Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[TheFirstOnes]

No one liked Ashran.

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WoD is pure unfiltered greatness compared to Shadowlands.

Watch the in-game cinematic trailer and tell me that doesn't move you, it's filled to the brim with soul and passion and feels like WARCRAFT:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYueIdI_2L0

Feel and experience apparently are relative in your mind.

[shise]

I see dragons... just saying ^^
Packs.. of dragons.

[Nyel]

Tbh, I'll never EVER understand why people glorify Legion that much.

Imo, it was 1 of the worst exps. It's the point where it all went EXTREMELY downhill.

borrowed power grinds
rng legendary items
COMPELTELY ruined pvp
completely ruined professions (crafting especially)
community boosting shit-fest came live in that expansion
removed pvp/pve vendors
introduced countless ilvls per patch (from 2 'tier sets' per patch, up to 4+ )
DESTROYED/homogenized classes.....

etc, etc, etc...

Everything worked pretty well during Legion and in the context of Legion. The problem was, the transition to BfA was badly done and that's why the first months of BfA felt so terrible.

[Makabreska]

Tbh, I'll never EVER understand why people glorify Legion that much.

Imo, it was 1 of the worst exps. It's the point where it all went EXTREMELY downhill.

borrowed power grinds
rng legendary items
COMPELTELY ruined pvp
completely ruined professions (crafting especially)
community boosting shit-fest came live in that expansion
removed pvp/pve vendors
introduced countless ilvls per patch (from 2 'tier sets' per patch, up to 4+ )
DESTROYED/homogenized classes.....

etc, etc, etc...

Well, and I will never understand people shitting on Legion, especially after WoD. And ESPECIALLY when they say M+ is a bad feature.

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I don't think Legion was THAT bad, but it was shat on despite what MMO-Champion forums have you believe.

The majority of early Legion hate I saw was from people who just couldn't/didn't want to accept game is improving after WoD and were trying so hard slander it for others. If next expansion greatly improves the game, then I expect same shit going on, just more of it.

[Zexaniro]

SL does indeed have the worst art design and overall aesthetic in the history of the franchise, as well as having the blandest and most recycled content - choreghast, maw, korthia (maw 2.0).
hopefully the dragon pack art is indicative of the next xpac's art design, will be very refreshing

[shise]

SL does indeed have the worst art design and overall aesthetic in the history of the franchise, as well as having the blandest and most recycled content - choreghast, maw, korthia (maw 2.0).
hopefully the dragon pack art is indicative of the next xpac's art design, will be very refreshing

You´ve got to be kidding right now.

Probably, everyone agrees that this has the best looking art and gear WoW might have ever seen.

[Nyel]

You´ve got to be kidding right now.

Probably, everyone agrees that this has the best looking art and gear WoW might have ever seen.

Art? Maybe. Gear? No way.

And while the art is usually praised, many players criticize that it's not Warcraft - and there I agree. While Shadowlands has a beautiful art style, it's as far away from Warcraft as it could be.

[TheFirstOnes]

Art? Maybe. Gear? No way.

And while the art is usually praised, many players criticize that it's not Warcraft - and there I agree. While Shadowlands has a beautiful art style, it's as far away from Warcraft as it could be.

…What? Why?

[Makabreska]

Art? Maybe. Gear? No way.

And while the art is usually praised, many players criticize that it's not Warcraft - and there I agree. While Shadowlands has a beautiful art style, it's as far away from Warcraft as it could be.

What's wrong with Nathria crusader plate set, or plague doctor cloth? Or Sauron-like gear from SoD? Aren't they "wow-like"? Is this the case of "final tier is shit, therefore everything is"? Also, "this is not Warcraft" was always a moot point, since things change and evolve and SL was by design supposed to feel alien.

[Zexaniro]

You´ve got to be kidding right now.

Probably, everyone agrees that this has the best looking art and gear WoW might have ever seen.

I mean, I'm sure the art designers are talented and all, but the entire art 'direction' this xpac is v unappealing imo. Oribos/Maw aesthetics are terrible

[olddog]

Shadowlands' aesthetic and art design is beatifiul.

but...bastion is blue skyhold, ardenweald is purple valshara, maldraxxus is green naxxramas, revendreth is red gilneas, maw is hellish icecrown citadel, and oribos is floating titanic city. Nothing new.

[Kiivar86]

Art? Maybe. Gear? No way.

And while the art is usually praised, many players criticize that it's not Warcraft - and there I agree. While Shadowlands has a beautiful art style, it's as far away from Warcraft as it could be.

I don't see it.

The zones, if anything, are too close to original zones as-is. For a completely different plane of (un)existence it is remarkably normal to Warcraft's aesthetic.

[draugril]

You´ve got to be kidding right now.

Probably, everyone agrees that this has the best looking art and gear WoW might have ever seen.

Technically, perhaps. But I don't appreciate the aesthetic at all, even if it is expertly crafted. In a word, I ironically find the current art to be completely soulless.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

This "NOt warcraft" is basically Anything that didn't spawn WCIII is somehow bad. People miss the point.

[Hugnomo]

This "NOt warcraft" is basically Anything that didn't spawn WCIII is somehow bad. People miss the point.

Yeah. Agreed.
Anything new is not "warcraft". Only retreading pre established lore and locations seems to be "warcraft".
It's just regular aversion to change. Pandaria rings a bell.

[Edward Wu]

Yeah. Agreed.
Anything new is not "warcraft". Only retreading pre established lore and locations seems to be "warcraft".
It's just regular aversion to change. Pandaria rings a bell.

Anyone who likes Bluether should be instantly disregarded for their opinion on anything Warcraft-related.

This "NOt warcraft" is basically Anything that didn't spawn WCIII

Close, but not quite.

Anything not thought up by Metzen is not Warcraft. Metzen created the world. Danuser hollowed it out and is wearing its skin as a trophy.

[Makabreska]

Close, but not quite.

Anything not thought up by Metzen is not Warcraft. Metzen created the world. Danuser hollowed it out and is wearing its skin as a trophy.

That would maybe hold truth, if it was Chris Metzen's World of Warcraft. But it's just World of Warcraft.

[Nask]

Anyone who likes Bluether should be instantly disregarded for their opinion on anything Warcraft-related.

Wow, what a compelling argument to make from someone who likes WoD. Look I can do it too!

"Anyone who likes time travelling story should be instantly disregarded for their opinion on anything Warcraft-related.", next you are going to say that "Draenor is free!!!" is peak writing?

[Teriz]

…What? Why?

It's because they're going into a cosmic/alien aesthetic which is a departure from the high fantasy aesthetic that we're used to. So yeah, it looks good, but it doesn't look like Warcraft. It's part of the reason why Bastion was people's least favorite zone in Shadowlands.

[Makabreska]

It's because they're going into a cosmic/alien aesthetic which is a departure from the high fantasy aesthetic that we're used to. So yeah, it looks good, but it doesn't look like Warcraft.

Casual reminder we had a sci-fi space zone in BC, where goblins wanted to shoot a rocket into Nether, where we raided a literall space ship, and where part of that ship crash landed on Azeroth and brought us a new, space traveling race. Just becasue you don't like the theme it does not mean it's not WoW.