Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Gaidax]

That’s literally ALL i’m seeing in this thread and almost any other WOW thread: hate. I was excited to enter this thread to read all of the theories and speculation. Its sad…

It's just people going crazy over these insane content patch gaps, which is an issue for Blizzard to fix.

I maintain that if Blizzard would keep their 6 months major content patches cadence and put out something more meaty instead of Korthia - there'd be less negativity overall.

Ultimately Blizzard need to do better with WoW, but it's not really the end of the world worst version of WoW either.

I really think Blizzard need to do some changes to WoW content delivery scheme, so that new major content patches are delivered every 4 months. Even if it would mean smaller raids and maybe one less area on expansion launch reserved for the x.1 patch. The good would outweigh the bad that way.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

It's just people going crazy over these insane content patch gaps, which is an issue for Blizzard to fix.

I maintain that if Blizzard would keep their 6 months major content patches cadence and put out something more meaty instead of Korthia - there'd be less negativity overall.

Ultimately Blizzard need to do better with WoW, but it's not really the end of the world worst version of WoW either.

I'd wish they kept with 9.1 as a more filler(As in less stuff in it but .2 patch is when big stuff comes in. Then .3(Not whatever formula BFA was following again not hating on it, even BFA has gems in it).

[Gaidax]

I'd wish they kept with 9.1 as a more filler(As in less stuff in it but .2 patch is when big stuff comes in. Then .3(Not whatever formula BFA was following again not hating on it, even BFA has gems in it).

The problem of 9.1 is that Korthia is really dogshit and Maw which hosted some new content was already boring people to tears after 8 months of 9.0/9.0.5.

Then they sort of shot themselves in a foot by pretty much obsoleting Tazavesh from the get go, not to mention that it or part of it could make a decent area on its own - much more interesting than this floating rock of nothingness that is Korthia.

But still if 9.1 would come 5-6 months straight after launch and we'd be in 9.2 right now - people would be much less restless. Sure, you'd still have these memes about how it's WOD because x.2 last patch blah blah, but that's usual bullshitry going on in MMO-C for a decade.

I personally don't give a flying fudge how long/short expansion is, what's important is that spice must flow. And it's just not flowing too well in SL.

[ExiHext]

That’s literally ALL i’m seeing in this thread and almost any other WOW thread: hate. I was excited to enter this thread to read all of the theories and speculation. Its sad…

To be fair: as soon as you ignore the usual doomsayers the thread becomes bearable...and much shorter. And as @Sondrelk pointed out: as soon as there are news to speculate about the thread gets much more interesting. Unless it's about the Crown of Wills.

[Revamp Man]

YES! YES! I remember how everyone was LOVING WoD between it launched and 6.2 drought! These amazing dailies, Ashran, awesome reps with simple design of mob grinding (and simple rewards like 50 reskins of boars and wolves), dungeons that were left in dirt after 3 weeks as they should be and king of good design - Garrison! Also, how I miss my Arms Warrior with 2 buttons, what a time to be alive. Only problem was we didn't have MORE of these!

Jesus Christ people, shit you wrote is so ridicolous that only sarcasm mode 24/7 let you cope with this. Soon we will need WoD Classic to show people that no, it wasn't great design xD.

You know why I say the systems were better??
Because in order to play my alt all I needed was gear and the class was complete. In SL I need gear, conduits, soulbind/covenant ability, and legendary, most of these were time gated. The ring wasn’t something that you needed in order for your class to not feel like hot garbage instead it was something to help kill shit

Raid skips were in day 1 instead of added later because they forgot something that’s existed for 8 years.

