Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

It's next week. Probably, maybe?

[Zelk]

We live in the Timeline where the Windrunner Reunion, one of the main talking points for years, was relegated to a badly-drawn side comic, while that meme NPC Saurfang got like 5 full CGI cinematics.

Let that sink in, what kind of Timeline we live in.

the windrunners are boring (and in two cases extremely annoying as well), Saurfang is cool.

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

the windrunners are boring, Saurfang is cool.

Well, to be honest Saurfang has kind of recieved the most positive representation of his character and probably the most costly story told yet with multiple CG Cinematics and in-game Cinematics.

[GR8GODZILLAGOD]

the windrunners are boring (and in two cases extremely annoying as well), Saurfang is cool.

Maybe ironic considering I thought Saurfang was cool until BfA and those cinematics.

[Raetary]

I dunno, we moved from biggest Velf lover to people who deny their origins and existence.

Where the PTR @?

Devs are on vacation, so we gotta wait til next week.

[huth]

I dunno, we moved from biggest Velf lover to people who deny their origins and existence.

Where the PTR @?

When Thanksgiving is over and all of turkey has been devoured. Should take about the same time.

[Zelk]

Well, to be honest Saurfang has kind of recieved the most positive representation of his character and probably the most costly story told yet with multiple CG Cinematics and in-game Cinematics.

yeah But he was a well-liked character before then. People have hated Sylvanas for over a decade at this point.

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

Well, I mean Blizzard just never invested the money and time into explaining Sylvanas's story and again it's just that her book came too late to save her character.

Edge of Night Cinematic would've been great to at least get people to fundamentally understand her Thanatophobia but other than that I mean it's pretty much been too late for her for a while now and it doesn't seem to get better and the book is probably going to be baffling reading material in the first place.

[Makabreska]

yeah But he was a well-liked character before then. People have hated Sylvanas for over a decade at this point.

Dunno man, I saw so much Saurfang hate during BfA here.

[Zelk]

Dunno man, I saw so much Saurfang hate during BfA here.

he got sucked into the sylvanas story vortex like everything else in BFA and Shadowlands. Can't wait for that thing to be over.

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

he got sucked into the sylvanas story vortex like everything else in BFA and Shadowlands. Can't wait for that thing to be over.

I mean what if this never ends and Sylvanas is just the Main Character forever? I mean there's a chance that is the case.

Unless she ends up like Garrosh where she time travels and then one of her sisters kills her and causes them to go through a depression arc again. I really have my doubts the Banshee Queen will be killed off.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

I don't mind the windrunner sisters, but man people really think the only opinion to have is to hate on Windrunner related stuff, Hate danuser to.

I don't but people are deranged over the dude. Honestly, ya'll are worried about danuser but not.........the past individuals who wrote for WoW that might of been....shady.

[Grimbold21]

Yep. Whenever we start discussing insignificant stuff like void elves, we need new info.
Surprise 10.0 reveal at Dreamhack incoming!!! COPIUM

Well, you gotta ask yourself, is this any better than the first ones - different realms/dimensions - overall crap condition of the lore merry go around?

[Nokster10]

I don't mind the windrunner sisters, but man people really think the only opinion to have is to hate on Windrunner related stuff, Hate danuser to.

I don't but people are deranged over the dude. Honestly, ya'll are worried about danuser but not.........the past individuals who wrote for WoW that might of been....shady.

Maybe because Danuser is the current lead writer and doesn't know what the fuck he's doing? The guy is completely clueless and makes no sense that he has that job considering he has ZERO video game writing experience except being one of the mediocre writers on Kingdoms of amalur. That's his WHOLE experience. The guy is a complete hack and makes you wonder how he got that job.

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

I mean I think the best way for the Narrative Team to restart is to start with a clean slate and then reframe how they want to tell their story. The Campaign System doesn't work because of how slow it is and they should figure out a new strategy on that front.

Obviously I don't think that's happening with the Trial of Sylvanas seemingly happening after the Raid which means that it is very likely that we're going back to an Azeroth where the Narrative Team will be able to do a lot of damage relatively quickly especially with the potential of Genocidal Turalyon enslaving the entirety of Azeroth in preparation for the arrival of God Empress Yrel. Which again just reminder that is one storyline that could occur but there could be many other storylines that add to this next expansion becoming one of the most chaotic expansions of all time and wasting 3-5 expansions just like BFA.

