Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[NikolaiShade]

He’s not going to do stuff like that without a push, it will be interesting to see where that comes from. Smart money is on Lothraxion but it could be as simple as a reaction to void stuff happening on Azeroth and him overreacting.

btw shouldn't we out Lothraxion as a sleeping agent or best case scenario a not so trustworthy ally?

Anyway safe bets for the push are Lothraxion, Yrel (right from AU draeor) or a conflict with Anduin about the future of the Alliance

[huth]

I mean denathrius didn't leave behind a robot corpse either, we just killed him and his soul was put into the blade.

Remornia absorbed him before we got the chance to kill him, actually. So whether he would leave a corpse behind on death is unclear.

We also don't know how and by what Zovaal is ultimately killed (as opposed to defeated).

[EbaumsTipster]

btw shouldn't we out Lothraxion as a sleeping agent or best case scenario a not so trustworthy ally?

It’s not canon that the player characters pick up those lore books, so nobody but the actual players know he is an agent.

Malganis may drop a line about it in his fight.

Speaking of: does killing a Nathrezim in the Shadowlands kill them for real?

[Makabreska]

Remornia absorbed him before we got the chance to kill him, actually. So whether he would leave a corpse behind on death is unclear.

We also don't know how and by what Zovaal is ultimately killed (as opposed to defeated).

Well by his HP bar hitting 0%, of course! :v

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It’s not canon that the player characters pick up those lore books, so nobody but the actual players know he is an agent.

Malganis may drop a line about it in his fight.

Wait. It is confirmed Lothraxion is double agent? Hoooooly shit! A member of a race famed for it's duplicity is a traitor? At this point you can just instantly assume Derplord will betray the moment you see him under different command than Danny.

[NikolaiShade]

It’s not canon that the player characters pick up those lore books, so nobody but the actual players know he is an agent.

Malganis may drop a line about it in his fight.

Speaking of: does killing a Nathrezim in the Shadowlands kill them for real?

good question, anyway I'm starting to think denathrius would have been a cooler mastermind

[EbaumsTipster]

I just realized the first bit of writing that actually annoys me in 9.2: the Nathrezim still are helping Zovaal despite him betraying/giving up on Denathrius.

As devs the idea is to have Malganis in the patch because he helped corrupt Arthas but unless it’s 50000d chess I don’t know why they would still be helping him.

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good question, anyway I'm starting to think denathrius would have been a cooler mastermind

He did all of Zovaals work at the very least. We don’t know how much was his idea and how much was Zovaals. Blizz will play with that

[Raetary]

Speaking of: does killing a Nathrezim in the Shadowlands kill them for real?

If they have a demon soul, probably not.

[Makabreska]

I just realized the first bit of writing that actually annoys me in 9.2: the Nathrezim still are helping Zovaal despite him betraying/giving up on Denathrius.

As devs the idea is to have Malganis in the patch because he helped corrupt Arthas but unless it’s 50000d chess I don’t know why they would still be helping him.

It could be the fact that they prefer to stick with perceived winners, given that they are born traitors. The love for their daddy might not be that strong, after all.

[huth]

Wait. It is confirmed Lothraxion is double agent? Hoooooly shit! A member of a race famed for it's duplicity is a traitor? At this point you can just instantly assume Derplord will betray the moment you see him under different command than Danny.

Well, we still don't know how Lightforging has affected him. Or how much the Light knows about the Unseen Guests, for that matter. Revendreth suggests they're at least not entirely clueless.

[EbaumsTipster]

I just considered that Lothraxion could be the subject of “Light has made a bargain with the enemy of all “. If that enemy is Death we now know that Death is the ultimate aspect of the Nathrezim, so if Light wanted to have access to Azeroth one day they could have permitted the creation of Lothraxion (who would then summon them to Azeroth or bring it about).

Remember that the Light attack on Revendreth was planned by Denathrius so the Nathrezim could be “exiled” for it. Maybe they worked together?

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

Perhaps the prototypes all went through a similar situation?

