Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[huth]

They are also spaceships in warcraft so ...

But the clothing of citizens of stormwind looks like high/late medieval to me.

Tbh I dont like the renaissance idea because its not attractive. Not sure Warcraft would look good in full renaissance.

Like for example Napoleonic soldiers in their silly looking uniforms with muskets, wouldn't fit too well into fantasy game.

And renaissance is already like that, soldiers using similar type of professional uniforms.

I dont like that style.

Well, then you don't get full plate, either. Also, uh, Napoleon? The guy that lived over 100 years after the renaissance?

I think you need to look up when the renaissance was.

[Livingworld]

every day it feels more likely that LivingWorld is what they are calling the new phase of Azeroth that we will see in the future

what if the next expansion is Cata 2, but instead of a destruction theme it’s the opposite and it’s healing themed? it could be why Calia is the new leader for Forsaken, cus both Tirisfal and east plaguelands would need to be healed if she wants Lordaeron back. and the Belves could heal the Ghostlands

[Wadrak]

Well, then you don't get full plate, either.

But warcraft is fantasy.

In fantasy you can use your imagination, your "fantasy" to create juiced up, over top, cool, fun world. You can add whatever you want.

And thats exactly what blizzard did.

Thats why the soldiers wear plate armour.
Its more cool. Its more powerful protection and it looks much better.

You can make in medieval era warcraft, soldiers wear plate armour.

Also, uh, Napoleon? The guy that lived over 100 years after the renaissance?

I think you need to look up when the renaissance was.

I know Napoleon was 100 years later but im saying renasaince is similar to Napoleon.

For example do you want characters in wow look like Three Musketeers ? With weird hats and capes ? They are from 1620.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Having been feeling tapped out story-wise for the first time in my 10+ years playing,
I wouldn't even mind an Emerald Dream/ "Realms of Life" focused set at this point.

One has to think it would encompass some of our old favorites, ala Elune, Ysera and her Green Flight, Freya and other Keepers, Eonar and the Titans? Old Gods/Nightmare
and then tack on the First Ones and some Zereth hints, idk.. Might not even be horrible. Get some clarity there.

As long as the beings we're helping/fighting feel more "from home", and have more individual substance than some of the SL mobs, it could be a decent little stretch.

and then I'd take into consideration Ion's insistence on us probably returning to some more Azerothian adventures.
Maybe we'd be having a more grounded Portal-Entry-from-Azeroth-Zone into the Emerald Dream as a way to make sure it's not a Cosmic expansion at it's core.

and then who knows what kind of patch content could be based on Azeroth at that point. I don't feel like we'll get "Danuser's Emerald Dream", but if we did, and I try to be hyped, that's the best I can muster right now lol.

No I'm pretty sure its Azeroth related hijinks, I don't buy any emerald dream stuff. I'm also not hating cosmic stuff when its around. Its just how I feel, I rather they commit to it when they do it(See how we're on the last SL patch soon, that irks me).


It doesn't help of recent details relating to afriasbi and Sylvanas emerging that make me sigh in general but thats an off tangent.

[Makabreska]

It doesn't help of recent details relating to afriasbi and Sylvanas emerging that make me sigh in general but thats an off tangent.

Sup with that?

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Sup with that?

A big big SUPPOSEDLY Afrisabi had some vendetta involving Sylvanas which involved Teldrassil(Cause I guess it was in response to Garrosh or something). Again very alleged from one of the voice actors(Alleria windrunner's voice actress for HS).

[huth]

I know Napoleon was 100 years later but im saying renasaince is similar to Napoleon.

For example do you want characters in wow look like Three Musketeers ? With weird hats and capes ? They are from 1620.

And Stormwind would probably be around 1500. Besides, 1600 is also a time when full plate was (relatively) widely available.

And no, a medieval footmen should never be wearing plate. Ever. Mail shirts are fine. Plate is not. Renaissance is still pushing it (though due to cost, not availability), but is at least possible.

[Revamp Man]

Sup with that?

He purposely made teldrassil happen because of some kinda grudge or something

[Makabreska]

A big big SUPPOSEDLY Afrisabi had some vendetta involving Sylvanas which involved Teldrassil(Cause I guess it was in response to Garrosh or something). Again very alleged from one of the voice actors(Alleria windrunner's voice actress for HS).

Well that just sounds too dumb.

[Wadrak]

And Stormwind would probably be around 1500. Besides, 1600 is also a time when full plate was (relatively) widely available.

And no, a medieval footmen should never be wearing plate. Ever. Mail shirts are fine. Plate is not. Renaissance is still pushing it (though due to cost, not availability), but is at least possible.

From wikipedia you can check it.

"By about 1420, complete suits of plate armour had been developed in Europe."

Not much to add.

[huth]

From wikipedia you can check it.

"By about 1420, complete suits of plate armour had been developed in Europe."

Which is a whopping 30 years before the end of the medieval. Also, they had been developed. They were not yet widespread, and certainly not remotely cheap.

You're pretty much just undermining yourself here.

