Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[username993720]

So I just compiled a list of loose plot threads for upcoming expansions that have been seeded in Legion/BFA/SL and I couldn't help but notice most of them fall into three categories:

-Cataclysm 2.0: Dragons and Elements
-Light
-Void

Coincidence? I would love if all of this is 10.0, with all three being mixed into the EK/Kalimdor plots and then Dragon Isles at endgame deals with them all in a bigger way.

Yes, it's pretty obvious from the last two cinematic trailers.

[EbaumsTipster]

Yes, it's pretty obvious from the last two cinematic trailers.

What do you mean?

[Varx]

Where are the leaks??? Aren't we in leak season at this point. No copyrights filed recently??

[Makabreska]

I don't think Yrel is coming back, especially as a villian of any kind. Draenor is done with, especially after the little epilogue provided by the Maghar Orcs.

Wut? Of course she is coming back. They did set up us going against Naaru and their minions for a reason. Draenor being done with means Yrel and her squad will move on to the next target. And she is already a villain.

[EbaumsTipster]

I don't think Yrel is coming back, especially as a villian of any kind. Draenor is done with, especially after the little epilogue provided by the Maghar Orcs.

If she wasn't coming back they wouldn't have brought her back as a villain. Same as putting Turalyon on the throne. Things happen to be followed up on later.

[huth]

You aren't understanding what I'm saying. IT MAKES NO SENSE FOR HIM TO BE OVER CONFIDENT! He is THE GOD PLANNER who has steered our history in his favor for tens of thousands of years. He should know us better than we know ourselves. The fact that he will make such a massive, monumental blunder as this utterly annihilates any suspension of disbelief we could possibly have. It's terrible fucking writing. Just accept it.

He's also seen us completely fail to even inconvenience him up till now.

You don't make good plans by accounting for every single variable. You make good plans by leaving room for error and course corrections. No, he shouldn't know us better than we do. He had to make his plans long before we even entered the playing field. It's also been shown that we're something of an outside context issue to him, yet we haven't been able to be a serious obstacle so far.

I'd say he's actually quite justified in not considering us a major threat. The real question should be how he manages to lose anyway.

[Makabreska]

They said they weren't messing with WoD anymore, and I don't think they will.

When did they say that? And also it doesn't mean that they wont be using characters from there. If we go against Naaru, Yrel is 100% logical choice for the opponent.

[EbaumsTipster]

They said they weren't messing with WoD anymore, and I don't think they will.

https://www.icy-veins.com/forums/top...ion-interview/

https://www.wowhead.com/news/lore-re...-321100?page=2

We will also hear more about Yrel, who wielded the light's power to destroy Mag'har Orcs in the Allied Race unlock scenario.

One of the things we've tried to do with the Mag'har Orc storyline...we see the conflict just didn't go away between Yrel and her forces and Grommash and his Orcish forces. Clearly, there's some more story to tell there. Legion gave us some great opportunities to delve into the lore of the Light more with Xe'ra, and her interactions with Illidan, and Turalyon's POV on it, Velen's POV...I think Velen learned a lot about the light. At one point he may have been blindly devoted to that, and I think he's gotten some different perspectives. That's definitely a storyline that will be playing out.

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

I don't think Yrel is coming back, especially as a villian of any kind. Draenor is done with, especially after the little epilogue provided by the Maghar Orcs.

She's a strong woman antagonist character, it is obvious that Blizzard will use her at some point.

[Makabreska]

She's a strong woman antagonist character, it is obvious that Blizzard will use her at some point.

Oof, 10/10 take. And they say it's Blizzard who is obsessed with this approach.

[Lmaop]

https://www.icy-veins.com/forums/top...ion-interview/

https://www.wowhead.com/news/lore-re...-321100?page=2

Man every time i open wowhead it looks like it gonna give me 30 viruses at once, i try to avoid it as much i can

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Oof, 10/10 take. And they say it's Blizzard who is obsessed with this approach.

The paranoia and obesssion is real. Personally I'm cautiously curious.

[BaumanKing]

Yrel will serve better as the main villain than Turalyon. First, she is better known among the players. Secondly, Turalyon failed the naaru by interceding for his void-y wife and forgiving Illidan. He's too weak to play the role of the main villain. He'll probably die early on or play a role similar to Khadgar or Bolvar.

[EbaumsTipster]

Yrel will serve better as the main villain than Turalyon. First, she is better known among the players. Secondly, Turalyon failed the naaru by interceding for his void-y wife and forgiving Illidan. He's too weak to play the role of the main villain. He'll probably die early on or play a role similar to Khadgar or Bolvar.

Turalyon will serve as the friction point for the Alliance to consider the purpose of High King (probably will go away like Warchief) and the potential for Stormwind to act as an atagonistic force to both sides for a little bit. But yeah Yrel will be the main "avatar" of whatever the bad Light god is, who is likely Xe'ra coming back (the AU quest already has a letter that strongly implies she didn't die or has already been ressurected by the Light).

[Varodoc]

Blizzard will never allow Stormwind to be shown as the "antagonistic" faction because it is the first faction people think of when you ask them "Who are the good guys of Warcraft?"

It would be like making a movie about villainous Gondor or Starks, it's not going to happen. It would make the fans confused, puzzled, and likely very angry.

Turalyon will probably die like in the Vision of Stormwind as a broken man, but if he becomes evil, he will sadly be kicked out of Stormwind and lead his own "rogue" faction of Lightforged and Scarlet Crusaders.

Blizzard won't tarnish the image of their #1 Poster Boys: the Humans of Stormwind.

Any villainous action in the Alliance will come either from Turalyon's "rogue" faction or from the Ren'dorei, the only race with the balls to do what is necessary to win.

