Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Aeluron Lightsong]

And when Ion leaves, it's gonna be the same story as when Holinka left after everyone said he "ruined PVP": Nothings gonna change.

Because game development is a team effort. The glorification and demonification of lead devs is so embarassing.

Well at least some of the creeps were pointed out and kicked out(Well ones that were mentioned in the lawsuit).

[huth]

However, these 2 dudes have to manually greenlight every single design decision thought up by another developer.

No, they don't. They only deal with the high-level stuff. Nothing would get done if they worked the way you claim.

[Palapop]

Shadowlands "success" has nothing to do with cosmic expansion or not - its a product of launch patch overstaying few months AND 9.1 being dogshit and also lasting longer than it ever should have.

Oh how i wish these 2 were the only problems of Shitlands.... or even the biggest problems out of many...

[Teriz]

They are going to have to pull a Hail Mary. I think they are going to pull their trump card Arthas out for 10.0. Not sure what the theme or location will be, but I bet Arthas is involved.

I doubt we're going to be doing another death expansion after we just had a death expansion with Shadowlands. I have a feeling that the next expansion is going to be completely opposite of the current expansion thematically.

Which is good for the health of the game.

[Palapop]

Legion was combination of fresh ideas (some good, some bad, as always), long wait after very barren expansion and culmination of story that started Warcraft for many (most?) people. And proof that Blizzard shouldn't give a shit about min-maxers (9.0 kinda proves it too, but in other way).

Despite fact that 7.0 was objectively worse design that any patch after it, hype was real. Cause it's better when hardcores complain doing Maw of Souls 24/7 or RNG legos then casuals complaining there is 200 item level ceiling and leaving game.

Tbh, I'll never EVER understand why people glorify Legion that much.

Imo, it was 1 of the worst exps. It's the point where it all went EXTREMELY downhill.

borrowed power grinds
rng legendary items
COMPELTELY ruined pvp
completely ruined professions (crafting especially)
community boosting shit-fest came live in that expansion
removed pvp/pve vendors
introduced countless ilvls per patch (from 2 'tier sets' per patch, up to 4+ )
DESTROYED/homogenized classes.....

etc, etc, etc...

[Aeluron Lightsong]

I don't think Legion was THAT bad, but it was shat on despite what MMO-Champion forums have you believe.

[Dracullus]

Imo, it was 1 of the worst exps. It's the point where it all went EXTREMELY downhill.

Damn Ion, everything was going so smoothly during WoD and he (personally) HAD TO destroy it.

[Gaidax]

Tbh, I'll never EVER understand why people glorify Legion that much.

Because Legion had SHITTON of quality content all the way from great raids and dungeons, introduction of M+, class questlines with unique weapons/halls, new class AND it had some amazing areas with Suramar.

That expansion was huge.

The stuff you mention are mostly mechanical issues, but it does not change the fact that Legion was amazing expansion overall.

One of the worst? Bruh... what are you even smoking.

[Palapop]

Because Legion had SHITTON of quality content all the way from great raids and dungeons, introduction of M+, class questlines with unique weapons/halls, new class AND it had some amazing areas with Suramar.

That expansion was huge.

The stuff you mention are mostly mechanical issues, but it does not change the fact that Legion was amazing expansion overall.

One of the worst? Bruh... what are you even smoking.

All these tremendous system changes you call "mechanical issues"?

I didn't smoke anything. Can't we just agree to disagree?

About class halls and class quests + Suramar questline- I agree completely. It was GREAT thing to do (even lorewise some campaigns were beyond crap (paladin especially)). Suramar was beautiful. Yes. But, pretty much, that's all of it. 7.2 was huge letdown imo.

Dungeons and raids were awesome in every single expansion so far. Yes, even in WOD.

But honestly, I pref CM over M+.

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Damn Ion, everything was going so smoothly during WoD and he (personally) HAD TO destroy it.

dungeons and raids were EPIC in WOD
pvp was EPIC
class design was COOL (downgrade from MOP, yes. but 100x better than Legion).

Also, WOD have brought us new race models. Why no one ever mentions that?

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Some of us aren't hating WoD, merely pointing out how people saw the expansion.


Edit: No I wouldn't say WoD=Great design

[Edward Wu]

WoD is pure unfiltered greatness compared to Shadowlands.

Watch the in-game cinematic trailer and tell me that doesn't move you, it's filled to the brim with soul and passion and feels like WARCRAFT:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYueIdI_2L0

[Revamp Man]

WoD is pure unfiltered greatness compared to Shadowlands.

Watch the in-game cinematic trailer and tell me that doesn't move you, it's filled to the brim with soul and passion and feels like WARCRAFT:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYueIdI_2L0

WoD had great design with a lack of content
SL is shit design with decent content

[Bluespiderman57]

WoD had great design with a lack of content
SL is shit design with decent content

Fucking preach, though I don't know if I would even call it lack of content. More like discarded content. If Blizz had actually developed the content we had seen in the earlier builds, especially following a similar format they used in MoP, instead of focusing so much on garrisons, there would have been enough fantastic quality content and story to last 2.5 years. Maybe even 3.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Fucking preach, though I don't know if I would even call it lack of content. More like discarded content. If Blizz had actually developed the content we had seen in the earlier builds, especially following a similar format they used in MoP, instead of focusing so much on garrisons, there would have been enough fantastic quality content and story to last 2.5 years. Maybe even 3.

Well it was lack of content the expansion ended short. In a way like SL just without the Pandemic hindering it.

[Dracullus]

WoD had great design with a lack of content
SL is shit design with decent content

YES! YES! I remember how everyone was LOVING WoD between it launched and 6.2 drought! These amazing dailies, Ashran, awesome reps with simple design of mob grinding (and simple rewards like 50 reskins of boars and wolves), dungeons that were left in dirt after 3 weeks as they should be and king of good design - Garrison! Also, how I miss my Arms Warrior with 2 buttons, what a time to be alive. Only problem was we didn't have MORE of these!

Jesus Christ people, shit you wrote is so ridicolous that only sarcasm mode 24/7 let you cope with this. Soon we will need WoD Classic to show people that no, it wasn't great design xD.

[therumblings]

People will be asking for SL Classic one day too

[Cosmic Janitor]

WoD was awful from the first day to the second week and then from the 4th week until the end. In the beginning it was so borked and overrun many couldn't play, then we had a short respite with leveling which was good and then it fell over the edge with endgame being a lame unless you really liked playing the garrison facebook game and/or raiding the 3 raids. Seriously, if it weren't for the leveling being decent and some people glorifing the raiding to no end, no one would even want to remember that expansion.

[TheFirstOnes]

No one liked Ashran.

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WoD is pure unfiltered greatness compared to Shadowlands.

Watch the in-game cinematic trailer and tell me that doesn't move you, it's filled to the brim with soul and passion and feels like WARCRAFT:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYueIdI_2L0

Feel and experience apparently are relative in your mind.

[shise]

I see dragons... just saying ^^
Packs.. of dragons.

[Nyel]

Tbh, I'll never EVER understand why people glorify Legion that much.

Imo, it was 1 of the worst exps. It's the point where it all went EXTREMELY downhill.

borrowed power grinds
rng legendary items
COMPELTELY ruined pvp
completely ruined professions (crafting especially)
community boosting shit-fest came live in that expansion
removed pvp/pve vendors
introduced countless ilvls per patch (from 2 'tier sets' per patch, up to 4+ )
DESTROYED/homogenized classes.....

etc, etc, etc...

Everything worked pretty well during Legion and in the context of Legion. The problem was, the transition to BfA was badly done and that's why the first months of BfA felt so terrible.