Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[sandini]

I really hope Blizzard will introduce new factions or revisit old factions, which are meant to stay relevant in the game for more than 1 addon.
They can be goofy, they can be serious, but the game really needs more story/storyplots in the game grounded with the denizens of Azeroth and not just this overconvoluted story about the Old ones.

For example splintered Earthen Ring factions, like Water Speaker, tide sages, Wind Caller etc.
Blood Sail Bukaneers and their plots and different crews
The dark raiders of Karazhan
the lorewalkers, especially Lorewalker Cho
I loved the story about the emerald witch Widow Greenpaw in Jade forest, more of that.
Thros the blighted lands and the witches
and so on...

There are so many plotlines, that can be reintroduced, expanded and made into a good storyline.
Even the Shadowlord denizens could be introduced to Azeroth. Brokers should be able to travel across the veil, so should the rest be. Nathrezim originate from the Shadowlands, but you can find them in Azeroth, on Drainor and Argus.
The trolls can built new temples/ziggurates to pay homage to Bomsamdi/Voljin/Muhzela and call on the spirits of ardenweald and the wild gods.
Same with the nightelves: why not use the connection in the emerald dream to cumunicate with the victims of teldrassils burning or the night fae as guides for druids.
When the Maghar joined the horde, Botani, Saberon and Arakkoa went to Azeroth, I want to see them and the civilisation they built.
Arakkoa zealots would also be a great addition for the Army of the light.
They could even introduce us to Elune on Azeroth, you don´t need to go into the cosmos for that. (I really would love a Moonfall expansion for wow, with tidal waves early in the add on because of the moon falling and reworked zones where the moon crashed into Azeroth)

[Alanar]

He’s not going to do stuff like that without a push, it will be interesting to see where that comes from. Smart money is on Lothraxion but it could be as simple as a reaction to void stuff happening on Azeroth and him overreacting.

He could see visions or the light calling him to push through. The naaru spreading influences and especially on Turalyon could make him see things the wrong way. Xera being the prime influencer would be enough to make some.one so strong in the faith of light do to weird things.

I would dig a campaign like this.. you know stirr some shit up with characters everyone think their safe.

Lorthaxion and yrel are to obvious plotpoints.. I rather see it start somewhere else.. it would be awesome tbh if we find out lorthaxion is really converted and is really our ally would make us question the dreadlords yet again.

But this is wow.. so the obvious thing will happen. Lorthaxion is a spy, yrel was promised alot by the light, she she is sort of brainwashed etc etc.

[Lady Atia]

I really hope Blizzard will introduce new factions or revisit old factions, which are meant to stay relevant in the game for more than 1 addon.
They can be goofy, they can be serious, but the game really needs more story/storyplots in the game grounded with the denizens of Azeroth and not just this overconvoluted story about the Old ones.

For example splintered Earthen Ring factions, like Water Speaker, tide sages, Wind Caller etc.
Blood Sail Bukaneers and their plots and different crews
The dark raiders of Karazhan
the lorewalkers, especially Lorewalker Cho
I loved the story about the emerald witch Widow Greenpaw in Jade forest, more of that.
Thros the blighted lands and the witches
and so on...

There are so many plotlines, that can be reintroduced, expanded and made into a good storyline.
Even the Shadowlord denizens could be introduced to Azeroth. Brokers should be able to travel across the veil, so should the rest be. Nathrezim originate from the Shadowlands, but you can find them in Azeroth, on Drainor and Argus.
The trolls can built new temples/ziggurates to pay homage to Bomsamdi/Voljin/Muhzela and call on the spirits of ardenweald and the wild gods.
Same with the nightelves: why not use the connection in the emerald dream to cumunicate with the victims of teldrassils burning or the night fae as guides for druids.
When the Maghar joined the horde, Botani, Saberon and Arakkoa went to Azeroth, I want to see them and the civilisation they built.
Arakkoa zealots would also be a great addition for the Army of the light.
They could even introduce us to Elune on Azeroth, you don´t need to go into the cosmos for that. (I really would love a Moonfall expansion for wow, with tidal waves early in the add on because of the moon falling and reworked zones where the moon crashed into Azeroth)

If a freaking moon would crash into Azeroth we would all die instantly.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

If a freaking moon would crash into Azeroth we would all die instantly.