They differentiated between lfr and the other raid difficulties by giving lfr its own gear in both design and bonuses which kept the tryhards from complaining about being forced into lfr while letting those players who like lfr to feel rewarded (changed because how dare they not let lfr players have the exact same rewards for killing the exact same bosses….but with the dangerous mechanics removed)

They started the raid gear cache which personally I didn’t like but overall it allowed players to gain gear a difficulty higher thus improving their chance at progression

But you are right that the content like dailies and the reps were lacking. The only thing I liked from the dailies were the BoE farming. The garrison invasions and buildings were a let down in terms of stuff you could do. Getting the ashes on blackhand and the ball on oregorger rewarded you with a statue and a generic mount. You could switch professions on a dime and were limited on how many crafted pieces you could use. You literally had nothing outside of the garrison other than dungeons because you could get everything from your garrison including the AH and bank. You didn’t even need augment runes because after so much tanaan you could buy a permanent one…just like every expansion other than SL. While the pathfinder being introduced is something I’m ok with, the fact you would cap before doing all the quests meant you had to retrace your steps. The world bosses gave worse loot than dungeons. Overall while you weren’t feeling compelled to log on every day you also didn’t really have anything that couldn’t wait….until they added weekly events.

[AngerFork]

But still if 9.1 would come 5-6 months straight after launch and we'd be in 9.2 right now - people would be much less restless. Sure, you'd still have these memes about how it's WOD because x.2 last patch blah blah, but that's usual bullshitry going on in MMO-C for a decade.

I personally don't give a flying fudge how long/short expansion is, what's important is that spice must flow. And it's just not flowing too well in SL.

I tend to agree. Pretty much every expansion has had a certain amount of problems with it, but the content flow seems to cover up those issues and/or gives Blizz a better chance to fix them. Legion had a ton of issues...Legiondaries for instance. But it also had that 77-day content cadence so there was always something new to be excited about, not to mention giving the team a good window to fix the issues they had within the game. SL on the other hand has had nothing short of a drought of content. There's just not enough to do, so issues tend to stand out more, especially when store mounts have still had a similar release cadence as before. I have to wonder how 9.1 would have been accepted content-wise had it been out in April...probably a ton better, I'd guess. 9.2 has some cool stuff to be sure, but since we'll be getting it so much later than usual it will probably feel like not enough new content for the time it took.

[Revamp Man]

To be fair: as soon as you ignore the usual doomsayers the thread becomes bearable...and much shorter. And as @Sondrelk pointed out: as soon as there are news to speculate about the thread gets much more interesting. Unless it's about the Crown of Wills.

We can use the crown of wills to figure out the replacement for the lich king
It has to match the crown transition so we have to go from a well crafted thoroughly designed character to one generic and bland in comparison….Sylvanas.


I’m thinking 10.0 based on what we have is set as dragons and I’m hoping new class and no expansion based power system

[Tyris Flare]

It's just people going crazy over these insane content patch gaps, which is an issue for Blizzard to fix.

I maintain that if Blizzard would keep their 6 months major content patches cadence and put out something more meaty instead of Korthia - there'd be less negativity overall.

This is 100% true. Familiarity breeds contempt, and the longer the patch the more bitter people become. Legion's cadence is a major reason it is so well-regarded despite its problems.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Non-argument. Metzen literally thought up the world and its characters. It's his brainchild. Metzen is literally the author of Warcraft. Danuser coming in is akin to Christopher Tolkien trying to finish his father's work. Sure, it can be done. It's just not actually the world of LOTR but fanfiction.

No amount of semantics will dispute this point as its ironclad truth. Cope.

Metzen cant really be compared to Tolkien, while metzen laid the foundation from early on with wc 1-3 he had others help build most of world past that with wow rather that be golden fleshing out the orcs and thrall Knaak with the dragons and war of Ancients or just Alex and other writers working on zones and quest.

[Dracullus]

You know why I say the systems were better??
Because in order to play my alt all I needed was gear and the class was complete.

Tend to happen when there is jack shit to do on main (also not 100% true, there was also legendary questline and people min-maxed garrison for free pieces of gear from current or even higher difiiculty you completed). That was good side effect of horrible and outdated design, not good design.

Of course system where extra stuff to do like in Legion (so people with 1 char has some content for character progress), but completely account-wide (so people with alts have their freedom) would be superior to both older and modern design. But it was Legion, right now in 9.1.5 we are pretty close to that, especially if new stuff from 9.2 will be either account-wide (flying, 2nd lego) or not relevant for progression.

