Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Raetary]

The Primus created domination magic, he was the one that etched the runes onto the Jailer, and the hole was the result of the eternal ones ripping out his sigil.

So, unless the First Ones were flip flopping through time and copy pasted their underlings magic homework from the future onto a prototype in the past just to fuck with us, its pretty much the Jailers corpse.

[Kiivar86]

We literally have no idea what the context of that line is.

It could easily be us doing something in the campaign. We build a gizmo, thinking we kill the Jailer with it, we use it against him, the Primus says that line and then the Jailer emerges, talking shit how stupid we were to waste our team on that, just to fly to the raid.

Even then, the death is gonna happen in the post-raid cutscene anyway, so that argument along with the "death animation" is entirely irrelevant.

You're not wrong about context but I mean sometimes things are pretty clear cut. This is Blizzard we're talking about here.

[Marlamin]

The file name sounds like a mislead. The robot pose even matches Zovaal being on his knees in his “death animation”.

Though they spoiled that he dies with a VA line so not sure why they would hide it. Probably just everyone rushing to get the expansion done with so they can move on.

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I have yet to check the raid videos, does the raid at least look fun?

This model is named "prototype", so can very well be same case like with Prototype Pantheon.

As of two PTR builds ago models no longer have official filenames, anything you see is made up/a guess.

[EbaumsTipster]

As of two PTR builds ago models no longer have official filenames, anything you see is made up/a guess.

Oh then it’s definitely his corpse, thanks for the heads up. Think no filenames is the new way they will go?

Also are the new Kleia and Pelagos models at all structured like an Allied Race texture wise? Or are they too detailed?

[Makorus]

Why do people think it is his corpse when we literally fight the exact same type of beings in the Protoype Pantheon fight?

Once again, his death animation is irrelevant because it will not actually show up in the game, ever.

[Raetary]

Why do people think it is his corpse

As i said before, it has to be his corpse because it makes no sense for an unused prototype to be covered in domination runes and have its chest be blown out.
Domination was created by the Primus, he was the one that put those runes on him, the hole only exists because the eternal ones ripped out his sigil.

[Marlamin]

Oh then it’s definitely his corpse, thanks for the heads up. Think no filenames is the new way they will go?

Also are the new Kleia and Pelagos models at all structured like an Allied Race texture wise? Or are they too detailed?

No filenames is sadly the way they've been going for now, model filenames are just the latest victim.

The Kleia/Pelagos models are in-game cutscene models, pretty sure. Haven't seen any obvious signs of them being character model-like, but I haven't looked very deeply at them yet, though.

[EbaumsTipster]

Why do people think it is his corpse when we literally fight the exact same type of beings in the Protoype Pantheon fight?

Once again, his death animation is irrelevant because it will not actually show up in the game, ever.

They are all robots with a ghost body. We literally see Pelagos fuse with the Arbiter body to become Arbiter Pelagos.

Take away the ghost and you get that.

[Makorus]

As i said before, it has to be his corpse because it makes no sense for an unused prototype to be covered in domination runes and have its chest be blown out.
Domination was created by the Primus, he was the one that put those runes on him, the hole only exists because the eternal ones ripped out his sigil.

lol I think it's way more likely that Blizzard forgot that the Primus made the runes.

Also, the bot literally has a sigil inside of him (it's not entirely empty anyway).

[Raetary]

lol I think it's way more likely that Blizzard forgot that the Primus made the runes.

No, he mentions it in the Arbiter crown questline.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfMEZ8FTPZ0&t=167s

I created Domination as a tool to punish Zovaal....

When i created Domination, I did not foresee how much pain it would cause....

[Cosmic Janitor]

No, he mentions it in the Arbiter crown questline.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfMEZ8FTPZ0&t=167s

The point is more that the artist that made the model forgot.

[EbaumsTipster]

Or its a prop and the robot got destroyed to resemble Zovaal so that people know what it was supposed to be.

All possible, still think that it being his corpse is likely as his soul getting sucked out is a fitting end for a Death villain.

[Cosmic Janitor]

Or its a prop and the robot got destroyed to resemble Zovaal so that people know what it was supposed to be.

All possible, still think that it being his corpse is likely as his soul getting sucked out is a fitting end for a Death villain.

I mean denathrius didn't leave behind a robot corpse either, we just killed him and his soul was put into the blade.