[Ersula]

Also I guess Afrasaibi had a problem with Danuser so he purposely made Sylvanas more obviously evil in BfA according to Alleria’s VA

Considering Danuser is one of the few people who loved the GoT finale & The Burning of Teldrassil was a ripoff of that, I don't believe that.

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And Stormwind would probably be around 1500. Besides, 1600 is also a time when full plate was (relatively) widely available.

And no, a medieval footmen should never be wearing plate. Ever. Mail shirts are fine. Plate is not. Renaissance is still pushing it (though due to cost, not availability), but is at least possible.

Ma'am, we have spaceships.

[Wadrak]

Which is a whopping 30 years before the end of the medieval. Also, they had been developed. They were not yet widespread, and certainly not remotely cheap.

You're pretty much just undermining yourself here.

You said no medieval footmam should wear medieval armour ever, yet there is clear evidence many of them did.

Not to mention the fact the plate armour itself, was a very bad idea on its own ...

It was never effective, because of firearms which could pierce it or all kinds of armour piercing weapons, maces etc ...

So eventually and pretty quickly was stop being used completely.

But in Warcraft you have new fantasy materials, like Mithril, Thorium, Saronite etc etc...

Which could make them much more effective then in real life.

[Sondrelk]

Well that just sounds too dumb.

The entire plotline with Teldrassil was dumb to begin with. It being caused by a grudge in the developer offices does actually make some sense all things considered.
It's not like the Teldrassil plotline was really ever given any kind of payoff. Unlike Undercity being blown up whose story is still ongoing the Teldrassil plot has just kinda fizzled out once it became clear the story wasnt going to be able to even remotely support it.

Either Teldrassil burned because of internal office politics, or because the writers just wanted a shocking moment and didnt put much more effort into it than that. And at least the first option makes the writers come across less incompetent seeing as the main flaws of BfA and SL can in many ways be traced back to that one event. If it was up to them then it's awful writing, but if it was because of pettiness by Afrasiabi then at least it's them getting stuck with an unworkable plot.

[Raetary]

He purposely made teldrassil happen because of some kinda grudge or something

Considering Blizzards work culture and shitty management, wouldn't surprise me if this was true.

[Ersula]

The entire plotline with Teldrassil was dumb to begin with. It being caused by a grudge in the developer offices does actually make some sense all things considered.

Ah yes the "It was a spur of the moment decision" & "She had special mages standing by that would make the fire spread super fast, faster than the two minutes it would take to evacuate" kind of writing we can associate with this era

[Makabreska]

The entire plotline with Teldrassil was dumb to begin with. It being caused by a grudge in the developer offices does actually make some sense all things considered.
It's not like the Teldrassil plotline was really ever given any kind of payoff. Unlike Undercity being blown up whose story is still ongoing the Teldrassil plot has just kinda fizzled out once it became clear the story wasnt going to be able to even remotely support it.

Either Teldrassil burned because of internal office politics, or because the writers just wanted a shocking moment and didnt put much more effort into it than that. And at least the first option makes the writers come across less incompetent seeing as the main flaws of BfA and SL can in many ways be traced back to that one event. If it was up to them then it's awful writing, but if it was because of pettiness by Afrasiabi then at least it's them getting stuck with an unworkable plot.

I really don't buy any grudge as a reason. They simply wanted to start the final faction war with a huge shock moment to get players riled up. And then they incorporated it into Jailers plan as they most likely planned all along.

[Sondrelk]

I really don't buy any grudge as a reason. They simply wanted to start the final faction war with a huge shock moment to get players riled up. And then they incorporated it into Jailers plan as they most likely planned all along.

That it was done to create a shocking moment is clear. There is afterall as I said no narrative payoff for the event happening, and probably never will be. The story would have worked just as well if the dead Sylvanas condemned to superhell were just the regular soldiers of the Alliance and Horde.
The best reason to have that event happen in regards to serving the story is that it makes Sylvanas come across like especially evil, which is the part that really drags the story down.

I read some more of the backstory to this speculation though, and it sounds like the grudge more specifically came across by making Sylvanas especially evil, which the story really didnt need.

[Edward Wu]

Wrathion just got a new half-draconic form as one of his 3 portraits as a new hero in Hearthstone's Mercs.
Could be nothing, could be something juicy for a Dragon-focused expansion, like for instance his new combat form for cinematics/fights if he's a main character in 10.0.

[Revamp Man]

I really don't buy any grudge as a reason. They simply wanted to start the final faction war with a huge shock moment to get players riled up. And then they incorporated it into Jailers plan as they most likely planned all along.

If they planned the jailer part from the beginning then they wouldn’t have done the whole “she did it because she realized the alliance wouldn’t surrender”

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Wrathion just got a new half-draconic form as one of his 3 portraits as a new hero in Hearthstone's Mercs.
Could be nothing, could be something juicy for a Dragon-focused expansion, like for instance his new combat form for cinematics/fights if he's a main character in 10.0.

OR
a form for his dragonsworn