Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Ersula]

Why are there no Taunka in Shadowlands? Or Tuskarr? Saberon? Pandaren? Vulpera? Highmountain Tauren? Obviously a bias against them....

we literally see all these races in the Shadowlands. A highmountain tauren is a major dead character. ???

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That wasn't an assassination attempt. Sylvanas only ordered to trail Saurfangs accomplices. We already know from the loyalist storyline, she never actually wanted to kill Baine as we allow his escape before it even happens. It was a test to see where everyone's loyalties remained.

[Kiivar86]

It's not a logical fallacy. It's just moon logic. You're saying this implies there are multiple of this very specific thing just because they use one word to refer to this thing & that word appears somewhere else. But that's just how words work. If there were a Zereth Mortis & a Zareth Lumen then that would actually imply the existence of 4 others, but that's not the case.

But I get that's to be expected from people who last month were insisting because Zareth had a z a t h in it, it had to be on azeroth. Lol

Look, we know "Zereth" means keystone. Zereth Mortis is Keystone Death (likely Keystone of Death or something to that effect). It is a logical conclusion, especially when they suddenly introduce five other words that match up thematically with Mortis and also correspond to the other domains, to think there are Zereths of them all.

Could very well be wrong, I'll admit, but to act as if it is an impossibility is silly.

Also the Zereth - Azeroth thing was at most a silly idea (that I and a few others put forward) and we acknowledged it as such. Throwing some things at the wall to see what sticks. Heaven forbid we speculate.

And where are you getting "this is where life comes from"? Everything I've seen says that Zereth Mortis is just an engine that creates new afterlives, nothing about creating life in general.

edit: Ok, I think I found where you're getting that: "ts denizens—the automa—have created all that exists in the Shadowlands, Azeroth, and realms beyond." Fair, that is an odd thing to say, but I don't entirely take it as Zereth Mortis is the origin of lives. It could also well mean that the Automa are present elsewhere and created things.

But most everything else, including the start of the paragraph I took this from, "Zereth Mortis was created by the First Ones, and it's intended to create afterlives.", indicates Zereth Mortis creates afterlives, not life.

[Ersula]

When she sent an assassin after him in BFA?

Implying that wasn't meant for Jaina

[Therougetitan]

Why are there no Taunka in Shadowlands? Or Tuskarr? Saberon? Pandaren? Vulpera? Highmountain Tauren? Obviously a bias against them....

Or maybe they are things of an old expansion who aren't relevant anymore

Tuskarr: Some of the souls around halls of atonement can turn into tuskarr
Saberon: When you do the necrolord campaign you see bestial races like saberon and worgen for the construct races
Pandaren: Seen some around in the early part of Bastion
Vulpera: No solid proof but I believe most of the souls in the maw were vulpera sentenced by the arbiter

[huth]

It's not a logical fallacy. It's just moon logic.

No, it's a fallacy. One that apparently flies so far over your head that you don't even get it when it is explained to you.

"Light Mayo implies Dark Mayo" was never about there not being multiple types of mayo, because there are. It's about confusing the multiple meanings of "light".
Light Mayo certainly does imply that there is a non-light version, because otherwise the qualifier would be meaningless. The same applies to Zereth Mortis. If it was the only Zereth, there'd be no reason to call it anything more.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

A walkout would have attempted to push some change through, and likely wouldn't have ended so arbitrarily with nothing to show for it.
A vacation just ends because that is what vacations do.

They had atlest one (Mabye two) day of walk out the week before they went on vacation trying to get kotick to leave.

The plan was to get the prt up before they went on vacation and the walk out is what likely pushed that plan back.

Here’s the delay blue post.
https://www.mmo-champion.com/content...nd-PTR-Delayed

[huth]

Tuskarr: Some of the souls around halls of atonement can turn into tuskarr
Saberon: When you do the necrolord campaign you see bestial races like saberon and worgen for the construct races
Pandaren: Seen some around in the early part of Bastion
Vulpera: No solid proof but I believe most of the souls in the maw were vulpera sentenced by the arbiter

I think the generic souls in Bastion are just randomly pulled from existing models.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

That wasn't an assassination attempt. Sylvanas only ordered to trail Saurfangs accomplices. We already know from the loyalist storyline, she never actually wanted to kill Baine as we allow his escape before it even happens. It was a test to see where everyone's loyalties remained.

