Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Sondrelk]

It released one day before July, so saying it released in June might technically be correct but is really disingenous.
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By the way, what the heck are they doing with the PTR? So the preview really was just another very early preview like with 9.1 (I mean it felt like that) and that's why they mostly showed only the environment and nothing of substance. I mean we usually should have gotten 9.2 already in 1-2 weeks and they didn't even get up the PTR yet. Yikes.

The preview was far further along than the 9.1 was. And last week every developer got the week off, so nothing would have been released then anyways.
Taking htat into account we have really only waited a single week for the PTR to drop if we consider actual work days. Not to mention that the announcement happened late in teh week anyways, so it isnt like we are that far behind even assuming the PTR would drop "immediately" after the announcement.

If the PTR doesnt drop this week then we can start talking about a 9.1 situation where the announcement was released to placate outrage even when the PTR was far off, but really even then its plain to see that 9.2 is further along the development cycle than 9.1 was when it was announced.

[Makorus]

This has been their actual M.O. for years. They traditionally draw out and drop the release of major patches, if they're available, during major competitor releases. They do the same with PTRs.

It's unlikely to be exactly on Friday because it would be a mistake to drop something very tech sensitive, a test build, just prior to a weekend and they traditionally don't. But it was a very deliberate choice to drag out the PTR drop til what is likely this week when the assets and build itself were most likely ready prior. Especially since PTR drops have often before accompanied their announcement and this one didn't.

But the announcement did coincidence with when Endwalker WOULD have released if it hadn't been delayed 2 weeks. Hrm.

Not a game vs. game thing I'm peddling here, it's just how Blizzard has done business.

Endwalker is the bigger fish here. No one is gonna pick the PTR over Endwalker. The news cycle will only care about Endwalker. People don't really play PTRs anyway and we got all the interesting bits already anyway.

Blizzard has nothing to gain, and everything to lose.

[Nyel]

If the PTR doesnt drop this week then we can start talking about a 9.1 situation where the announcement was released to placate outrage even when the PTR was far off, but really even then its plain to see that 9.2 is further along the development cycle than 9.1 was when it was announced.

Oh, it better is as we are already delayed for several months. But the impression of the 9.2 preview was just that, another showcase of environmental stuff and visuals while nothing of substance has been showed. They talked a lot about it in the interviews, but the preview lacked anything interesting in that regard. That's why so many found the preview to be so boring overall.

I still wouldn't have imagined that they just start the PTR in December, shortly before they go on a 2-3 week hiatus over the holidays.

[huth]

This is "Light Mayo implies the existance of Dark Mayo" levels of logic.

No, it isn't. In fact, you're the one making the logic mistake here.

Light Mayo doesn't imply Dark Mayo because the 'light' isn't in reference to its brightness, but rather is meant to suggest 'reduced fat'. There are other types of Mayo, and that fact is indeed implied by it being called 'Light Mayo' rather than just 'Mayo'. The error is reading 'light' as 'opposite of dark'.

Zereth Mortis does imply there are other Zereths. It doesn't tell us for certain what they are called, but the idea that they are linked to the other cosmic forces isn't exactly a big leap.

[TheFirstOnes]

You guys do realize they said that this week is most likely PTR week, yes? They had to postpone a whole week cause of the walk outs.

[Sondrelk]

You guys do realize they said that this week is most likely PTR week, yes? They had to postpone a whole week cause of the walk outs.

It wasnt walkouts, it was a vacation given to all relevant employees for Thanksgiving. (Probably given tactically to distract from the WSJ article given it was announced the day before the article, but still)

But who knows, might be more walkouts soon. Pressure against Kotick is rising like always, only question is whether it will amount to something, or if the controversy will blow over like it tends to do in cases like these.

[crusadernero]

It'll be friday because of, you know, Endwalker.

yeez, if a PTR update for wow is considered to cause problems for FF14 in any capacity, that game cant do well. Imagine comparing a PTR update to full blown xpac launch.

Hilarious

[Chickat]

https://youtu.be/-4qwNd7dxow?t=273

Yep. It happened.

Well to be fair that was only 5 seconds, but still lawl.

[Zers Editor]

That new build sure is big.

[Kiivar86]

This is "Light Mayo implies the existance of Dark Mayo" levels of logic. Zereth Mortis is where they make afterlives, but also the baseline for all living creatures: So what the hell would a Vitae Mortis or Umbra Mortis do? Seems like Zereth Mortis has got everything covered. I suppose if fans keep asking for it, Dansuer will just say "sure they exist" just because he's so out of ideas that he just starts lifting ideas from fan headcanons, like Rebecca Sugar or Zach Snyder keeps doing.

Why are you thinking it'd be paired with Mortis?