Outside of magical intervention yeah, the moon crashing to Azeroth is an extinction level event.

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

I don't know how they fit 9.2.5 into the release schedule. 8.3 did not have a x.x.5 patch and somehow this expansion can fit it in. What a trainwreck on fire, I have no idea what is even going on anymore.

At least they haven't filed for monetization changes, so I guess its' not going Seasonal but this blue post is a real oddity considering the timeframe they are working on. (When is 9.2.5 supposed to launch? lol? The same timeframe as when 10.0 Announcement and Alpha?)

Unless, Bobby has shown mercy and or he's stepping down and letting someone else take the show since the coming 3 dead Quarters are going to not impress investors.

[EbaumsTipster]

Another Light/Void comparison: Zandalari and Darkspear switching Loa, with the Darkspear getting a Light loa and the Zandalari having a darker one. Unsure what this will bring beyond Darkspear paladins.

[huth]

Are earth elementals machines?

Was the elemental in question artificially constructed?

[EbaumsTipster]

I don't know how they fit 9.2.5 into the release schedule. 8.3 did not have a x.x.5 patch and somehow this expansion can fit it in. What a trainwreck on fire, I have no idea what is even going on anymore.

At least they haven't filed for monetization changes, so I guess its' not going Seasonal but this blue post is a real oddity considering the timeframe they are working on. (When is 9.2.5 supposed to launch? lol? The same timeframe as when 10.0 Announcement and Alpha?)

Unless, Bobby has shown mercy and or he's stepping down and letting someone else take the show since the coming 3 dead Quarters are going to not impress investors.

If 10.0 is Q4 or 2023 then yeah they need a mid patch. If there is a significant prepatch or preorder bonus they will make big money.

[UndedoKoleda]

Was the elemental in question artificially constructed?

Could be. If an artist made a sculpture out of stone and shamanistic magic was used to bring it to life I guess it could count as earth elemental, but that wouldn't make it a machine. If a girl made a doll out of rags and it was infused with magic to become alive, it wouldn't make it a machine either.

[ExiHext]

Could be. If an artist made a sculpture out of stone and shamanistic magic was used to bring it to life I guess it could count as earth elemental, but that wouldn't make it a machine. If a girl made a doll out of rags and it was infused with magic to become alive, it wouldn't make it a machine either.

Oh my...sorry that english is not my first language and that I put the term "machine" even in quotation marks because I couldn't think of a better word. They are artificially created and didn't evolve or were born through natural measures.

[Sondrelk]

I don't know how they fit 9.2.5 into the release schedule. 8.3 did not have a x.x.5 patch and somehow this expansion can fit it in. What a trainwreck on fire, I have no idea what is even going on anymore.

At least they haven't filed for monetization changes, so I guess its' not going Seasonal but this blue post is a real oddity considering the timeframe they are working on. (When is 9.2.5 supposed to launch? lol? The same timeframe as when 10.0 Announcement and Alpha?)

Unless, Bobby has shown mercy and or he's stepping down and letting someone else take the show since the coming 3 dead Quarters are going to not impress investors.

A 9.2.5 coudm happen anytime after 9.2 comes out. There are almost inevitably things developed for 9.2 that was cut for time like the ZM arena, or things developed concurrently with 10.0 that is finished earlier and could be added for 9.2.5.

And of course, this is all assuming 9.2.5 is actually the last patch before a late 2022, January 2023 10.0 release.
If the expansion takes longer than that, which isn't impossible, then we would realistically need something more meaty to hold players over until then.

[huth]

Could be. If an artist made a sculpture out of stone and shamanistic magic was used to bring it to life I guess it could count as earth elemental, but that wouldn't make it a machine. If a girl made a doll out of rags and it was infused with magic to become alive, it wouldn't make it a machine either.

Actually, both of those would indeed be machines.

