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    Quote Originally Posted by Palapop View Post
    Tbh, I'll never EVER understand why people glorify Legion that much.

    Imo, it was 1 of the worst exps. It's the point where it all went EXTREMELY downhill.

    borrowed power grinds
    rng legendary items
    COMPELTELY ruined pvp
    completely ruined professions (crafting especially)
    community boosting shit-fest came live in that expansion
    removed pvp/pve vendors
    introduced countless ilvls per patch (from 2 'tier sets' per patch, up to 4+ )
    DESTROYED/homogenized classes.....

    etc, etc, etc...
    Well, and I will never understand people shitting on Legion, especially after WoD. And ESPECIALLY when they say M+ is a bad feature.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeluron Lightsong View Post
    I don't think Legion was THAT bad, but it was shat on despite what MMO-Champion forums have you believe.
    The majority of early Legion hate I saw was from people who just couldn't/didn't want to accept game is improving after WoD and were trying so hard slander it for others. If next expansion greatly improves the game, then I expect same shit going on, just more of it.
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    SL does indeed have the worst art design and overall aesthetic in the history of the franchise, as well as having the blandest and most recycled content - choreghast, maw, korthia (maw 2.0).
    hopefully the dragon pack art is indicative of the next xpac's art design, will be very refreshing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zexaniro View Post
    SL does indeed have the worst art design and overall aesthetic in the history of the franchise, as well as having the blandest and most recycled content - choreghast, maw, korthia (maw 2.0).
    hopefully the dragon pack art is indicative of the next xpac's art design, will be very refreshing
    You´ve got to be kidding right now.

    Probably, everyone agrees that this has the best looking art and gear WoW might have ever seen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shise View Post
    You´ve got to be kidding right now.

    Probably, everyone agrees that this has the best looking art and gear WoW might have ever seen.
    Art? Maybe. Gear? No way.

    And while the art is usually praised, many players criticize that it's not Warcraft - and there I agree. While Shadowlands has a beautiful art style, it's as far away from Warcraft as it could be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyel View Post
    Art? Maybe. Gear? No way.

    And while the art is usually praised, many players criticize that it's not Warcraft - and there I agree. While Shadowlands has a beautiful art style, it's as far away from Warcraft as it could be.
    …What? Why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyel View Post
    Art? Maybe. Gear? No way.

    And while the art is usually praised, many players criticize that it's not Warcraft - and there I agree. While Shadowlands has a beautiful art style, it's as far away from Warcraft as it could be.
    What's wrong with Nathria crusader plate set, or plague doctor cloth? Or Sauron-like gear from SoD? Aren't they "wow-like"? Is this the case of "final tier is shit, therefore everything is"? Also, "this is not Warcraft" was always a moot point, since things change and evolve and SL was by design supposed to feel alien.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shise View Post
    You´ve got to be kidding right now.

    Probably, everyone agrees that this has the best looking art and gear WoW might have ever seen.
    I mean, I'm sure the art designers are talented and all, but the entire art 'direction' this xpac is v unappealing imo. Oribos/Maw aesthetics are terrible

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    Shadowlands' aesthetic and art design is beatifiul.

    but...bastion is blue skyhold, ardenweald is purple valshara, maldraxxus is green naxxramas, revendreth is red gilneas, maw is hellish icecrown citadel, and oribos is floating titanic city. Nothing new.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyel View Post
    Art? Maybe. Gear? No way.

    And while the art is usually praised, many players criticize that it's not Warcraft - and there I agree. While Shadowlands has a beautiful art style, it's as far away from Warcraft as it could be.
    I don't see it.

    The zones, if anything, are too close to original zones as-is. For a completely different plane of (un)existence it is remarkably normal to Warcraft's aesthetic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shise View Post
    You´ve got to be kidding right now.

    Probably, everyone agrees that this has the best looking art and gear WoW might have ever seen.
    Technically, perhaps. But I don't appreciate the aesthetic at all, even if it is expertly crafted. In a word, I ironically find the current art to be completely soulless.

