Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Chickat]

So guessing 9.2 mid Feb. Reveal early March. Alpha late March. If works revamp prepatch in October. Release in December. Raids opening mid December. Mythic early Jan.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

WTF is with people depicting Night Elves as xenophobic? xD

Why do we have to use these IRL terms?

Why would they love/trust humans of the Alliance? Slick boy-king didn't care at all to assist them at Darkshore battle anyway.

Really you going to go there? Cause they were, in WCIII Tyrande didn't want to work with anyone even if they fought the dead and or demons. Its foolish and idiotic. That time has past and yes we use human terms, Xenophobia still applies.

So fans are moronic for getting tired of one character being the focus of two expansions in a row?

-_- No he's not saying that. He's saying fans are dumb for being so vitrolic when it comes to Sylvanas and what happens to her.

Why would they love/trust humans of the Alliance? Slick boy-king didn't care at all to assist them at Darkshore battle anyway.

Yeah cause of dumb plot reasons, but if you somehow think he doesn't care, you are fooling yourself.

[Luck4]

Uh oh, RIP Sylvanas, I guess.

What a huge disappointment. I was hoping a "Farewell line" like "I'll vigil over the Shadowlands" or "I'm going to change the Maw into a better place for the souls trapped there".

I'm not interested in any judgment, redemption, execution, etc. I just wanna see her out of the picture, FFS. I'm going to be extremely pissed if she comes back to Azeroth.

[EbaumsTipster]

What a huge disappointment. I was hoping a "Farewell line" like "I'll vigil over the Shadowlands" or "I'm going to change the Maw into a better place for the souls trapped there".

I'm not interested in any judgment, redemption, execution, etc. I just wanna see her out of the picture, FFS. I'm going to be extremely pissed if she comes back to Azeroth.

Her voiceline implying she is looking for Nathanos implies that she will be staying in the Shadowlands. Best bet is exile in the Maw.

She's not coming back when Calia exists.

[Palapop]

Really you going to go there? Cause they were, in WCIII Tyrande didn't want to work with anyone even if they fought the dead and or demons. Its foolish and idiotic. That time has past and yes we use human terms, Xenophobia still applies.

The only foolish and idiotic thing is to symbiose game and IRL politics/terms.

If you played WC3 and payed any attention, you would know why Tyrande didn't want to cooperate with humans and orcs. Doh...

[AngerFork]

Sylvanas says "I submit to the judgement....... of Tyrande Whisperwind

Seeing this, I am more convinced than ever that Sylvanas is about to get off scot free for her crimes. Remember, Tyrande has had to now make the "choice" of "vengeance or renewal" & chose renewal. This likely means not only that a lot of the Night Warrior wrath has left her, but her focus is now on her people and how they move forward. Punishing Sylvanas might feel good, but simply forcing her into exile or the like really doesn't do anything to bring her people back. I honestly think we're about to see Tyrande forgive Sylvanas for her crimes, possibly getting some sort of new Darnassus-style tree in the deal.

[EbaumsTipster]

Seeing this, I am more convinced than ever that Sylvanas is about to get off scot free for her crimes. Remember, Tyrande has had to now make the "choice" of "vengeance or renewal" & chose renewal. This likely means not only that a lot of the Night Warrior wrath has left her, but her focus is now on her people and how they move forward. Punishing Sylvanas might feel good, but simply forcing her into exile or the like really doesn't do anything to bring her people back. I honestly think we're about to see Tyrande forgive Sylvanas for her crimes, possibly getting some sort of new Darnassus-style tree in the deal.

I think the choice will be killing her soul and exile, not forgiving her. The point of the Uther cinematic is that she can’t be forgiven.

Vengeance doesn’t just mean “punishment”.

[Chickat]

I want to see Tyrande say her judgment is not her job. Then a million wisps fly out of the Maw and burn her alive. After shes gone the shot pans back to where she was standing to show that all thats left is a picture of her and her sisters from when they were kids. You have to take it to Alleria and she gives you a Sindorei Strider as a reward. New Hawkstrider model. The raid mount for SM raid.

Fan fiction. Still as good as what blizzard has been writing recently.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

The only foolish and idiotic thing is to symbiose game and IRL politics/terms.