There was something about the First Ones predicting the Maw Walker and what the Jailer was going to do, right? Perhaps it came about in the past.

The Prophecy Rabbit Hole is not a place you want to be if you love the lore, I can tell you that. It's why people are pretty oblivious to a lot of this because they do not want to actually dwelve into it. There's so much that was not told about it and presented to the audience.

Again being the Guardian of the Pattern is not a good thing. We just helped our creators who created a hellscape of a universe where we are pawns in a Cosmic Game and we just returned it back to the standard Light vs Void scenario of other simulations. Our only chance of escape from the Simulation has ended and we are now continuing our journey as slaves to the cosmic forces in this Simulation of what is now returning back to its default state that being Light Versus Void.

Also the whole Zovaal is a beep boop robot is pretty problematic due to the Maw collectables but hey who cares, lets go into BFA Cosmic Edition!

[Lmaop]

Im not seeing anything from the datamining that leads to a revamp or even a timeskip

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

Also man, the potential they had with Zovaalbot looking sad if they just had built up his character and explained the problems of the universe and just built this up. Such a shame.

[EbaumsTipster]

Im not seeing anything from the datamining that leads to a revamp or even a timeskip

Remodeled Nelf and Human structures have been in the files for a while. Doubt they are on the Dragon Isles.

[Lmaop]

Remodeled Nelf and Human structures have been in the files for a while. Doubt they are on the Dragon Isles.

? Ok i mean obviously 9.2 tho

[huth]

Also the whole Zovaal is a beep boop robot is pretty problematic due to the Maw collectables but hey who cares, lets go into BFA Cosmic Edition!

It's also heavily contradicted. He may be a robot, but one controlled by a highly advanced AI.

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

It's also heavily contradicted. He may be a robot, but one controlled by a highly advanced AI.

Again, it's really weird because the reason why our Determinism of our player characters is disrupted in the Shadowlands is due to the Prophecy which basically console commands the universe to let our player characters aka The Maw Walkers win no matter what. Our determinism in Reality is non-compromised which is how the Dreadlords pushed us in the right direction to let Death claim Reality.

Obviously the problem here is that Zovaal realized the Prophecy only when we entered the Shadowlands and activated the Waystone, he got Rah-Kalo the only other Fatescribe in Shadowlands to rewrite the Prophecy but apparently that failed with the Zovaalbot being a thing and he basically got destroyed due to his own arrogance.

But yeah, WoW is in a really weird space going forward and I think it will basically be the same as the whole "Yrel is in our Universe now" thing that most people don't know about but even far more consequential going forward.

But also again why not change the code to not make the Prophecy necessary. It's just silly.

Every Force just seems to have been corrupted with Free Will and that is what brought the Universe to this silly state with territory wars. But, our Azeroth in this Cycle was inhabited by our player characters which had the upper hand due to our existence in Reality while being infinitely powerful due to our connection to Azeroth herself and all the forces wanted Azeroth for themselves due to its importance as claiming Azeroth would put their Force in a Win State instead of the fate of Reality which is everything is consumed by Void whether Light or Void won the War.

[EbaumsTipster]

No timeskip, no large-scale revamp. 10.0 is dragon isles.

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[huth]

But also again why not change the code to not make the Prophecy necessary. It's just silly.

No, that's mostly you making definitive statements about a prophecy you don't actually know any details about.

We don't know what the prophecy details, how specific it is, or even whether it is actually enforced or just the First Ones knowing and understanding how their systems work and what the most likely outcome of certain actions will be.

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

No, that's mostly you making definitive statements about a prophecy you don't actually know any details about.

We don't know what the prophecy details, how specific it is, or even whether it is actually enforced or just the First Ones knowing and understanding how their systems work and what the most likely outcome of certain actions will be.

Well, I mean its outcome happened and Roh-Kalo changing it did not occur. Sooo.

The fate still stands as us saving the Shadowlands which seems to be the likeliest event and the only detail that we actually have about the Prophecy from in-game dialogue.