Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Raetary]

Not much to speculate about besides "her dreams sing beneath the surface. quiet now, but her voice will awaken the others." Talking about Azeroth? She perhaps being a First One?
The rest of the quotes seem quite clear.

Of course its Azeroth, its always Azeroth.

While nothing is out of ordinary and not surprising in the slightest, it is interesting that they put Life between Chaos and Void.

[Lahis]

What about an expansion on the moons of azeroth?

That would be way too blatant and desperate right now.

[Zers Editor]

Of course its Azeroth, its always Azeroth.

While nothing is out of ordinary and not surprising in the slightest, it is interesting that they put Life between Chaos and Void.

Makes sense. Life implies for development and growth. Chaos and Void provoke other forces (unknowingly) to develop and grow.

[Lahis]

Of course its Azeroth, its always Azeroth.

While nothing is out of ordinary and not surprising in the slightest, it is interesting that they put Life between Chaos and Void.

Life is unpredictable, just like Void and Chaos.

Light and Order are striving for strict structure of the cosmos, and Death has atleast been built into being so.

[Nyel]

Oh, Shadowlands has redeeming qualities when it comes to lore, storytelling and its narrative? That's indeed breaking news.

[KainneAbsolute]

"Six voices in discord." Legions wins!

[huth]

Of course its Azeroth, its always Azeroth.

While nothing is out of ordinary and not surprising in the slightest, it is interesting that they put Life between Chaos and Void.

I've noted that before. Death, Light and Order all have a common theme, as do Disorder, Life and Void. The former three will all eventually lead to a static, unchanging situation, while the latter are the opposite.

"Six voices in discord." Legions wins!

Nah, they're just all in voice chat yelling at each other.

[Alanar]

Nostalgia chasing is not healthy.

Whats with the stupid one liners the whole time?

[Sentynel]

Whats with the stupid one liners the whole time?

Fortune cookie overdose

[Joszef Kiprich]

Voices without harmony. That really sounds like the beginning of the Silmarillion

[Verdugo]

Whats with the stupid one liners the whole time?

Thats all he has left.

[LordKharon]

So, are these lines foreshadowing 10.0 expansion or 11.0? Because they do not sound "grounded, smaller scope back on Azeroth expansion" at all...

[Santandame]

Some of you lot in this thread really are massive pricks lol.

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Whats with the stupid one liners the whole time?

He will vehemently defend anything Blizzard until his dying breath and will often throw out irrelevant, out of context one liners in his never ending quest to seem a lot more wise and articulate than he actually is.

[Raetary]

So, are these lines foreshadowing 10.0 expansion or 11.0? Because they do not sound "grounded, smaller scope back on Azeroth expansion" at all...

it's just basic background set up.
This stuff doesn't necessarily have to forshadow anything.

I mean, its literally just things everyone remotely interested in wows lore would have already guessed.

[Alanar]

Thats all he has left.

Sad story.

He could use hes cheesy oneliners for a future wow calander! every month a new cringy line.

[huth]

it's just basic background set up.
This stuff doesn't necessarily have to forshadow anything.

I mean, its literally just things everyone remotely interested in wows lore would have already guessed.

It directly relates to the zone itself as well.

[draugril]

They might've been hits, maybe. I do feel from what we've seen that each had a major flaw even beyond the player power aspect which even with the same backing would have been an issue. Islands had the issue of seeking specific treasures which led to pug fights when people wanted different items. Even with more time/backing, these likely would've been loot slot machines. Warfronts were just boring due to the built in wait times inherent in their design. More time might've helped here to narrow down the timing, but the mere design showed why RTS design doesn't fit well in an MMO. Torghast perhaps could've been better as a feature by itself, 9.2 may give us answers there. Covenants...that one had perhaps too much backing & swallowed everything around it. They would've probably been better as cosmetic only with the soulbind/powers split off into something else.

But I do agree that tying them into player power probably hurts them in an overall sense. Pet battles are fun to some & ignored by others, but they'd probably be universally hated if they were required to raid. I think this is partially why housing is so popular while Garrisons were reviled: Garrisons were forced & swallowed everything whereas most player housing systems are just an outside system for casual endgame. Having played a few MMOs during this stretch, WoW definitely could use a better setup for the casual endgame. Suramar was great for that, Korthia just feels weak in comparison.

Dungeons and raid themselves had "major flaws" at the outset. They were given the time and attention to grow as features, though. Unfortunately, they are the prime content to which all other forms are now secondary, and those "secondary" systems, which were the primary source of entertainment for many, are no longer receiving development unto themselves. And heaven forbid any of them actually make the leap from one expansion into the next!

Also, many of the flaws you point out, I would argue, are simply matters of preference rather than actual integral flaws. Unfortunately, the current team has a very narrow view of what a "WoW player" is and, if content doesn't fit into that box, they force it in. Warfronts are a prime example. I love the idea of being a cog in a machine. That isn't going to appeal to everyone. But in the attempt to make it appeal to everyone, they kneecapped the potential of the content. The AI is boring and prescriptive. There is a "solution" to the Warfronts that isn't present in any RTS worth its salt. That solution needs to be there to make it palatable to the masses (even if they'd rather be doing anything else), but it also makes it so that Warfronts do not appeal to who should be their core audience of RTS enthusiasts.

In short, all of these forms of "secondary" content are flawed. But they are flawed by design, not in concept.

[ExiHext]

Sad story.

He could use hes cheesy oneliners for a future wow calander! every month a new cringy line.

It's not like your lines were less "cringe".

[Alanar]

It's not like your lines were less "cringe".

My lines? -.-

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Makes sense. Life implies for development and growth. Chaos and Void provoke other forces (unknowingly) to develop and grow.

Well Life is chaotic in some forms(Mortals sorta and well that overgrowth that happened in Draenor).