Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Sondrelk]

If they planned the jailer part from the beginning then they wouldn’t have done the whole “she did it because she realized the alliance wouldn’t surrender”

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Sylvanas is not supposed to be stupid. Why not have her just flat out state that she burned Teldrassil because it would guarantee the Alliance would send everything they have? Would have made all the sense once we got into Shadowlands.

[huth]

Ma'am, we have spaceships.

Last i looked, Stormwind does not. Although they do have Airships lately, which does confuse things a bit.

You said no medieval footmam should wear medieval armour ever, yet there is clear evidence many of them did.

Not to mention the fact the plate armour itself, was a very bad idea on its own ...

It was never effective, because of firearms which could pierce it or all kinds of armour piercing weapons, maces etc

Sure, and swords were several kilo heavy clubs. What old book did you read that nonsense in? It's quite well-known now that this isn't even remotely close to the truth. You'd likely have trouble getting through one with modern small arms that aren't loaded with AP munitions.

And i'm saying medieval footmen would have worn medieval armour like a chain shirt. Not renaissance armour like full plate.

Also, "pretty quickly"? It was in use for over 200 years.

[Revamp Man]

Sylvanas is not supposed to be stupid. Why not have her just flat out state that she burned Teldrassil because it would guarantee the Alliance would send everything they have? Would have made all the sense once we got into Shadowlands.

Exactly
BfA they tried the “she’s not evil” then in SL it’s “she’s been serv…uh working with the literal devil”

[huth]

Ah yes the "It was a spur of the moment decision" & "She had special mages standing by that would make the fire spread super fast, faster than the two minutes it would take to evacuate" kind of writing we can associate with this era

Let's be honest here, 2 minutes to evacuate an entire city is a pretty ridiculous proposal. You'd probably need a few hours.

[Makabreska]

If they planned the jailer part from the beginning then they wouldn’t have done the whole “she did it because she realized the alliance wouldn’t surrender”

So they should hint that something else is going on? Tease next expansion Big Bad at the literal start of current one?

[Shadochi]

Last i looked, Stormwind does not. Although they do have Airships lately, which does confuse things a bit.

Lately? They had them since at least WotLK (don't know if they were shown ingame earlier).
While not SW, the Alliance does have spaceships(Draenei and Army of Light). And one is under the command of the Step-in ruler of Stormwind while Anduin is being dominated by Zovaal. So while not stationed in Stormwind, yes they do have a spaceship.

[Revamp Man]

So they should hint that something else going on? Tease next expansion Big Bad at the literal start of current one?

Or they could have been “I did this because I wanted to”

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Lately? They had them since at least WotLK (don't know if they were shown ingame earlier).
While not SW, the Alliance does have spaceships(Draenei and Army of Light). And one is under the command of the Step-in ruler of Stormwing while Anduin is being dominated by Zovaal

Its probably going to stay floating above Azeroth until the Void is tired of us resisting(Or send another Old God /shrug)

[Shadochi]

Its probably going to stay floating above Azeroth until the Void is tired of us resisting(Or send another Old God /shrug)

Well kinda makes sense to keep the spaceship in space than on the ground. Probably cheaper to keep it in orbit than relaunch...

[huth]

Lately? They had them since at least WotLK (don't know if they were shown ingame earlier).
While not SW, the Alliance does have spaceships(Draenei and Army of Light). And one is under the command of the Step-in ruler of Stormwind while Anduin is being dominated by Zovaal. So while not stationed in Stormwind, yes they do have a spaceship.

Sure, but then you also have to consider Ironforge, Gnomeregan and so on, and the whole "medieval" idea just goes right out the window anyway. For that matter, the Airships are probably Dwarf/Gnome cooperation only crewed by Humans.

Stormwind by itself is closest to Renaissance. The rest is mostly more advanced, with the two Elf factions going a completely different path technologically, relying much more on magitech. Kul Tiras is obviously built off the Hanseatic League, though with some WoW-specific influences. (I'm fairly certain i didn't see any widespread octopus imagery last time i was in Hamburg...)

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Well kinda makes sense to keep the spaceship in space than on the ground. Probably cheaper to keep it in orbit than relaunch...

It doesn't look like it's meant to land, either.

[Makabreska]

Or they could have been “I did this because I wanted to”

Not really any better reason. And besides that, people already treated is as such when she got triggered by Delaryn in the cinematic and her order seemed to by made on a whim. Any other explanation flew under the radar.

[Dracullus]

That it was done to create a shocking moment is clear. There is afterall as I said no narrative payoff for the event happening, and probably never will be. The story would have worked just as well if the dead Sylvanas condemned to superhell were just the regular soldiers of the Alliance and Horde.
The best reason to have that event happen in regards to serving the story is that it makes Sylvanas come across like especially evil, which is the part that really drags the story down.

I read some more of the backstory to this speculation though, and it sounds like the grudge more specifically came across by making Sylvanas especially evil, which the story really didnt need.

Whole plot would work with one small change - Sylvanas went to Maw after suicide (even better if she was judged by Arbiter to go straight there) and got offer she's couldn't refuse from Jailer. So she either stay in super hell or be revived and help Jailer break everything (not just pretend to, because if she got destroyed she will be back in Maw). SoD would end with us beating Sylvanas and Jailer returning her missing part of soul cause he thinks she's useless at this point. Notice how I didn't change any events before or after 9.1.

Making Sylvanas first believing that Jailer could be positive change and changing mind 2 seconds after he won was most stupid thing that turned people on SL story. Not places/characters with weak connection to existing lore, not even Jailer being boring villain, but this stupid arrow shot after raid. What is even more funny, it's still last big lore event we experienced before another 8 months drought. Yeah, these four 9.2 cinamatics have almost impossible task to acomplish.

