1. #16261
    Quote Originally Posted by Palapop View Post
    lol what?

    Don't mix ART and graphic technologies here (eg comparing Elwynn 2004 to Elysian hold 2020)

    Some zones and sceneries are pretty, yes (Elysian hold, some of views in Ardenweald....) But that's it. Just pretty.

    Def far, far above "the best wow has ever been". lol

    Did you ever visit Crystalsong Forest? Nexus? Vash'jr? Arathi Highlands? Tiragarde? Stormsong? Vol'dun (even tho I hate deserts)? Storm Peaks?

    If something "looks uglier" because it has less pixels, it doesn't mean it's actually uglier. Imagine all these zones with todays technologies.

    Yes- SL is boring and bland.
    this. none of the zones in SL are excellent or come close to the best zones from previous expansions.
    zone design has gone downhill since Legion, with none really standing out from BFA/SL. although the lacklustre BFA zones were slightly better and had more soul; in retrospect it was a sign of bad things to come

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeluron Lightsong View Post
    I believe the current build that was pushed recently is the last one for the year as they said.
    Rights, that's why I'm asking if there's a chance 10.0 would be announced instead, as a way to end the year.

  3. #16263
    Quote Originally Posted by Varx View Post
    Rights, that's why I'm asking if there's a chance 10.0 would be announced instead, as a way to end the year.
    …no? They’re on break bro

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheFirstOnes View Post
    …no? They’re on break bro
    Are they, days before Xmas Eve?

  5. #16265
    Quote Originally Posted by Zexaniro View Post
    this. none of the zones in SL are excellent or come close to the best zones from previous expansions.
    zone design has gone downhill since Legion, with none really standing out from BFA/SL. although the lacklustre BFA zones were slightly better and had more soul; in retrospect it was a sign of bad things to come
    Agree with you 90%. Because, tbh, I REALLY liked BFA zones (especially all of Kul Tiras + Naz'jatar)

    They had true "warcraft vibe" in it. Too bad we had 84239749273 systems that have ruined the expansion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Palapop View Post
    Agree with you 90%. Because, tbh, I REALLY liked BFA zones (especially all of Kul Tiras + Naz'jatar)

    They had true "warcraft vibe" in it. Too bad we had 84239749273 systems that have ruined the expansion.
    Picking two of the ugliest zones just shows how subjective "true warcraft vibe" is, because to me they were nothing of the sort. For example to me Naz'jatar was an fugly hellhole to farm Zin'anthid and nothing else.
    You are welcome, Metzen. I hope you won't fuck up my underground expansion idea.

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    Hot take, Legion had the worst zones in "new wow" time. Even so praised Suramar, while the city was nice it was brought down by how annoying it was to trawerse and how bland the "outside" part was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Felis igneus View Post
    Picking two of the ugliest zones just shows how subjective "true warcraft vibe" is, because to me they were nothing of the sort. For example to me Naz'jatar was an fugly hellhole to farm Zin'anthid and nothing else.

    1. Stormsong Valley is literally embodiment of WC 3 zones and most of vanilla wow.

    2. About Naz'jatar- beauty is in the eye of the beholder

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    I love the horde side of BFA. "Inca/Aztec" design + dinosaurs is fantastic, especially architecture/weapons/armor.

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    Zones, dungeons, raids are always high points of any expansion. If I had to pick expac with worst zones, I think that would be MoP - Jade Forest is great, Valley pretty relaxing, but rest is as best mediocre (compared to other zones in WoW of course).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zulggun View Post
    Hot take, Legion had the worst zones in "new wow" time. Even so praised Suramar, while the city was nice it was brought down by how annoying it was to trawerse and how bland the "outside" part was.
    hard truth, legion was an elf fest coming up with a continent out of their ass, only map that was rly cool in aesthetic was the vrykul one.

  12. #16272
    Quote Originally Posted by Palapop View Post
    Imagine if we had devs working on NEW stuff and updating zones rather than removing old text lines, jokes and replacing already existing content with bowl of fruit?
    Crazy how the Art Team already does that, and has no hand in doing most of the other things that were mentioned. Also isn’t relevant to my point, bud.