Saurfang said he followed them and both seemingly go for thrall just one geting close lined trying to run past saurfang so from all angles they seem to be trying to kill thrall.

[Sondrelk]

They had atlest one (Mabye two) day of walk out the week before they went on vacation trying to get kotick to leave.

The plan was to get the prt up before they went on vacation and the walk out is what likely pushed that plan back.

Here’s the delay blue post.
https://www.mmo-champion.com/content...nd-PTR-Delayed

Ahh yeah, i faintly remember that did indeed happen.

Guess we will just have to sit and wait for what will happen.

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

I guess it's going live next week or the week after that. I am surprised that they are still gathering applications for the Council.

I really wonder when the Council will go live. I am assuming around the same time as 9.2 Launch. But, it will be interesting to see when that shows up.

[TheFirstOnes]

we literally see all these races in the Shadowlands. A highmountain tauren is a major dead character. ???

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That wasn't an assassination attempt. Sylvanas only ordered to trail Saurfangs accomplices. We already know from the loyalist storyline, she never actually wanted to kill Baine as we allow his escape before it even happens. It was a test to see where everyone's loyalties remained.

The Jailer: lol

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Also, Saurfang FOLLOWED them, not the other way around.

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Meaning they were already on Thralls ass when he got to them

[Hyrja]

Guys, 9.2 PTR is today. Towelliee literally said what content is going to be available and whats not. Jesus christ

[Makabreska]

Saurfang said he followed them and both seemingly go for thrall just one geting close lined trying to run past saurfang so from all angles they seem to be trying to kill thrall.

You are arguing with the guy who recently said that burning down the Teldrassil was an act of mercy, because all those nelves lived long enough and were most likely fed up with their lives. There is no point, he will bend literally everything to defend Sylvi.

[Nyel]

You throwing out totally baseless assumptions again. Yikes.

Yeah, watching their work ethic at the moment it's totally baseless. Totally!

[Lorgar Aurelian]

You are arguing with the guy who recently said that burning down the Teldrassil was an act of mercy, because all those nelves lived long enough and were most likely fed up with their lives. There is no point, he will bend literally everything to defend Sylvi.

Can you link/quote that post? That sounds insane.

[Nyel]

Guys, 9.2 PTR is today. Towelliee literally said what content is going to be available and whats not. Jesus christ

Does it really matter though? It's December. Vacations in two weeks. I think it barely matters if it's live today, tomorrow or middle of next week, not much is going to happen anyway.

[Valysar]

Does it really matter though? It's December. Vacations in two weeks. I think it barely matters if it's live today, tomorrow or middle of next week, not much is going to happen anyway.

And they won't listen to our feedbacks, soooo...
Just kidding, or not ?

[Sondrelk]

Does it really matter though? It's December. Vacations in two weeks. I think it barely matters if it's live today, tomorrow or middle of next week, not much is going to happen anyway.

Just because the devs won't be actively patching stuff doesn't mean it's pointless. Loads of feedback and date is gathered during the time they are on vacation, and when they return they wont really be behind compared to of they waited until they could devote their fully attention to it.

At worst players will find some gamebreaking bug that won't be fixed until next year, but honestly who really cares. It's the PTR, and either we get something, or we get nothing.
I will happily take something that has a chance of being broken than nothing when it comes to PTR.

[Relapses]

Does it really matter though? It's December. Holidays in two weeks. I think it barely matters if it's live today, tomorrow or middle of next week, not much is going to happen anyway.

Does anything matter? It's a bit early for existential dread, isn't it?

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

I mean I just want more narrative leaks at this point in time. Maybe see some Raid dialogue leaks, could be nifty.