Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Alanar]

You know the villain is a failure when people don't feel anything when they die. The Janitor will die and I don't feel anything.

A good villain will always evoke some kind of feeling when they are defeated (either positive or negative feeling).

Perhaps the only feeling I have is joy, at the fact that the Janitor too will be retconned into the pawn of some other janitor or greater villain.

Right, so according to your logic hes a great villain.

[Raetary]

The Jailer evokes feelings of agonizing disappointment and a sense of joy, over the fact that we soon will no longer have to see him ever again. (probably.... hopefully.)

Clearly, the greatest villain to have ever been conceived.

[Lmaop]

If the speculated direction from the spoilers are true, as in there appears actually a even mightier being than the 5D chessmaster zovaal that sucks him dry on the spots and defeats him, this might the more stupid than any season of Lost

[Zers Editor]

There's enough of it datamined that it's pretty much confirmed. There's datamined VA of her mentioning Nathanos and saying Tyrande will decide what to do with her and Tyrande got neutered last patch. Last we know Nathanos got dumped in hell and the Maw's still there and full of a whole bunch of souls, so both the personal motive and her working off her crimes there by freeing said souls checks out with them leaving those plot points open.

If so, that is really the most neutral route they can take, by making her fix this mess on her own, probably denied to ever come back to Azeroth.

[Raetary]

If the speculated direction from the spoilers are true, as in there appears actually a even mightier being than the 5D chessmaster zovaal that sucks him dry on the spots and defeats him, this might the more stupid than any season of Lost

And its Azeroth.
It's always Azeroth.

[Varodoc]

If the speculated direction from the spoilers are true, as in there appears actually a even mightier being than the 5D chessmaster zovaal that sucks him dry on the spots and defeats him, this might the more stupid than any season of Lost

It's the Naaru.

"The Light has made a bargain with the enemy of all [DEATH]"

It's time for that bargain to come to an end, the Janitor has outlived his usefulness in the eyes of the chandeliers

[Lmaop]

It's the Naaru.

"The Light has made a bargain with the enemy of all [DEATH]"

It's time for that bargain to come to an end, the Janitor has outlived his usefulness in the eyes of the chandeliers

I just wish they just stop "BUT THERE IS EVEN A BIGGER THREAT LMAO" shit man

And now the power level of every lore character is so through the roof that it will eternally taint any "new begining" unless they do a true reset (never).

Every time a threat that is not universe-wide it will be like "ok why doesnt jaina teleport the whole army including us in there so we can finish it" "why doesn't Turalyon shoot it down with its spaceship" and so on. And danuser is gonna give a half assed answer to "uuh they cant"

Its so tiresome.

[huth]

It's the Naaru.

"The Light has made a bargain with the enemy of all [DEATH]"

It's time for that bargain to come to an end, the Janitor has outlived his usefulness in the eyes of the chandeliers

I'm pretty sure the Windchimes don't qualify as mightier. Though there's certainly the possibility of beings more powerful than them in the Light.

If anything, given its singleminded dogmatic focus, i'd expect the Light to have a singular leader rather than a pantheon.

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I just wish they just stop "BUT THERE IS EVEN A BIGGER THREAT LMAO" shit man

At least wait until Blizzard actually makes that claim, instead of complaining about what is essentially fan fiction.

[Lmaop]

At least wait until Blizzard actually makes that claim, instead of complaining about what is essentially fan fiction.

Im commenting on past occurances

Also stop trying to tone police me in a thread about speculation trying to dismiss anything i say as fan fiction, what do you think speculation is, weirdo
Yes yes, dont speculate, just talk about stuff what blizzard said in the thread named speculation. Ok bud you are right im wrong carry on, not engage with this

[Varodoc]

I just wish they just stop "BUT THERE IS EVEN A BIGGER THREAT LMAO" shit man

And now the power level of every lore character is so through the roof that it will eternally taint any "new begining" unless they do a true reset (never).

Every time a threat that is not universe-wide it will be like "ok why doesnt jaina teleport the whole army including us in there so we can finish it" "why doesn't Turalyon shoot it down with its spaceship" and so on. And danuser is gonna give a half assed answer to "uuh they cant"

Its so tiresome.

The Janitor could have been manipulated (unknowingly or not) by a weaker being. Often, a weaker being can make up for the lack of strength with exceptional manipulation capabilities. N'Zoth is evident proof of this.

For instance, despite being much stronger than Ner'zhul, Archimonde was ultimately fooled by him. Ner'zhul worked behind the scenes to orchestrate the Legion's downfall in the Third War, even if he was "weaker" in terms of "power levels".

So, even though there is clearly a "greater threat" than the Janitor, it doesn't have to be "stronger" physically/power-wise. It just has to be smarter, and it can't be too hard to outsmart someone who got jailed by his own underlings.

It was Canonically stated that the Light has made a bargain with the enemy of all (Death). But the terms of that bargain have not been revealed and the Janitor could have gotten the short end of the stick, outsmarted by the Naaru...

[BaumanKing]

You know the villain is a failure when people don't feel anything when they die. The Janitor will die and I don't feel anything.