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  13. #16273
    Quote Originally Posted by Varx View Post
    Rights, that's why I'm asking if there's a chance 10.0 would be announced instead, as a way to end the year.
    I myself expect an announcement around february or whenever the cancelled blizzconline 2022 was planned. It's quite logical that they initially wanted to reveal the next expac then. Wouldn't be too surprised if we got a series of either livestreams or youtube videos in february for all franchises as a blizzcon replacement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExiHext View Post
    I myself expect an announcement around february or whenever the cancelled blizzconline 2022 was planned. It's quite logical that they initially wanted to reveal the next expac then. Wouldn't be too surprised if we got a series of either livestreams or youtube videos in february for all franchises as a blizzcon replacement.
    We won't get a blizzconline - that's why they cancelled it. 10.0 won't have to share screentime with the other franchises for it's announcement ^^

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Atia View Post
    We won't get a blizzconline - that's why they cancelled it. 10.0 won't have to share screentime with the other franchises for it's announcement ^^
    Uhm, that's what I said...no blizzcon(line), just some videos.

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    9.2 launch will be either late February of March. Revealing expac right before that would be just waste for Blizzard, it would make 9.2 secondary thing like Naxxramas last year.

    If 10.0 is 2022 expansion (I doubt), still smartest move would be to reveal it right after world first. It must happen before Alpha, and there is no chance Alpha would start before last major patch is launched and hotfixed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExiHext View Post
    Uhm, that's what I said...no blizzcon(line), just some videos.
    You said they would do reveals for all franchises at the same time, which 100% won't happen as that would have been blizzconline like last year.

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    So the one thing I learned from the last two pages is that people love to claim that certain zones don't feel like WoW zones, but can't describe why, and usually, the zones they don't like are part of expansions they don't like.

    Interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dracullus View Post
    It's not good formula when patches launch only during first half of expansion. Legion had perfect balance and timing, we don't really need other examples. Moving raid/season to minor patches was genius move - but that require fast X.1, where both SL and BfA failed.

    Few years ago I thought 7.0 and 7.1 could be little longer to make patches even more close to each other, but I changed mind. Keeping momentum on first months is very imporant as well as giving few months to breathe before next expac.
    Yeah, I think it's important to have the first patch within 3-4 months after launch. I'm also fine, even happy with 9 or 10 months at the end of the expansion. A year is too long though.

    I think its time raid launches move back towards .5 patches.

    Imagine if we got all non raid content from 9.1 3 or 4 months sooner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slowpoke is a Gamer View Post
    Oh yeah you can do a lot with grounded. Just specifically "Etheral Planet Space Expansion" and "Lifelands" are off the table.


    Personally I'd like to see Blizz do something big and with the long-term in mind. Actually plan two expansions out and make 10.0 the "calm before the storm" where there's an actual planned storm instead of "we didn't plan a storm so here's N'Zoth in 10.3"
    Id honestly be fine with even a simple expansion. Backside of Azeroth continent. Simple story like MoP. Nothing too grand. Id be fine to fight naga and pirates all expansion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Palapop View Post
    lol what?

    Don't mix ART and graphic technologies here (eg comparing Elwynn 2004 to Elysian hold 2020)

    Some zones and sceneries are pretty, yes (Elysian hold, some of views in Ardenweald....) But that's it. Just pretty.

    Def far, far above "the best wow has ever been". lol

    Did you ever visit Crystalsong Forest? Nexus? Vash'jr? Arathi Highlands? Tiragarde? Stormsong? Vol'dun (even tho I hate deserts)? Storm Peaks?

    If something "looks uglier" because it has less pixels, it doesn't mean it's actually uglier. Imagine all these zones with todays technologies.

    Yes- SL is boring and bland.
    Eh, I think SL looks just as good as any other expansion. You just dislike the theme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Atia View Post
    You said they would do reveals for all franchises at the same time, which 100% won't happen as that would have been blizzconline like last year.
    Never did I say "at the same time", I said "a series of..."

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