slowly lose yourself, and you're now on the shit list of most Horde races, including your own sisters.

Commanding most of the Broken Shore's assault in 7.0? The Legion fucks you up, and the Dreadlords are likely laughing at you.

Immortality through enslaving a Val'kyr? An Old Man whose Son you accidentally killed an a failed attempt to slay him, and whose Kingdom you horribly failed to cowardly destroy, let alone tactically take over at the original behest of your fucking Warchief, comes up to you, beats your ass despite getting a poison arrow through em, and destroys your last remaining chance at gaining immortality in any easy light.

Peace with the Humans, the Living, and with your sisters? You cannot take someone doing the right thing once, or a rogue band being moronic (Before the Storm is a shit book btw), so you decide to cause a genocidal war and dismantle the Night Elves lol. What in the everliving fuck.

The Players aren't able to stop your godly new powers? LOL YOU LOSE THEM ANYWAY CAUSE YOUR "MASTER" ENDED UP WANTING YOU TO BE HIS BITCH REGARDLESS! FUCKING MORON!

I'm not even halfway done btw. Hell, she feels more side-charactery than the Dreadlords now in 9.2...

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Speaking of "enoughs", Mal'ganis did more of those in this expansion alone than Sylvanas has throughout most of WoW.

Is part of your routine just using words/phrases/idioms/metaphors completely out of context with little to no idea of what they mean hence why you include whatever in a place that holds no relevance to what you are actually saying?

It's like a child who's just discovered a new word or phrase.

[EbaumsTipster]

Is part of your routine just using words/phrases/idioms/metaphors completely out of context with little to no idea of what they mean hence why you include whatever in a place that holds no relevance to what you are actually saying?

It's like a child who's just discovered a new word or phrase.

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[ExiHext]

We don't know if we can actually kill Zoofie, there is a chance that he just needs to be locked up again. It would essentially be a mirror version of Illidan and Sargeras. We also don't know if the maw can exist without him, we don't know this for sure for any zone. It is heavily implied that the winterqueen is directly linked to her realm, but we don't know about others. None of them actually died yet, even Denathrius is still around. There is also tonns of his troops still down there that need to be dismantled, uncountable numbers of souls that shouldn't be there that need to be rescued and so on. There is plenty of reason for a new Janitor type character. It stands to reason that other souls probably should be kept in check to make sure none rises to power.

Yeah, I wouldn't be too surprised if we don't kill him just lock him up again in the maw with some additional security means or perhaps a jailer for the jailer which in this case could be Sylvie. I don't think she will because it would make her whole "I will never serve" nonsense. But Zovaal staying alive I can totally see coming.

[Sondrelk]

Yeah, I wouldn't be too surprised if we don't kill him just lock him up again in the maw with some additional security means or perhaps a jailer for the jailer which in this case could be Sylvie. I don't think she will because it would make her whole "I will never serve" nonsense. But Zovaal staying alive I can totally see coming.

Sylvanas not wanting to serve is exactly why she should become the new Jailer in a sense.
For someone so evil, the least we can expect is for her to eat her goddamn humble pie and do as she is told for once.
She certainly isn't coming back to Azeroth with us, that's for damn sure.

[Cosmic Janitor]

Yeah, I wouldn't be too surprised if we don't kill him just lock him up again in the maw with some additional security means or perhaps a jailer for the jailer which in this case could be Sylvie. I don't think she will because it would make her whole "I will never serve" nonsense. But Zovaal staying alive I can totally see coming.

For her arc I think the whole dynamic of "I will never serve", as laughable as it was, has kinda changed already anyway with her sould being complete again. Maybe she sees the need for some form of penance.

[Lady Atia]

Sylvanas not wanting to serve is exactly why she should become the new Jailer in a sense.
For someone so evil, the least we can expect is for her to eat her goddamn humble pie and do as she is told for once.
She certainly isn't coming back to Azeroth with us, that's for damn sure.

She isn't evil, and I sure as hell hope she's coming back with us to Azeroth. We need someone to train new Dark Rangers lol.

[Cherry123]

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Azeroth destroyed, but restored from the archive
Return to azeroth
-No cataclysm
-The same locations and characters, but different
(Windrunner family is alive , Thrall, Jaina, Anduin, Gen and other characters full OC )
-multiclass
-reputation system (Silvermoon elf visits stormwind)
-old expansion experience removed (reset levels)

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[Hellspawn]

She isn't evil, and I sure as hell hope she's coming back with us to Azeroth. We need someone to train new Dark Rangers lol.

If I remember it correctly, Nathanos trains the Dark Ranger and not Sylvanas (I guess since cataclysm?!). Also, since they can't rezz any undead anymore, there is at least currently no need to train new dark rangers.

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Azeroth destroyed, but restored from the archive
Return to azeroth
-No cataclysm
-The same locations and characters, but different
(Windrunner family is alive , Thrall, Jaina, Anduin, Gen and other characters full OC )
-multiclass
-reputation system (Silvermoon elf visits stormwind)
-old expansion experience removed (reset levels)

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Is this a wishlist or a fake leak?