[Polybius]

I hope they use the next expansion to build upon timewalking/old content for each expansion similiar to what they did with the legion version:

- Classic: Give us access to old Kalimdor and Eastern Kingdoms via the CoT and also allow us to do old Zul Gurub (and maybe Naxxramas) as Timewalking raid, this way old rewards would still stay quite rare but atleast obtainable.
- TBC: Honestly not quite sure what they can do there, maybe just Sunwell as second TW raid aswell as M+ versions of the Dungeons?
- WotLK: Make an update to the Argent Tournament to bring in existing new races from Cata-BfA similiar to Hearthstone. Say the story is that we host the tournament every few months to clean out the feral Scourge there - basically making it a second Darkmoon Faire. Also maybe WotlK M+ Dungeons.
- Cataclysm: Not much content to harvest there, maybe Cata M+ Dungeons.
- MoP: Throne of Thunder TW raid aswell as Challenge Mode Dungeons - but use the missing third skin for the sets as rewards (f.e. the red paladin set or the blue mage one).
- WoD: Hellfire Citadell as TW raid aswell as Challenge Mode Dungeons - but give us green reskins of the weapons as rewards.

Also they could easily add mounts for finishing each expansions M+15/CM Dungeons, aswell as achievements for clearing each TW raid which are weirdly missing besides the Illidan Glaive one.

Mission tables for all old zones *snickers*

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Are earth elementals machines?

Not in the techno-industrial sense but they are constructs. Machine is just mechanical, and mechanical is a system of parts powering it up. Not sure why many posters here are stuck with the idea that machine means electricity and metal. Old mechanisms to power something up were water, wood and rock.

[Ersula]

So I guess the speculation/theory was that he kick-starts the process of remaking the reality, but we stop him before he is through with it. However, we're a bit late and parts of reality are already changed/altered, thus us getting a revamp or something. At least that is how I read it.

I would have pointed out the fight has Zovaal pelting Azeroth with asteroids & chains. Huge devastation. But oh look its a big fix it button & I'd say the most obvious solution is when we beat the Jailer we just use his soul to fuel the sepulcher to fix Azeroth.

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Actually, both of those would indeed be machines.

Apparently, according to 9.2 lore we're all machines.

I hate it here.

[UndedoKoleda]

Actually, both of those would indeed be machines.

No, they wouldn't.

Not in the techno-industrial sense but they are constructs. Machine is just mechanical, and mechanical is a system of parts powering it up. Not sure why many posters here are stuck with the idea that machine means electricity and metal. Old mechanisms to power something up were water, wood and rock.

Yeah, except they are actually brought to life. By magic. Are water/fire/air elementals machines? Are undead machines? Are ghost wolves machines?

[huth]

No, they wouldn't.



Yeah, except they are actually brought to life. By magic. Are water/fire/air elementals machines? Are undead machines? Are ghost wolves machines?

Yes. They just happen to also have a concious intelligence. That doesn't stop them being machines. "Living" is not a relevant factor here.

[UndedoKoleda]

Yes. They just happen to also have a concious intelligence. That doesn't stop them being machines. "Living" is not a relevant factor here.

No they aren't. Air elementals, for instance, are creatures made out of pure air and energy. Absolutely nothing machinery about that.

A lifeless statue is artificial and yet not a machine. If its infused with magic and brought to life it doesn't become a machine, it becomes a being.

Troggs in WoW are not machines. Mechagnomes are not machines. Elementals are not machines either. They are all beings though.

[Raetary]

Actually, both of those would indeed be machines.

No.

A Machine is a mechanical construct, consisting of a multitude of mechanical and/or electrical components that interact with one another.
A clock is a machine, a computer is a machine.

A doll or rock is not a machine.
It's an inanimate object, which is then animated by magic.

[Makabreska]

Damn, this conversation beats all the Great Arguments of 2021!

[Nightmare Queen]

Another Light/Void comparison: Zandalari and Darkspear switching Loa, with the Darkspear getting a Light loa and the Zandalari having a darker one. Unsure what this will bring beyond Darkspear paladins.

Darker Loa? Do you mean Bwonsamdi, or someone else?

As for Darkspear and their 'Light' Loa, maybe Vol'jin won't be a 100% Light Loa, but a bit more... like a Loa of Hunters or something?