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    This "NOt warcraft" is basically Anything that didn't spawn WCIII is somehow bad. People miss the point.
    #TeamLegion #UnderEarthofAzerothexpansion plz #Arathor4Alliance #TeamNoBlueHorde

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeluron Lightsong View Post
    This "NOt warcraft" is basically Anything that didn't spawn WCIII is somehow bad. People miss the point.
    Yeah. Agreed.
    Anything new is not "warcraft". Only retreading pre established lore and locations seems to be "warcraft".
    It's just regular aversion to change. Pandaria rings a bell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugnomo View Post
    Yeah. Agreed.
    Anything new is not "warcraft". Only retreading pre established lore and locations seems to be "warcraft".
    It's just regular aversion to change. Pandaria rings a bell.
    Anyone who likes Bluether should be instantly disregarded for their opinion on anything Warcraft-related.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aeluron Lightsong View Post
    This "NOt warcraft" is basically Anything that didn't spawn WCIII
    Close, but not quite.

    Anything not thought up by Metzen is not Warcraft. Metzen created the world. Danuser hollowed it out and is wearing its skin as a trophy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edward Wu View Post
    Close, but not quite.

    Anything not thought up by Metzen is not Warcraft. Metzen created the world. Danuser hollowed it out and is wearing its skin as a trophy.
    That would maybe hold truth, if it was Chris Metzen's World of Warcraft. But it's just World of Warcraft.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edward Wu View Post
    Anyone who likes Bluether should be instantly disregarded for their opinion on anything Warcraft-related.
    Wow, what a compelling argument to make from someone who likes WoD. Look I can do it too!

    "Anyone who likes time travelling story should be instantly disregarded for their opinion on anything Warcraft-related.", next you are going to say that "Draenor is free!!!" is peak writing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheFirstOnes View Post
    …What? Why?
    It's because they're going into a cosmic/alien aesthetic which is a departure from the high fantasy aesthetic that we're used to. So yeah, it looks good, but it doesn't look like Warcraft. It's part of the reason why Bastion was people's least favorite zone in Shadowlands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    It's because they're going into a cosmic/alien aesthetic which is a departure from the high fantasy aesthetic that we're used to. So yeah, it looks good, but it doesn't look like Warcraft.
    Casual reminder we had a sci-fi space zone in BC, where goblins wanted to shoot a rocket into Nether, where we raided a literall space ship, and where part of that ship crash landed on Azeroth and brought us a new, space traveling race. Just becasue you don't like the theme it does not mean it's not WoW.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    Casual reminder we had a sci-fi space zone in BC, where goblins wanted to shoot a rocket into Nether, where we raided a literall space ship, and where part of that ship crash landed on Azeroth and brought us a new, space traveling race. Just becasue you don't like the theme it does not mean it's not WoW.
    Well I never said I didn't like it, but I am indifferent towards it. It doesn't instill a sense of wonder like Pandaria, the Broken Isles, Zandalar or Kul'Tiras did. I know that WoW has sci-fi elements within it, but I would argue that 9.2's setting goes beyond even the stuff we saw in BC or Legion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    That would maybe hold truth, if it was Chris Metzen's World of Warcraft. But it's just World of Warcraft.
    Non-argument. Metzen literally thought up the world and its characters. It's his brainchild. Metzen is literally the author of Warcraft. Danuser coming in is akin to Christopher Tolkien trying to finish his father's work. Sure, it can be done. It's just not actually the world of LOTR but fanfiction.

    No amount of semantics will dispute this point as its ironclad truth. Cope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edward Wu View Post
    Anyone who likes Bluether should be instantly disregarded for their opinion on anything Warcraft-related.


    Close, but not quite.

    Anything not thought up by Metzen is not Warcraft. Metzen created the world. Danuser hollowed it out and is wearing its skin as a trophy.
    Aww the wittle baby can't handle people liking things that he doesn't. I'll find the pacifier.

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