[AngerFork]

In retrospect, I have to wonder how much of this comes from the seeming thought that a major patch needs to have a large raid behind it. As we get more content types & more content setup, I feel like that is really holding back the dev team. Imagine how different things might look if we had a patch launch in March 2021 with Tazavesh, some Torghast updates, & a bit of plot exposition. At the very least, Tazavesh would feel far less like wasted effort than it seems to currently...it probably would've been a solid gearing boost to help with Nathria until SoD was ready. Mechagon was kind of covered up by Nazjatar in the same way, though it had more to do overall.

Compare that with the updated Karazhan dungeon that released in 7.1 alongside a fairly small Trial of Valor raid. It had it's own room to breathe which allowed it to feel important, plus it gave a good gearing step to prep for the Nighthold raid which was released about three months later. I ran that one quite a few times for gear whereas Tazavesh I ran twice (once on Normal, once on Hard for the mount) & never looked at it again.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Its not so much a big patch having to have a raid. Blizz had a decent formula like in Mist. .1 was sorta smallish then .2 was big, then .3 was bigish. It worked didn't need to change except whats in the patches outside of new zone and raid).

[Dracullus]

Its not so much a big patch having to have a raid. Blizz had a decent formula like in Mist. .1 was sorta smallish then .2 was big, then .3 was bigish. It worked didn't need to change except whats in the patches outside of new zone and raid).

It's not good formula when patches launch only during first half of expansion. Legion had perfect balance and timing, we don't really need other examples. Moving raid/season to minor patches was genius move - but that require fast X.1, where both SL and BfA failed.

Few years ago I thought 7.0 and 7.1 could be little longer to make patches even more close to each other, but I changed mind. Keeping momentum on first months is very imporant as well as giving few months to breathe before next expac.

[Edward Wu]

I personally don't think the expansion will be The Dragon Isles at all. I think people got it correct with Legion but ever since then the guesses have been way off.

I think we will get something that is not as expected. Maybe a Xalatath/Ethereal expansion out in space.

[Makabreska]

I personally don't think the expansion will be The Dragon Isles at all. I think people got it correct with Legion but ever since then the guesses have been way off.

I think we will get something that is not as expected. Maybe a Xalatath/Ethereal expansion out in space.

They still heavily implied more down-to-earth Azeroth expac.

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

I have a hard time believing the two ideas people have come up with that are the likeliest in their minds are the ones that will happen: Light or Dragon Isles.

Obviously I am biased as I want them to take a step back and chill out and not remove themselves from Azeroth again by coating an Azeroth based expansion with something else laying on top of what is discernably the best idea for 10.0 in a new starting point for the canon with Azeroth as the starting point.

[Makorus]

I wish people would stop acting like Metzens writing was any better than Danusers.

Anything people criticize with Danuser, also applies to Metzen. If you bitch about Danuser, but praise Metzen in the same sentence, then you might need to get your brain checked.

[Makabreska]

I wish people would stop acting like Metzens writing was any better than Danusers.

Anything people criticize with Danuser, also applies to Metzen. If you bitch about Danuser, but praise Metzen in the same sentence, then you might need to get your brain checked.

Oh yes, did they all forgot Green Jesus?

[Slowpoke is a Gamer]

They still heavily implied more down-to-earth Azeroth expac.

I mean not even implied.

They said a grounded expansion. So it's not gonna be space or Lifelands.





Though have we all stopped talking seriously about BFA 2? Because if that's the best we have then this game is doomed.

[huth]

Oh yes, did they all forgot Green Jesus?

Or the Draenei.

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I mean not even implied.

They said a grounded expansion. So it's not gonna be space or Lifelands.





Though have we all stopped talking seriously about BFA 2? Because if that's the best we have then this game is doomed.

Well, MoP was also grounded. So there's a range of possibilities. Personally, i'd prefer something 1001 nights style.