A good villain will always evoke some kind of feeling when they are defeated (either positive or negative feeling).

Perhaps the only feeling I have is joy, at the fact that the Janitor too will be retconned into the pawn of some other janitor or greater villain.

What will you feel after Alleria dies as a villain?

[Varodoc]

What will you feel after Alleria dies as a villain?

Aside from the fact that it's not going to happen? I'd feel happy that an Alliance character finally showed some balls and grew a spine.

I wish Tyrande did that and used her Divine Elune powers to nuke Orgrimmar.

If you thought I'm one of those Alliance players who play a Human Paladin and want to be Lawful Good/Stupid, you're wrong. I'd love for the Ren'dorei to finally get some action, by ushering doom upon all their enemies, not too differently from the Vision of Stormwind

[The Stormbringer]

I really hate the Jailer's whole, "Hahaha, those puny mortals don't mean anything, despite the fact that they've murdered gods and beaten all of my forces and allies up to here. I'm gonna let them live because there's no possible chance they could stop my super-duper-ultra-mega-hyper-perfect plan."

[Aeluron Lightsong]

I really hate the Jailer's whole, "Hahaha, those puny mortals don't mean anything, despite the fact that they've murdered gods and beaten all of my forces and allies up to here. I'm gonna let them live because there's no possible chance they could stop my super-duper-ultra-mega-hyper-perfect plan."

If we don't find a way to resist domination magic then yes we are kinda fucked hence why thats a plot point.

[TheFirstOnes]

Either Zovaal's runes are birthmarks (unlikely) or that body is Zovaal's with his soul/magic/anima taken out after his boss battle. Meaning something sucks out his soul.

Maybe Azeroth has a snack?

Knowing what we do during the battle, it's very much possible that Azeroth and us provide Zovaal with so much power he fucking explodes with it, while we don't cause the First Ones already scribed it or summ...

[The Stormbringer]

If we don't find a way to resist domination magic then yes we are kinda fucked hence why thats a plot point.

And yet, instead of GUARANTEEING that such a thing will never happen by murdering us or dominating us right now, he just walks off and expects it tooootally can't happen. It's fucking stupid when he's been touted as this Next Level 9th Dimension Grand Plotmaster the entire expansion. You're telling me he doesn't think there's even the slightest, tiniest, most remote possible chance we could find that? Despite the fact that his whole plan has been a case of threading the needle over and over again inside a haystack the size of a mountain that's also on fire?

[TheFirstOnes]

I really hate the Jailer's whole, "Hahaha, those puny mortals don't mean anything, despite the fact that they've murdered gods and beaten all of my forces and allies up to here. I'm gonna let them live because there's no possible chance they could stop my super-duper-ultra-mega-hyper-perfect plan."

Reminder: we never truly faced a Titan lvl being at FP before...

Let alone the most powerful cosmic being we've come across so far who literally represents WoW's Satan in every aspect...

[The Stormbringer]

Reminder: we never truly faced a Titan lvl being at FP before...

Let alone the most powerful cosmic being we've come across so far who literally represents WoW's Satan in every aspect...

That doesn't matter though. We've still BEATEN incredibly powerful beings, time and time again, despite all the odds saying otherwise. At this point, someone who should be intimately aware of everything we've done (since it's all part of his GRAND PLAN) ought to figure out that we are suspiciously good at being the supposed underdog. It's absolutely fucking stupid that a competent, intelligent enemy wouldn't be looking at us and NOT be shitting themselves just a little. It doesn't matter if he thinks he's on another level and his biggatons are better than ours, we've pulled power-ups and allied help out of our asses to do shit like obliterating Old Gods, demon generals, weakened Titans, and everything else. Sometimes we just do it on our own! He's underestimating us when it makes no god damn sense.

EDIT: Also, Sargeras was supposed to be "WoW's Satan", and was all the way up until this stupid fucking expansion. We ruined HIS plans too.

[EbaumsTipster]

Regarding the Jailer, they know how much people don’t like him but have made zero attempts to flesh him out or advance him beyond a single story in the fables book (which just reveals he’s butthurt).

I don’t think they’re sniffing their farts but that’s he’s actually written to act like this. I don’t know if the intent is that he’s supposed to act robotic or they want a very very very simple villain to evoke Classic feels like Ragnaros or something that just is ebil and wants to kill you.

But considering how they have been reflexive with writing due to negative feedback in the past, and Jailer has never ever changed, either he’s meant to act like this or they just don’t think he matters enough to change. Which is probably the case as Sylvanas was the real major antagonist and the expansion kind of ends thematically at Sanctum.

[cocomen2]

Reminder: we never truly faced a Titan lvl being at FP before...

Let alone the most powerful cosmic being we've come across so far who literally represents WoW's Satan in every aspect...

Hades, Satan would ripped apart Baine body as if its toy, and then with bloody hands while being covered in tauren's innards, gouged eyes from heroes heads.

While Hades character just toying with puny mortals in his grand schemes to escape a Maw or any prison given his Jailer status.