If you played WC3 and payed any attention, you would know why Tyrande didn't want to cooperate with humans and orcs. Doh...

Which is made by real humans, xenophobia still applies. Yes I did play and its still xenophobic. Its why its GOOD they moved away from that instead of backwards.

[Zers Editor]

Zovaal having his anima/soul sucked out is actually interesting though, maybe that power goes to Azeroth? Or does a First One appear and punish him?

The way he is posed is so melodramatic, it actually makes me think they will pull an "Alas, Poor Villain" with him, at least on how WE, the players, should perceive him. And considering how neutered and devoid of "I'll conquer you all, I wanna be in charge because I love it" his dialogue is in this patch...

[Chickat]

Honestly, if 10.0 isn't a revamp, they really need to figure something out. Shadowlands leveling is the weakest it's been since Cata IMO. It's pretty inconsequential.

There isn't really a good solution I suppose.

[Ersula]

Probably not many since few people bother with 6 month subs.

I know I'm only still subscribed because I have a 6 month sub & I play on a high pop server: That's basically dead now. This was my point.

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The only foolish and idiotic thing is to symbiose game and IRL politics/terms.

If you played WC3 and payed any attention, you would know why Tyrande didn't want to cooperate with humans and orcs. Doh...

We talking about how Night Elves joining the alliance was done purely so the Allaince could be tolkienesque? Humans & Orcs both defiled the forest & they had a good relation with the Tauren: If anything they should have joined up with the Tauren.

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I think the choice will be killing her soul and exile, not forgiving her. The point of the Uther cinematic is that she can’t be forgiven.

Vengeance doesn’t just mean “punishment”.

I could say the same thing about Forgiveness. Forgiveness shouldn't be transactional.

[Myrrh]

Either Zovaal's runes are birthmarks (unlikely) or that body is Zovaal's with his soul/magic/anima taken out after his boss battle. Meaning something sucks out his soul.

Maybe Azeroth has a snack?

Some of the screenies don't give the best angles but the chest hole isn't empty either, it has the (destroyed?) sigil inside. Pretty sure those are indeed his remains. The model (sans runes and hole) also looks practically identical to the Arbiter vessel in the Jailer's Gambit questline.

[huth]

WTF is with people depicting Night Elves as xenophobic? xD

Why do we have to use these IRL terms?

Why would they love/trust humans of the Alliance? Slick boy-king didn't care at all to assist them at Darkshore battle anyway.

So people actually understand it? Sure, we could say the Night Elves were tkschulumurp, but nobody would have any clue what that is supposed to mean.

[Super Dickmann]

There must be a committee in the writer's room who's only job is to read Jailer voice line drafts and cut every line that isn't 100% generic concentrate. Seriously the only line that threatens to imply even the barest personality is the one mentioning Sylvanas' betrayal. Everything else is filler of him informing us about what he's doing at this very moment that can easily be replaced by a narrator or better yet, nothing. Once we melt him an autopsy is due for this dude as a villain.

Regarding Sylvanas, Tyrande's Anduinified so she won't chop her head off. She'll be going around saving souls and fighting the leftover Mawsworn while finding out which basement Nathanos is in. It's got the thematic benefit of wrapping up her Shadowlands story in the place she was trying to avoid but with a twist, which is always a nice trope, it keeps it personal in terms of her going after someone close to her and it also keeps her working off her crimes by wandering an infinite expanse freeing the souls she dropped down there and shooting the leftover Mawsworn. It keeps her out of the plot while leaving the door open for later usage. It beats being fully swallowed up by the Bland Gang or capping off her time in the franchise in her state as a husk quipping snarky oneliners as she was in BFA. It's Sisyphean shit and given how fucked the starting point was, any complaints I'd have come down to parts of the execution. It's about the best ending one could hope for with the Shadowlands iteration of the character, not that that's saying much.

I don't expect us to skip past Sylvanas giving Calia her full and total endorsement in trampling the corpse of the Forsaken though, Blizzard aren't through with that particular barnacle yet.

[micwini]

I think the choice will be killing her soul and exile, not forgiving her. The point of the Uther cinematic is that she can’t be forgiven.

Vengeance doesn’t just mean “punishment”.