[Sondrelk]

Let's be honest here, 2 minutes to evacuate an entire city is a pretty ridiculous proposal. You'd probably need a few hours.

Given the size of Teldrassil in lore it would probably take a day or two at the very least. Even discounting how there were only something like 2 portals for one person at a time to go through at a time they were both in the middle of Darnassus, the time needed to even get the word out to the more outlying areas for them to start moving towards Darnassus would take hours at best, not to even get into how long it would take for them to walk there.

[Osmeric]

Conway's Law states that an organization creates software that will resemble the organization. So, it should be no surprise if WoW over time more closely resembles a shitstorm.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Given the size of Teldrassil in lore it would probably take a day or two at the very least. Even discounting how there were only something like 2 portals for one person at a time to go through at a time they were both in the middle of Darnassus, the time needed to even get the word out to the more outlying areas for them to start moving towards Darnassus would take hours at best, not to even get into how long it would take for them to walk there.

With out any portals sure but with them it can become pretty damn fast.

[Super Dickmann]

I'm eargerly waiting to experience Zereth Mortis, its zone, the main quest, side quests and the many little lore pieces that we will encounter throughout the zone before I can make a real comment on its value and what we can seriously expect.

For now, the aesthetic seems fine, no mind breaking visuals but maybe this isn't the right place for such. This place is supposed to be a test bed, an experiment center for crafting realities and mechanics behind life and death related to it. They bring personality programming, fate and other topics into this design, which is already quite a lot to take in for some players (and we see it first hand amongst the mmo-c community). Having some impressive visuals that make you loose some of your marks as well would maybe be too disturbing and players would not enjoy the experience.

I'll potentially revise my judgment when I'll have the chance to experience it on live (I don't want to spoil myself too much for now) but from what I've seen, the fauna sell it well enough for me without feeling like titan creations.

On the note of who might make an appearance in the future, i'm quite convinced that both Ysera and the Winter Queen will also show their faces once we get closer to Elune and her responsibilities.

As said I think the actual ideas regarding fate and the idea of a test bed of reality is both fairly interesting and not really all that far removed from previous elements like the Titan testing sites or the whole abysmal "Aspects were fated to stop Deathwing because he was made an Aspect" bit. I also have no real visual complaint regarding the zone as such, what I do think is that both visually and in terms of ideas, it's holding itself back like the writers are afraid of committing to it, which handicaps the material. People who would never like it are still stuck with it while those who might be into it don't get the full value.

Of the Eternal Ones I figure the Winter Queen is the likeliest to appear again after Denathrius due to Elune. I doubt we'll see much more of the Arbiter, Archon or Primus and we'll also not be seeing much of the Jailer given his reception as a baddie. I won't shed much tears on that last front.

@Sondrelk

There's something to be said about playing more with the skybox and especially with the lush area and the palette of the desert. A bit more artificiality and leaning into the fractal design in the way the cliffs are identical hexagonal shapes would've done a lot for the visuals and not have required much effort. The actual story commitment issue would require a lot more finagling but is really the culmination of their general indecision about what kind of baddie they want and how much they want to lean into their cosmic ideas. I have to wonder how much of a false positive is being sent in terms of SL reception in the same sense that BFA was seen as a failure of a character-driven narrative instead of the real reason that it was poorly constructed tripe SL might seriously have most of the flak be directed at its weird ideas instead of the failure of execution and the screentime occupied by nothing characters.

[Khaza-R]

A big big SUPPOSEDLY Afrisabi had some vendetta involving Sylvanas which involved Teldrassil(Cause I guess it was in response to Garrosh or something). Again very alleged from one of the voice actors(Alleria windrunner's voice actress for HS).

This is actually an old theory. And it was supposedly between Dave Kosak and Alex Afrasiabi. Supposedly Afrasiabi was mad because they turned Garrosh into a villain. So he got revenge by making Sylvanas (supposedly a pet character of Kosak's) into a villain.

Its pretty easily disproven though because there's interview of Alex saying he and Metzen were behind turning Garrosh into a villain and they envisioned that path from him very shortly after TBC.

So I am going to say this is just another version of that fake rumor.

[Raetary]

Wrathion just got a new half-draconic form as one of his 3 portraits as a new hero in Hearthstone's Mercs.
Could be nothing, could be something juicy for a Dragon-focused expansion, like for instance his new combat form for cinematics/fights if he's a main character in 10.0.

Considering he grew a whole wing, to me it looks like he's just mid transformation and not in a 'half draconic form'.

[Skildar]

Conway's Law states that an organization creates software that will resemble the organization. So, it should be no surprise if WoW over time more closely resembles a shitstorm.

This is taken way out of context.... It's the software architecture that will resemble the organization. Therefore, to our eyes nothing transpires from the software that we can attribute to bad communication and/or organization structure.

Any organization that designs a system (defined broadly) will produce a design whose structure is a copy of the organization's communication structure.

[Marlamin]

Wrathion just got a new half-draconic form as one of his 3 portraits as a new hero in Hearthstone's Mercs.
Could be nothing, could be something juicy for a Dragon-focused expansion, like for instance his new combat form for cinematics/fights if he's a main character in 10.0.

Other than the fact they picked Wrathion, Hearthstone has always had known characters in various shapes or forms, so not sure it's a direct sign of anything.

Also, I couldn't bare to look at that low-res pic so here's the full art for his 4 variants (differing sizes because Hearthstone).




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