[TheFirstOnes]

The point is more that the artist that made the model forgot.

Except no? That model looks very much like Zovaal got evaporated lol

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I mean denathrius didn't leave behind a robot corpse either, we just killed him and his soul was put into the blade.

Because his soul was simply stored inside Remornia and trapped there? The Sepulcher exists to print out a new body for the embodiment of absolution.

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Cause each Pantheon appears to represent a concept whose existence is heavily needed for Reality and all of existence to be a thing.

[EbaumsTipster]

I assume the lore is that soul + robot body makes an eternal one, which is why they are sentient and not just programs. Denny didn’t get his soul sucked, he just died and got absorbed by Remornia just in time.

If the model is Zovaal’s corpse then he gets targeted by something that sucks all of the soul out of him but leaves behind the body. Maybe the machine or maybe Azeroth eats him.

[Alanar]

Yrel will serve better as the main villain than Turalyon. First, she is better known among the players. Secondly, Turalyon failed the naaru by interceding for his void-y wife and forgiving Illidan. He's too weak to play the role of the main villain. He'll probably die early on or play a role similar to Khadgar or Bolvar.

I much rather see Turalyon being to fanatic in stormwind and pushing through weird changes because of hes faith. Exploring that side of more is alot more interestring.. that the good side.

[EbaumsTipster]

I much rather see Turalyon being to fanatic in stormwind and pushing through weird changes because of hes faith. Exploring that side of more is alot more interestring.. that the good side.

He’s not going to do stuff like that without a push, it will be interesting to see where that comes from. Smart money is on Lothraxion but it could be as simple as a reaction to void stuff happening on Azeroth and him overreacting.

[Makabreska]

Imagine being Winter Queen or Primus, and then realizing that you were literally manufactured by higher beings, and that there are failed prototypes of yourself lying around. Truly a mindfuck material.

I much rather see Turalyon being to fanatic in stormwind and pushing through weird changes because of hes faith. Exploring that side of more is alot more interestring.. that the good side.

I prefer Yrel just for the fact that we witnessed her journey. From scared acolyte into a confident Draenei leader. It would show nicely how even the purest ideals can be twisted, given proper influence. Would like to see her interacting with our Velen, seeing how he is on vaycay since Legion.

[EbaumsTipster]

Imagine being Winter Queen or Primus, and then realizing that you were manufactured by higher beings, and that there are failed prototypes of yourself lying around. Truly a mindfuck material.

Primus knows, he says he and the Eternal Ones “aren’t allowed to return” to Zereth Mortis. The implication is that they know they are robots and how the system works.

Whether or not they used to be living beings before being turned into eternals is up in the air.

[AngerFork]

By the way, I'm hoping for a 4th spec. Why not a "hero" 4th spec, only available to max level players after completing some quests.

That would be something like :

Warrior : Champion (melee dps, uses banners to empower allies)
Hunter : Beastmaster (melee dps, has several pets at his disposal instead of just one)
Rogue : Pirate (range/melee dps with water spells)
Monk : Spirit Walker (heal, can switch between between life and ghost form)
Druid : Night Warrior (melee dps, uses arcane instead of nature)
Shaman : Ascendant (tank that transforms into an elemental of their choice)
Priest : Blood Priest (range dps)
Paladin : Zealot (melee dps, uses Shadow instead of Light)
Warlock : Necromancer (heal)
Mage : Chronomancer (heal)
Death Knight : Necrolord (dps)
Demon Hunter : Void Walker (tank)

The whole "4th" spec thing (in quotes as it'd be third for DH & 5th for Druid) I feel would be more work for less results from a player perspective. Instead of 36 specs to balance & make as unique as possible, Blizz would have to do it with 48 specs. Given how many players complained in WoD about not getting a new race because all character models were updated instead, it's likely that there would be complaints about how we don't have an actual new class (never mind that this would be a ton more specs).

Also on this, I do have to wonder on a few of your choices here. Tyrande being the first Night Warrior was a Night Elf Priestess of Elune...so why would the Night Warrior go towards Malfurion's class instead? Demon Hunters rely on the Fel for their source of power, so why are they suddenly now using the Void & becoming Void Walkers? And for the new Pirate spec...is that really noticeably different than Outlaw, aside from the weird new water spells being added to switch up the rotation?