Imagine it playing out like this: *Elune whispers in Tyrande's head: "Remember: You must choose: Vengeance or Renewal".
Tyrande: Not renewal...... not vengeance....... justice. *kicks sylvanas off Oribos into the maw*

[Cosmic Janitor]

Regarding Sylvanas, Tyrande's Anduinified so she won't chop her head off. She'll be going around saving souls and fighting the leftover Mawsworn while finding out which basement Nathanos is in. It's got the thematic benefit of wrapping up her Shadowlands story in the place she was trying to avoid but with a twist, which is always a nice trope, it keeps it personal in terms of her going after someone close to her and it also keeps her working off her crimes by wandering an infinite expanse freeing the souls she dropped down there and shooting the leftover Mawsworn. It keeps her out of the plot while leaving the door open for later usage. It beats being fully swallowed up by the Bland Gang or capping off her time in the franchise in her state as a husk quipping snarky oneliners as she was in BFA. It's Sisyphean shit and given how fucked the starting point was, any complaints I'd have come down to parts of the execution. It's about the best ending one could hope for with the Shadowlands iteration of the character, not that that's saying much.

Is that confirmed already? I haven't kept up with the PTR, because this shit bores me to tears, but if it is, then that is pretty much exactly what I expected to happen after the rubbish we saw in 9.1. And it's pretty much the only way to write themselves out of the crater they've written themselves into.

[Super Dickmann]

Is that confirmed already (I haven't kept up with the PTR, because this shit bores me to tears), because if it is then that is pretty much exactly what I expected to happen after the rubbish we saw in 9.1.

There's enough of it datamined that it's pretty much confirmed. There's datamined VA of her mentioning Nathanos and saying Tyrande will decide what to do with her and Tyrande got neutered last patch. Last we know Nathanos got dumped in hell and the Maw's still there and full of a whole bunch of souls, so both the personal motive and her working off her crimes there by freeing said souls checks out with them leaving those plot points open.

[Nyel]

No, Raid Testing is ending next week. Blizzard was cheeky saying that Eternity's End doesn't have a release date indicating that it is coming soon and the Council is dead as Retail Devs are too afraid to post responses.
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Cutoff 18th of January. Raid Testing ending next week if they test more additional Raid Finders if not it ends in the last week of January. February 8th/15th seems likely as Eternity's End Release Date.

Thank you for the update! Early / mid February seems to be quite soon, but who knows. The sooner the better as that means the next expansion still can be released this year.

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Blizzard needs to have severe case of sniffing their own farts if they think they can release their patch in 9.2 and compete with the games in that month, and im not even talking mmos

So probally whats gonna happen

Yeah, February is so packed with AAA titles. Horizon Forbidden West and Elden Ring will eat most of the time and end of January is Pokemon Legens Arceus - so the entire months of February is packed with excellent releases.

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Btw, funny that you disregard this number so easily on various occasions as indicator of WoW stability, even if it's official stable number you get every ~two years.

Those sales solely reflect how much active players WoW has left because everybody and their mother is buying a new expansion on day 1 (or pre-orders it, which accounts to those sales as well). Everything in WoW's lifecycle is way more frontloaded now. Peak players at / around expansion launch and then steadily declining. That's just how it is, even if we do not have the official numbers to back it up. That's the normal and expected cycle, which isn't bad. But you incredibly overestimate those 24h sales. As I said, impressive record overall, but pretty much telling nothing about anything after the first days / weeks.

And you even said it yourself: honeymoon can delude players in the first weeks. I very much enjoyed the first weeks of Shadowlands - a lot - but the fall about 3-4 weeks after launch was very hard, because the Maw was horrible and Torghast incredibly unfun (for me). I stopped playing from one day to another and never looked back since then. I do not think this is what MMORPGs try to achieve.

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Looks like we know what happens to Zovaal.

https://twitter.com/keyboardturn/sta...77130951835648

I find it funny how this supposedly UBER ALLMIGHTY SUPER VILLAIN just gets disintegrated so easily and couldn't last longer than an expansion.

[Dioporco]

The design team is part of the dev team.

That is like saying design team is making the system decision which isnt.


Design/Art/Sound team is the only one that is keeping doing a good job always, even if zereth mortis is a copypaste from GW2 and Destiny.

Dev team as people that make the system, those are sucking sweaty balls since post legion