[EbaumsTipster]

Blizzard will never allow Stormwind to be shown as the "antagonistic" faction because it is the first faction people think of when you ask them "Who are the good guys of Warcraft?"

It would be like making a movie about villainous Gondor or Starks, it's not going to happen. It would make the fans confused and puzzled.

Turalyon will probably die like in the Vision of Stormwind as a broken man, but if he becomes evil, he will sadly be kicked out of Stormwind and lead his own "rogue" faction of Lightforged and Scarlet Crusaders.

Blizzard won't tarnish the image of their #1 Poster Boys: the Humans of Stormwind.

Any villainous action in the Alliance will come either from Turalyon's "rogue" faction or from the Ren'dorei, the only race with the balls to do what is necessary to win.

They have built up the Stormwind Noble Houses again (Turalyon mentions it when you talk to him, a dev brought them up). There is a very solid chance that Stormwind turns against the Alliance or at least the ruling powers there do, though I wonder what would happen to its position as a capital.

[Varodoc]

They have built up the Stormwind Noble Houses again (Turalyon mentions it when you talk to him, a dev brought them up). There is a very solid chance that Stormwind turns against the Alliance or at least the ruling powers there do, though I wonder what would happen to its position as a capital.

The only time the Stormwind Noble Houses played a "villainous" role, Blizzard still used other factions as the main villainous army: the Defias criminals and the dragons of Onyxia.

They didn't show the Stormwind army committing war crimes because of the nobles' influence, they just left them out of the plot saying that "they were busy on distant battlefields".

If the nobles supported Turalyon, I don't think Jesus Wrynn would keep them around for long.

If Stormwind "turned" against the Alliance then the Alliance would crumble and fall apart. Not only humans are the "glue that is keeping the Alliance together" (this is stated verbatim and represented in-game by their Diplomatic passive), but Stormwind is repeatedly stated to be the "strongest nation" in the modern Multi-racial Alliance.

What we are talking about is basically the "Alliance version of Soo", the majority of Stormwind would side with the good guys, just like the majority of the orcs sided against Garrosh. It is stated that only a tiny minority followed Garrosh. And they renamed themselves "True Horde", to signify their final division from the Horde.

So here whoever followed Turalyon would distance themselves from Stormwind.

I don't hate the idea of Turalyon taking a more direct approach, since he is a battle-hardened warrior who has fought against the Legion for many centuries, he doesn't take shit from people. He didn't take shit from the Legion and he's not going to play nice with the Horde. But Blizzard won't let Stormwind commit war crimes, let's be real. They are the standard "knights in shining armour" good guy faction that is in every setting.

And before the usual "b-but Taurajo!!!", please remember that it wasn't technically the Stormwind army that did that but released prisoners from the Stockades... and even then Blizzard, via Baine, justified that action anyway

[Makabreska]

I missed those quotes, thanks! I can't find where I saw them talk about not going back to the AU, so unsure exactly what was said. I'm not sure if Blizzard will really go through with making another main female character, who we helped guide and train, turn evil. Most people I don't think know about the Mag'har questline.

Could absolutely be wrong here.

Not going back to AU does not mean that its characters wont come to us when it makes sense. And what was the other female character who we helped guide and train that turned evil, exactly? I really don't think Blizz is fixated on gender here. These are all non issues and she will defo make a comeback.

[EbaumsTipster]

The only time the Stormwind Noble Houses played a "villainous" role, Blizzard still used other factions as the main villainous army: the Defias criminals and the dragons of Onyxia.

They didn't show the Stormwind army committing war crimes because of the nobles' influence, they just left them out of the plot saying that "they were busy on distant battlefields".

If the nobles supported Turalyon, I don't think Jesus Wrynn would keep them around for long.

I think he's going to take a break from ruling next expansion. He is fucked up from the domination in 9.2 (he talks and sounds tired and miserable) and even if he does go back to the throne, I don't think they'll let him.

Also they know people are sick of Anduin and Sylvanas so they will take a break same as how Thrall took a break after Cata and Khadgar took a break after Legion, they always do this stuff when a character is overused (and Anduin has Mists/Legion/BFA/SL). Sylvanas may never come back after this but Anduin will probably be temporarily indisposed... maybe he'll be away recovering from the domination stuff.

"Human potential" is a huge meme and it's a well-known fact the community doesn't like how prominent Stormwind is in the Alliance... you really think they won't act on that?

[Varodoc]

I think he's going to take a break from ruling next expansion. He is fucked up from the domination in 9.2 (he talks and sounds tired and miserable) and even if he does go back to the throne, I don't think they'll let him.

Also they know people are sick of Anduin and Sylvanas so they will take a break same as how Thrall took a break after Cata and Khadgar took a break after Legion, they always do this stuff when a character is overused (and Anduin has Mists/Legion/BFA/SL). Sylvanas may never come back after this but Anduin will probably be indisposed... maybe he'll be away recovering from the domination stuff.

I agree, but I don't think Turalyon will become a villain either.

The fact that Anduin won't come back is beneficial to the Alliance if anything, because now Turalyon doesn't have to give up the throne and the House of Nobles can fully back him.

For all the talk on this forum about Turalyon "being evil", for the time being we know what Turalyon wants: to rebuild the Alliance after the second world war started by the Horde, and to reclaim ruined settlements of the Alliance in Lordaeron. Neither of these goals are villainous in any way.

Turalyon is not like Garrosh. With Garrosh, it was obviously that this guy was a fucking genocidal psychopath, to the point that Blizzard didn't even try to hide the fact that they were turning him into a raid boss. Turalyon doesn't even come close to Garrosh, because his aforementioned goals are actually very sensible, and he himself is a very level-headed and rational man (he's not a screaming child like Garrosh)...