[ExiHext]

Sylvanas not wanting to serve is exactly why she should become the new Jailer in a sense.
For someone so evil, the least we can expect is for her to eat her goddamn humble pie and do as she is told for once.
She certainly isn't coming back to Azeroth with us, that's for damn sure.

I have to admit I'm going to reserve my judgement if she is "evil" until we see how she behaves in 9.2 after her soul being complete again. I have the impression that with losing a part of her soul she was not totally responsible for what she has done in the past. Depends which part of her soul it was. Uther was quite compromised himself.

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For her arc I think the whole dynamic of "I will never serve", as laughable as it was, has kinda changed already anyway with her sould being complete again. Maybe she sees the need for some form of penance.

If she is ok with getting jailer of the jailer then yes, something like this could work. But to be fair that would be a little too similar to what Illidan did. At least for my taste.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Sylvanas not wanting to serve is exactly why she should become the new Jailer in a sense.
For someone so evil, the least we can expect is for her to eat her goddamn humble pie and do as she is told for once.
She certainly isn't coming back to Azeroth with us, that's for damn sure.

If Sylvanas is redeemed and not Arthas.... I will call bullshit. here

I have to admit I'm going to reserve my judgement if she is "evil" until we see how she behaves in 9.2 after her soul being complete again. I have the impression that with losing a part of her soul she was not totally responsible for what she has done in the past. Depends which part of her soul it was. Uther was quite compromised himself.

Ok I found it

Uther:But it was not divided into one part that was noble and another that was cruel. Rather, it was as if a portion of my consciousness remained frozen in time while the rest of my soul carried on. To feel the missing fragment restored well, it caused me to reflect upon many of the choices I made.

[TheFirstOnes]

Is part of your routine just using words/phrases/idioms/metaphors completely out of context with little to no idea of what they mean hence why you include whatever in a place that holds no relevance to what you are actually saying?

It's like a child who's just discovered a new word or phrase.

Your critiques are well and good, sure. But I fail to see why you think this. Maybe, idk, provide a genuine example?

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Idk who you are, but if you genuinely want to accuse me of shit even though you’ve been providing little to no examples of this since you first mentioned me for absolutely no reason in a discussion you had no part in, then I suggest you at the very least do some research first.

[ExiHext]

Uther explained its not one good side one bad being separate from each other. He implied that Sylvanas may still be defiant as always. But I'll go look at the "Stay awhile and listen text"

I'm not entirely sure but didn't we have to restore Uther's compassion during 9.1 campaign because that was the part that was trapped in the soul crystal in Torghast? I mean if Sylvanas lacks compassion that would explain a lot of her deeds.

[Kereberus]

I spoke to Ion on our date this weekend. He confirmed Warcraft is having a Hololive crossover event.

[TheFirstOnes]

Also, if I don’t already recall, didn’t you do similar shit regarding SL’s release, when you tried to knock other people’s theories down on what they believed 9.2 to be, or when 9.0 would release (which btw, was among the funniest threads I’ve ever read, on all sides. Horribly backhanded thread title followed by a release for an expansion that in itself barely considers December as “Fall”, despite most of the month itself being within Fall.

As for me being such a fool, and making “up” opinions as facts (which I have almost NEVER done btw), weren’t you do certain that Sylvanas would die akin to the inquisitor from Star Wars: Fallen Order earlier? Your big words do not hide your hypocrisy, it appears…

[Aeluron Lightsong]

I'm not entirely sure but didn't we have to restore Uther's compassion during 9.1 campaign because that was the part that was trapped in the soul crystal in Torghast? I mean if Sylvanas lacks compassion that would explain a lot of her deeds.

It came off more he felt he failed the compassion part of a Paladin's tenats. I am not gonna go out and say the same will happen with Sylvanas. She may still act like herself.

[Ersula]

It came off more he felt he failed the compassion part of a Paladin's tenats. I am not gonna go out and say the same will happen with Sylvanas. She may still act like herself.

They explained (because honestly everyone was asking about it. Its never explained in game) in an interview the effect of having a frostmorne wound & having a piece of your soul taken, is merely that you are stuck in the mental state you were when you died. So Uther & Sylvanas were acting in a permanent state of fear & pain.

[Varodoc]

Pretty sure, like always, Danuser will pull a "Enough!" with Sylvanas and end it on another cliffhanger. Learn what happens to Sylvanas in 10.0
Learn what happens to Sylvanas in 10.1
Learn what happened to Sylvanas in 10.2
Learn what happened with Sylvanas and X in 10.3!
Learn what will happen next in SYlvanas's life in 11.0!

Stop being mean to Danuser, you have to understand.

It's hard writing a story when you're using only one hand

[Ersula]

I spoke to Ion on our date this weekend. He confirmed Warcraft is having a Hololive crossover event.

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