Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[EDreamer]

That is a huge assumption.

Literally every screenshot posted in that post was of the zone Desolace.

If they were hinting at the Emerald Dream then we'd get more stereotypical NE/Druidic zones like Ashenvale, Val'sharrah, Moonglade, Hyjal, Feralas etc.

Actually, the screenshots of Desolace are all revitalised parts of the zone, not parts destroyed by the Cataclysm but parts that grew and evolved during the old world revamp. That, alongside the caption "focus on the journey, not the destination" are more indicative of a potential world rebuilding revamp as opposed to a hint at the Emerald Dream - of which Desolace has no links or ties.

Is that true? That's clever if so. I bet we'll see more tweets like this in the weeks to come.

Hell.. there's even a WORLD emoji.

[huth]

Like Turks were using monster bombards to take down Constantinople walls in 1453, Monster Bombards were quite advanced cannnons.
There must have been pretty good cannons long time ago.

In 1420 Hussites, used hand cannons. And also big cannons only. No more catapult and this is still late medieval.

Your point being? Also, bombards are anything but advanced cannons, they're technologically pretty simplistic.

Your evidence is hardly convincing, either. What places it in the renaissance is the presence of renaissance technologies, not the absence of medieval ones. Inventions don't just poof out of existence.

[Khaza-R]

That is a huge assumption.

Literally every screenshot posted in that post was of the zone Desolace.

If they were hinting at the Emerald Dream then we'd get more stereotypical NE/Druidic zones like Ashenvale, Val'sharrah, Moonglade, Hyjal, Feralas etc.

Actually, the screenshots of Desolace are all revitalised parts of the zone, not parts destroyed by the Cataclysm but parts that grew and evolved during the old world revamp. That, alongside the caption "focus on the journey, not the destination" are more indicative of a potential world rebuilding revamp as opposed to a hint at the Emerald Dream - of which Desolace has no links or ties.

Them all being Desolace is interesting. And specifically all places where life bloomed after the Cenarion Circle tried to turn the wastes green.

Next expansion might not specifically be the Emerald Dream but it does seem like regrowth will be a major theme imo

[Wadrak]

Your point being? Also, bombards are anything but advanced cannons, they're technologically pretty simplistic.

Your evidence is hardly convincing, either. What places it in the renaissance is the presence of renaissance technologies, not the absence of medieval ones. Inventions don't just poof out of existence.

Well in warcraft 3, human main building is Town hall, which you can upgrade to Keep and then finally Castle.

Castles were being used from 9th to 15 century, where they stop being build due to advances in siege cannons.

Also the Keep, which is type of Castle used in 12, 13th century. Castles one of main symbols of medieval era.

Not to mention Knights are also symbol of medieval era and part of wow, disapeared in 15 century.

After Battle of Agincourt in 1415 where French knights lost is considered end of knights and this is still Medieval Era.

[huth]

Well in warcraft 3, human main building is Town hall, which you can upgrade to Keep and then finally Castle.

Castles were being used from 9th to 15 century, where they stop being build due to advances in siege cannons.

Also the Keep, which is type of Castle used in 12, 13th century. Castles one of main symbols of medieval era.

Not to mention Knights are also symbol of medieval era and part of wow, disapeared in 15 century.

After Battle of Agincourt in 1415 where French knights lost is considered end of knights and this is still Medieval Era.

Again, we have things around that didn't come up before the renaissance. Also, the presence of magic might change how long a technology stays viable. And while knights specifially lost importance, cavalry persisted until the 20th century.

[Wadrak]

Again, we have things around that didn't come up before the renaissance. Also, the presence of magic might change how long a technology stays viable. And while knights specifially lost importance, cavalry persisted until the 20th century.

They are also spaceships in warcraft so ...

But the clothing of citizens of stormwind looks like high/late medieval to me.

Tbh I dont like the renaissance idea because its not attractive. Not sure Warcraft would look good in full renaissance.

Like for example Napoleonic soldiers in their silly looking uniforms with muskets, wouldn't fit too well into fantasy game.

And renaissance is already like that, soldiers using similar type of professional uniforms.

I dont like that style.

[Archmage Xaxxas]

Having been feeling tapped out story-wise for the first time in my 10+ years playing,
I wouldn't even mind an Emerald Dream/ "Realms of Life" focused set at this point.

One has to think it would encompass some of our old favorites, ala Elune, Ysera and her Green Flight, Freya and other Keepers, Eonar and the Titans? Old Gods/Nightmare
and then tack on the First Ones and some Zereth hints, idk.. Might not even be horrible. Get some clarity there.

As long as the beings we're helping/fighting feel more "from home", and have more individual substance than some of the SL mobs, it could be a decent little stretch.

and then I'd take into consideration Ion's insistence on us probably returning to some more Azerothian adventures.
Maybe we'd be having a more grounded Portal-Entry-from-Azeroth-Zone into the Emerald Dream as a way to make sure it's not a Cosmic expansion at it's core.

and then who knows what kind of patch content could be based on Azeroth at that point. I don't feel like we'll get "Danuser's Emerald Dream", but if we did, and I try to be hyped, that's the best I can muster right now lol.

[Varodoc]

Yrel will be featured in the next expansion due to her updated Battle.Net icon.

Turalyon will be featured due to being linked to Yrel thematically and aesthetically.

Alleria will be featured due to being linked to both characters thematically, aesthetically, and story-wise.

These are my predictions and this is what I have foreseen for the future.

[huth]

They are also spaceships in warcraft so ...

