Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Polybius]

That was only really in Vanilla though, and while there was some of the mentality left in TBC it was long gone by the time you got into WotLK.

I suppose the game is trying to get back to that mentality ever since Legion, but the playerbase is adamantly against the kind of game that has even a tiny amount of grind for anything.

I thought it worked fine in Wotlk-WoD. It wasn’t until Legion where they tried to replicate all these mobile game grinds. They went all out in BFA on top of making armor traits RNG.

[TheFirstOnes]

My speculation, hope y'all like it. Gonna make it sound official cause why not lol

10.0: idfk...something something Azeroth related or new lol

9.2 plot synopsis speculation: Despite winning the battle, Zovaal may have won the war. Our battle against the enemy of existence itself within the Heart of Eternity and the very origin of Life, Death, and the eternal cycle between those forces (and the others kinda, though Death represents Eternity and that cycle tbf) results in Zovaal fatally wounding Azeroth, and without the power to heal her (unlike with BFA, where we kinda did), all of existence is doomed to collapse through the inevitability of Eternity's end. This is the horrible truth of existence, without a pattern, and without reality, the forces become nothing but formless, chaotic specimens, and everything the First Ones thought of into the design, as their will demands, every cycle, every law, etc etc is gone...forever. The Warcraft Saga goes into 10.0 as both a revamp for the world, and a new beginning for the Heroes, and a new mission in mind: To bring back balance to the forces and the cycle, so that a new Eternal cycle of PEACE occurs for all of existence.

But first, personal scores must be settled, and Azeroth's Champions must find a way to heal Azeroth. But how?

prepatch can be named Dawn of a new age idfk...

10.0 prepatch visuals: Starting zones for every race updated, capitals are also updated, Elemental and cosmic attacks occur across old world land marks. More zones to be updated during future patches and expansions to ease up on Artist fatigue. New BG? Idk...maybe not.

10.0 prepatch scenario: Stormwind invasion with Lothraxion, etc. Turalyon loses his will to fight as Domination magics have expanded into the Light.

10.0 zone: Dragon Isles. 5 new zones on the backside of Azeroth, each representing a flight in some form.

10.1: Odyn sees we are trying to form a new flight and wants to stop us, same with Helya and they both attack us, we beat them both at Ulduar or so and tell them to piss off.

10.2: Chromatus is freed and the Void are tryna fuck em over into twilight, but so are the Infinite flights, which messes up the balance for this freed Behemoth. We gotta kill em.

10.3: We learn of Life stuff, etc etc.

11.0: Realms of Life expac, or Order. One of the two...leading into Zereth Vitae or Ordos.

[Polybius]

My speculation, hope y'all like it. Gonna make it sound official cause why not lol

10.0: idfk...something something Azeroth related or new lol

9.2 plot synopsis speculation: Despite winning the battle, Zovaal may have won the war. Our battle against the enemy of existence itself within the Heart of Eternity and the very origin of Life, Death, and the eternal cycle between those forces (and the others kinda, though Death represents Eternity and that cycle tbf) results in Zovaal fatally wounding Azeroth, and without the power to heal her (unlike with BFA, where we kinda did), all of existence is doomed to collapse through the inevitability of Eternity's end. This is the horrible truth of existence, without a pattern, and without reality, the forces become nothing but formless, chaotic specimens, and everything the First Ones thought of into the design, as their will demands, every cycle, every law, etc etc is gone...forever. The Warcraft Saga goes into 10.0 as both a revamp for the world, and a new beginning for the Heroes, and a new mission in mind: To bring back balance to the forces and the cycle, so that a new Eternal cycle of PEACE occurs for all of existence.

But first, personal scores must be settled, and Azeroth's Champions must find a way to heal Azeroth. But how?

prepatch can be named Dawn of a new age idfk...

10.0 prepatch visuals: Starting zones for every race updated, capitals are also updated, Elemental and cosmic attacks occur across old world land marks. More zones to be updated during future patches and expansions to ease up on Artist fatigue. New BG? Idk...maybe not.

10.0 prepatch scenario: Stormwind invasion with Lothraxion, etc. Turalyon loses his will to fight as Domination magics have expanded into the Light.

10.0 zone: Dragon Isles. 5 new zones on the backside of Azeroth, each representing a flight in some form.

10.1: Odyn sees we are trying to form a new flight and wants to stop us, same with Helya and they both attack us, we beat them both at Ulduar or so and tell them to piss off.

10.2: Chromatus is freed and the Void are tryna fuck em over into twilight, but so are the Infinite flights, which messes up the balance for this freed Behemoth. We gotta kill em.

10.3: We learn of Life stuff, etc etc.

11.0: Realms of Life expac, or Order. One of the two...leading into Zereth Vitae.

Oh man I had forgotten about Chromatus. He was supposed to be in Cata.

[Sondrelk]

I thought it worked fine in Wotlk-WoD. It wasn’t until Legion where they tried to replicate all these mobile game grinds. They went all out in BFA on top of making armor traits RNG.

So systems outside of raid worked fine, even in the expansion that gave the player 3-4 quests tied to the raid and absolutely nothing else of value to take inside?

Also, what are you talking about with armor traits in BfA being RNG? Every single piece of Azerite had fixed traits.
If you are going to shittalk BfA at least do it with problems that were real and not made up.