Definitely I think the Narrative Team should chill out and pace the story slower but within a different format and actually try and tell the story that they want instead of waiting for outside transmedia that doesn't really do anything for theorycrafters in the first place and at this point most of us are just waiting to see what Zovaal ending is and try and piece together the events of Shadowlands in a post-Shadowlands world.

[Slowpoke is a Gamer]

Yep. Whenever we start discussing insignificant stuff like void elves, we need new info.
Surprise 10.0 reveal at Dreamhack incoming!!! COPIUM

Says a lot that we got a batch of 9.2 cutscenes yesterday and we're still desperate for news.

Shadowlands really doesn't do it for anyone.

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

Well, to be honest Saurfang has kind of recieved the most positive representation of his character and probably the most costly story told yet with multiple CG Cinematics and in-game Cinematics.

While I liked those cinematics and Saurfang as a character, it's pretty telling that most of the narrative real state and budget was spent on the side story of a character rather than the main narrative of the expansion. It's just really exemplar of how disjointed BfA was as an expansion.

[Hugnomo]

I really hope they use this new reality altering plot device to really shake things up going forward. Have it make some radical change that could take us to a WoW 2.0 of sorts, Azeroth revamp or something like it.
Because, even if I'm a huge fan of WoW and Warcraft in general, for years, it is feeling a little stagnant. With the slow content delivery this time around, only 2 major patches, being sued, all the controversies and scandals ... I'm not one for exaggeration, and often argue against the more dramatic side of the community, but it seems like it's one of the worse, if not the worst, moments in Blizzard history.
As someone who's never been a fan of LoL, having watched Arcane, their MMO is sounding more and more appealing. A new, modern game, built off of a great quality narrative that's had mainstream success ... At the same time, FF XIV has become very successful as well.
This is just my opinion, but even as someone who isn't usually negative about the game, it's feeling like it's falling behind. I think they need something shockingly impressive soon.

Edit: By a revamp I don't mean retreading old stories. No time travel, just a modern, beautiful world with great new stories to tell.

[Slowpoke is a Gamer]

I mean I think the best way for the Narrative Team to restart is to start with a clean slate and then reframe how they want to tell their story. The Campaign System doesn't work because of how slow it is and they should figure out a new strategy on that front.

Obviously I don't think that's happening with the Trial of Sylvanas seemingly happening after the Raid which means that it is very likely that we're going back to an Azeroth where the Narrative Team will be able to do a lot of damage relatively quickly especially with the potential of Genocidal Turalyon enslaving the entirety of Azeroth in preparation for the arrival of God Empress Yrel. Which again just reminder that is one storyline that could occur but there could be many other storylines that add to this next expansion becoming one of the most chaotic expansions of all time and wasting 3-5 expansions just like BFA.

Definitely I think the Narrative Team should chill out and pace the story slower but within a different format and actually try and tell the story that they want instead of waiting for outside transmedia that doesn't really do anything for theorycrafters in the first place and at this point most of us are just waiting to see what Zovaal ending is and try and piece together the events of Shadowlands in a post-Shadowlands world.

I mean the solution to the campaign system is to frankly just dump it all at once and call it a day. But then the campaign would be exposed for what it is, which is a beginning, 75% filler, and an ending.

Frankly even "stepping back and slowing down" really isn't enough to get the story structure fixed. They need to rebuild the foundations of how the story is being told at all. And I don't mean "reboot the universe so we can tell Arthas' story again." I mean they need to just close the old book, open a new one, and start again from the prologue. Introduce new allies, new villains, new arcs and then start building the story out again from there. If they're serious about putting a stopper on "and now let's go more in depth on this one line of dialogue from WC3" after Shadowlands, then 10.0 gives them the best spot to start telling something new. Something that goes beyond Undeath and Light and Void ad nauseum.

[GR8GODZILLAGOD]

Says a lot that we got a batch of 9.2 cutscenes yesterday and we're still desperate for news.

Shadowlands really doesn't do it for anyone.

I mean, those cinematics gave nothing to talk about, outside the brief FF XIV similarity.
Open a portal to Zareth. Go in it. Jailer opens a portal to the raid.