But the clothing of citizens of stormwind looks like high/late medieval to me.

Tbh I dont like the renaissance idea because its not attractive. Not sure Warcraft would look good in full renaissance.

Like for example Napoleonic soldiers in their silly looking uniforms with muskets, wouldn't fit too well into fantasy game.

And renaissance is already like that, soldiers using similar type of professional uniforms.

I dont like that style.

Well, then you don't get full plate, either. Also, uh, Napoleon? The guy that lived over 100 years after the renaissance?

I think you need to look up when the renaissance was.

[Livingworld]

every day it feels more likely that LivingWorld is what they are calling the new phase of Azeroth that we will see in the future

what if the next expansion is Cata 2, but instead of a destruction theme it’s the opposite and it’s healing themed? it could be why Calia is the new leader for Forsaken, cus both Tirisfal and east plaguelands would need to be healed if she wants Lordaeron back. and the Belves could heal the Ghostlands

[Wadrak]

Well, then you don't get full plate, either.

But warcraft is fantasy.

In fantasy you can use your imagination, your "fantasy" to create juiced up, over top, cool, fun world. You can add whatever you want.

And thats exactly what blizzard did.

Thats why the soldiers wear plate armour.
Its more cool. Its more powerful protection and it looks much better.

You can make in medieval era warcraft, soldiers wear plate armour.

Also, uh, Napoleon? The guy that lived over 100 years after the renaissance?

I think you need to look up when the renaissance was.

I know Napoleon was 100 years later but im saying renasaince is similar to Napoleon.

For example do you want characters in wow look like Three Musketeers ? With weird hats and capes ? They are from 1620.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Having been feeling tapped out story-wise for the first time in my 10+ years playing,
I wouldn't even mind an Emerald Dream/ "Realms of Life" focused set at this point.

One has to think it would encompass some of our old favorites, ala Elune, Ysera and her Green Flight, Freya and other Keepers, Eonar and the Titans? Old Gods/Nightmare
and then tack on the First Ones and some Zereth hints, idk.. Might not even be horrible. Get some clarity there.

As long as the beings we're helping/fighting feel more "from home", and have more individual substance than some of the SL mobs, it could be a decent little stretch.

and then I'd take into consideration Ion's insistence on us probably returning to some more Azerothian adventures.
Maybe we'd be having a more grounded Portal-Entry-from-Azeroth-Zone into the Emerald Dream as a way to make sure it's not a Cosmic expansion at it's core.

and then who knows what kind of patch content could be based on Azeroth at that point. I don't feel like we'll get "Danuser's Emerald Dream", but if we did, and I try to be hyped, that's the best I can muster right now lol.

No I'm pretty sure its Azeroth related hijinks, I don't buy any emerald dream stuff. I'm also not hating cosmic stuff when its around. Its just how I feel, I rather they commit to it when they do it(See how we're on the last SL patch soon, that irks me).


It doesn't help of recent details relating to afriasbi and Sylvanas emerging that make me sigh in general but thats an off tangent.

[Makabreska]

It doesn't help of recent details relating to afriasbi and Sylvanas emerging that make me sigh in general but thats an off tangent.

Sup with that?

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Sup with that?

A big big SUPPOSEDLY Afrisabi had some vendetta involving Sylvanas which involved Teldrassil(Cause I guess it was in response to Garrosh or something). Again very alleged from one of the voice actors(Alleria windrunner's voice actress for HS).

[huth]

I know Napoleon was 100 years later but im saying renasaince is similar to Napoleon.

For example do you want characters in wow look like Three Musketeers ? With weird hats and capes ? They are from 1620.

And Stormwind would probably be around 1500. Besides, 1600 is also a time when full plate was (relatively) widely available.

And no, a medieval footmen should never be wearing plate. Ever. Mail shirts are fine. Plate is not. Renaissance is still pushing it (though due to cost, not availability), but is at least possible.

[Revamp Man]

Sup with that?

He purposely made teldrassil happen because of some kinda grudge or something

[Makabreska]

A big big SUPPOSEDLY Afrisabi had some vendetta involving Sylvanas which involved Teldrassil(Cause I guess it was in response to Garrosh or something). Again very alleged from one of the voice actors(Alleria windrunner's voice actress for HS).

Well that just sounds too dumb.

[Wadrak]

And Stormwind would probably be around 1500. Besides, 1600 is also a time when full plate was (relatively) widely available.

And no, a medieval footmen should never be wearing plate. Ever. Mail shirts are fine. Plate is not. Renaissance is still pushing it (though due to cost, not availability), but is at least possible.

From wikipedia you can check it.

"By about 1420, complete suits of plate armour had been developed in Europe."

Not much to add.

[huth]

From wikipedia you can check it.

"By about 1420, complete suits of plate armour had been developed in Europe."

Which is a whopping 30 years before the end of the medieval. Also, they had been developed. They were not yet widespread, and certainly not remotely cheap.

You're pretty much just undermining yourself here.

[Ersula]

Also I guess Afrasaibi had a problem with Danuser so he purposely made Sylvanas more obviously evil in BfA according to Alleria’s VA

Considering Danuser is one of the few people who loved the GoT finale & The Burning of Teldrassil was a ripoff of that, I don't believe that.

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And Stormwind would probably be around 1500. Besides, 1600 is also a time when full plate was (relatively) widely available.

And no, a medieval footmen should never be wearing plate. Ever. Mail shirts are fine. Plate is not. Renaissance is still pushing it (though due to cost, not availability), but is at least possible.

Ma'am, we have spaceships.