[Ersula]

Realms of Life expac, or Order. One of the two...leading into Zereth Vitae or Ordos.

The idea there are equivalents to Zareth Mortis pretty much ignore the all the lore in 9.2 about all living things originating from Zareth Mortis. If all life originates from Zareth Mortis wtf would a Zareth Vitae even do?

But first, personal scores must be settled, and Azeroth's Champions must find a way to heal Azeroth. But how?

If you need a world soul to use the sepulcher, just use Zovaal's soul to fix everything he broke. Problem solved.

[Raetary]

pretty much ignore the all the lore in 9.2 about all living things originating from Zareth Mortis.

It doesn't ignore any such lore, as that lore doesn't exist.

[Fahrad Wagner]

Is my ceilling damaged or... is full of leaks around here?

[KOUNTERPARTS]

Is my ceilling damaged or... is full of leaks around here?

Not even "good" leaks. It has been the same repeatedly banner user creating numerous burner accounts spamming the same shit over and over, for the most part.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Is my ceilling damaged or... is full of leaks around here?

Drywood leaks.

[GR8GODZILLAGOD]

Is my ceilling damaged or... is full of leaks around here?

Yeah, but it's coming from your upstairs neighbor's toilet.

[Shadochi]

Is my ceilling damaged or... is full of leaks around here?

Time to assemble the plumbe... I mean the Brotherhood!

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Not even "good" leaks. It has been the same repeatedly banner user creating numerous burner accounts spamming the same shit over and over, for the most part.

Same as it has always been tbf

[Revamp Man]

I don't argue that the scandals and patch release did not hurt, they absolutely did.. But I urge you to look into the topics prior to WoW's scandal hit. The systems are 100% what a ton of casual players hate. I've been monitoring the forums since the start of January and I can say that from this forum, WoW's forum, Reddit, and YT the comments that appear the most consistent are complaints from casual players.

And that's 100% on Ion, and that dude can't even bring himself to talk about casual players in interviews, because when he does he starts stammering and looking uncomfortable.

The systems are 100% what casuals championed and told everyone else “meaningful choice” for a year

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Oh man I had forgotten about Chromatus. He was supposed to be in Cata.

And with the loss of the aspects he’s more threatening than before

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Same as it has always been tbf

Your spreadsheet gives me nostalgia for all the “shadowlands class skins” and the WoD leaker failing

[Fahrad Wagner]

Time to assemble the plumbe... I mean the Brotherhood!

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Same as it has always been tbf

If only there was an easy way to purge those forums from all that cr*p... wait a minute... I have an idea...

[Makabreska]

I think this is the biggest "leaks" flood we ever heard, especially that we are not that close to potential reveal.

[Fahrad Wagner]

I think this is the biggest "leaks" flood we ever heard, especially that we are not that close to potential reveal.

It is all rather sudden and massive yes! That wowhead dragon mount article probably didn't help...

[Vasoka]

So what the fuck's up with the sudden influx of like dozens of leaks?

[Orwell7]

The systems are 100% what casuals championed and told everyone else “meaningful choice” for a year

WTF sorry?
Only Blizzard championed it AND SOME BLIZZARD FANBOIS, who could be paid "influencers" so to speak, nobody knows nowadays.
Not a single person I knew thought it was a good idea tho.

[Ersula]

Do you think the devs will realize the irony that Sylvanas' punishment for genocide is the same grind they've forced players to do?

It doesn't ignore any such lore, as that lore doesn't exist.

Danuser says it directly with his big fat mouth: All known life comes from Zareth Mortis.

[KainneAbsolute]

I think Guild Wars 2 tries to anticipate the classes/specs from WoW

Guild Wars 2 offered the Revenant, a blindfolded class...then we got the DH in WoW. In GW2, we will see the mechanism spec, and we will get the Tinkerer in WoW?

[Sondrelk]

So what the fuck's up with the sudden influx of like dozens of leaks?

Tends to be how leaks work. Fairly quiet with little in the way of leaks being posted, then suddenly one gains traction and it opens the floodgates.

I guess this time it just felt weird seeing as we don't have any actual date for when to expect actual info, so we just see leaks rather than a combination of those and regular discussion on what will be revealed.

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Do you think the devs will realize the irony that Sylvanas' punishment for genocide is the same grind they've forced players to do?


Danuser says it directly with his big fat mouth: All known life comes from Zareth Mortis.

Given how the Maw was effectively abandoned after 9.0 outside the assaults, I am tempted to say they are quite aware the soul gathering grind is known to them.

Also, it would have been a fitting punishment even if players loved it. A weekly gathering of souls is 20, and Sylvanas is going to have to save millions.

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I don't consider these even pretend leaks, it's just people guessing or writing a wishlist. Make some graphics, take a crooked blurry picture of your monitor, at least try a little bit lol

That is very true. Usually we get at least two high quality "leaks".
The ones for this expansion springs to mind. The one with ghostly ships invading Stormwind led by Sylvanas was a nice one, not to mention the one that claimed to show off an Azerite themed Tinker spec.

Personally I find the maps to be the most interesting ones. Takes a lot of creativity to make something that seems like it would fit WoW.