It'd be Zereth ___, not ____ Mortis. We know Zereth means Keystone apparently and the listing of five others alongside Mortis by this orcale NPC indicate they're the five other domains (or whatever you want to call them). If Death has a Zereth, why not the others?

And where is this "baseline for all living creatures" coming from? Zereth Mortis' role is helping form new Afterlives, that's all, hence why the Forge of Afterlives is at its center.

And to use your example, it isn't "Light Mayo implies Dark Mayo" its "Light Mayo implies Light Cream" or "Light Mayo implies Light Pudding" or somesuch.

[huth]

And to use your example, it isn't "Light Mayo implies Dark Mayo" its "Light Mayo implies Light Cream" or "Light Mayo implies Light Pudding" or somesuch.

Eh, the Light is the right word... it's just that the whole problem there is that it's based of the fact that in english, light means more than one thing. Light Switch implies Heavy Switch would be the same mistake (while a dark switch is technically a thing... it's just the same thing as a light switch).

Thing is, this doesn't apply here. Mortis, Lumen etc. are all in the same category, so Zereth Mortis implies Zereth Tumult is a perfectly sensible statement.

Long story short, Ersula got the logical fallacy involved wrong and thereby commited one themself.

[ExiHext]

It released one day before July, so saying it released in June might technically be correct but is really disingenous.
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By the way, what the heck are they doing with the PTR? So the preview really was just another very early preview like with 9.1 (I mean it felt like that) and that's why they mostly showed only the environment and nothing of substance. I mean we usually should have gotten 9.2 already in 1-2 weeks and they didn't even get up the PTR yet. Yikes.

You throwing out totally baseless assumptions again. Yikes.

[AngerFork]

Bit of a weird tinfoil hat theory here: Is Azeroth the creator of the titans?

I say this because we know of Zereth Mortis being the place where new afterlives are created and the water has been hinted to be a primordial barrier. I can't find it off hand, but I seem to remember there being some lore in place around how Azeroth itself had some sort of barrier around it which is why it couldn't just be directly invaded. It would explain why every power seems to want to control her, not just for her power but for all the new titans she could make to their specifications. It could also explain why the Jailer seems to be in front of a bunch of Azerite if there's some sort of connector's link between the Zereth areas.

[TheFirstOnes]

It wasnt walkouts, it was a vacation given to all relevant employees for Thanksgiving. (Probably given tactically to distract from the WSJ article given it was announced the day before the article, but still)

But who knows, might be more walkouts soon. Pressure against Kotick is rising like always, only question is whether it will amount to something, or if the controversy will blow over like it tends to do in cases like these.

Thanks for correcting me, but I don’t see how that changes anything

[Raetary]

Good vibes today.

[Ersula]

Legit the only history Thrall has with Sylvanas is that she tried to have him killed.

When was that? That's never happened. Are you referring to when she kidnapped him in the hope he could be used as another warrior for the Jailer? She may have been ambivalent to whether or not he survived but that's not the same thing as "trying to have him killed" otherwise we can just point to Maiev trying to assassinate Tyrande & them now being best friends.

[Makorus]

When was that? That's never happened. Are you referring to when she kidnapped him in the hope he could be used as another warrior for the Jailer? She may have been ambivalent to whether or not he survived but that's not the same thing as "trying to have him killed" otherwise we can just point to Maiev trying to assassinate Tyrande & them now being best friends.

When she sent an assassin after him in BFA?

[Sondrelk]

Thanks for correcting me, but I don’t see how that changes anything

A walkout would have attempted to push some change through, and likely wouldn't have ended so arbitrarily with nothing to show for it.
A vacation just ends because that is what vacations do.

[Ersula]

Eh, the Light is the right word... it's just that the whole problem there is that it's based of the fact that in english, light means more than one thing. Light Switch implies Heavy Switch would be the same mistake (while a dark switch is technically a thing... it's just the same thing as a light switch).

Thing is, this doesn't apply here. Mortis, Lumen etc. are all in the same category, so Zereth Mortis implies Zereth Tumult is a perfectly sensible statement.

Long story short, Ersula got the logical fallacy involved wrong and thereby commited one themself.

It's not a logical fallacy. It's just moon logic. You're saying this implies there are multiple of this very specific thing just because they use one word to refer to this thing & that word appears somewhere else. But that's just how words work. If there were a Zereth Mortis & a Zareth Lumen then that would actually imply the existence of 4 others, but that's not the case.

But I get that's to be expected from people who last month were insisting because Zareth had a z a t h in it, it had to be on azeroth. Lol

The Oracle was naming the 6 cosmic forces but Zareth Mortis has as much to do with death as a cosmic force as it does with the other five. This is also where all life comes from, apparently; so I ask again, if all creatures originated on zareth Mortis wtf would a zareth Vitae do?

[Raetary]

When was that? That's never happened.