Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Wadrak]

Which is a whopping 30 years before the end of the medieval. Also, they had been developed. They were not yet widespread, and certainly not remotely cheap.

You're pretty much just undermining yourself here.

You said no medieval footmam should wear medieval armour ever, yet there is clear evidence many of them did.

Not to mention the fact the plate armour itself, was a very bad idea on its own ...

It was never effective, because of firearms which could pierce it or all kinds of armour piercing weapons, maces etc ...

So eventually and pretty quickly was stop being used completely.

But in Warcraft you have new fantasy materials, like Mithril, Thorium, Saronite etc etc...

Which could make them much more effective then in real life.

[Sondrelk]

Well that just sounds too dumb.

The entire plotline with Teldrassil was dumb to begin with. It being caused by a grudge in the developer offices does actually make some sense all things considered.
It's not like the Teldrassil plotline was really ever given any kind of payoff. Unlike Undercity being blown up whose story is still ongoing the Teldrassil plot has just kinda fizzled out once it became clear the story wasnt going to be able to even remotely support it.

Either Teldrassil burned because of internal office politics, or because the writers just wanted a shocking moment and didnt put much more effort into it than that. And at least the first option makes the writers come across less incompetent seeing as the main flaws of BfA and SL can in many ways be traced back to that one event. If it was up to them then it's awful writing, but if it was because of pettiness by Afrasiabi then at least it's them getting stuck with an unworkable plot.

[Raetary]

He purposely made teldrassil happen because of some kinda grudge or something

Considering Blizzards work culture and shitty management, wouldn't surprise me if this was true.

[Ersula]

The entire plotline with Teldrassil was dumb to begin with. It being caused by a grudge in the developer offices does actually make some sense all things considered.

Ah yes the "It was a spur of the moment decision" & "She had special mages standing by that would make the fire spread super fast, faster than the two minutes it would take to evacuate" kind of writing we can associate with this era

[Makabreska]

The entire plotline with Teldrassil was dumb to begin with. It being caused by a grudge in the developer offices does actually make some sense all things considered.
It's not like the Teldrassil plotline was really ever given any kind of payoff. Unlike Undercity being blown up whose story is still ongoing the Teldrassil plot has just kinda fizzled out once it became clear the story wasnt going to be able to even remotely support it.

Either Teldrassil burned because of internal office politics, or because the writers just wanted a shocking moment and didnt put much more effort into it than that. And at least the first option makes the writers come across less incompetent seeing as the main flaws of BfA and SL can in many ways be traced back to that one event. If it was up to them then it's awful writing, but if it was because of pettiness by Afrasiabi then at least it's them getting stuck with an unworkable plot.

I really don't buy any grudge as a reason. They simply wanted to start the final faction war with a huge shock moment to get players riled up. And then they incorporated it into Jailers plan as they most likely planned all along.

[Sondrelk]

I really don't buy any grudge as a reason. They simply wanted to start the final faction war with a huge shock moment to get players riled up. And then they incorporated it into Jailers plan as they most likely planned all along.

That it was done to create a shocking moment is clear. There is afterall as I said no narrative payoff for the event happening, and probably never will be. The story would have worked just as well if the dead Sylvanas condemned to superhell were just the regular soldiers of the Alliance and Horde.
The best reason to have that event happen in regards to serving the story is that it makes Sylvanas come across like especially evil, which is the part that really drags the story down.

I read some more of the backstory to this speculation though, and it sounds like the grudge more specifically came across by making Sylvanas especially evil, which the story really didnt need.

[Edward Wu]

Wrathion just got a new half-draconic form as one of his 3 portraits as a new hero in Hearthstone's Mercs.
Could be nothing, could be something juicy for a Dragon-focused expansion, like for instance his new combat form for cinematics/fights if he's a main character in 10.0.

[Revamp Man]

I really don't buy any grudge as a reason. They simply wanted to start the final faction war with a huge shock moment to get players riled up. And then they incorporated it into Jailers plan as they most likely planned all along.

If they planned the jailer part from the beginning then they wouldn’t have done the whole “she did it because she realized the alliance wouldn’t surrender”

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Wrathion just got a new half-draconic form as one of his 3 portraits as a new hero in Hearthstone's Mercs.
Could be nothing, could be something juicy for a Dragon-focused expansion, like for instance his new combat form for cinematics/fights if he's a main character in 10.0.

OR
a form for his dragonsworn

[Sondrelk]

If they planned the jailer part from the beginning then they wouldn’t have done the whole “she did it because she realized the alliance wouldn’t surrender”

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a form for his dragonsworn

Sylvanas is not supposed to be stupid. Why not have her just flat out state that she burned Teldrassil because it would guarantee the Alliance would send everything they have? Would have made all the sense once we got into Shadowlands.

[huth]

Ma'am, we have spaceships.

Last i looked, Stormwind does not. Although they do have Airships lately, which does confuse things a bit.

You said no medieval footmam should wear medieval armour ever, yet there is clear evidence many of them did.

Not to mention the fact the plate armour itself, was a very bad idea on its own ...

It was never effective, because of firearms which could pierce it or all kinds of armour piercing weapons, maces etc

Sure, and swords were several kilo heavy clubs. What old book did you read that nonsense in? It's quite well-known now that this isn't even remotely close to the truth. You'd likely have trouble getting through one with modern small arms that aren't loaded with AP munitions.

And i'm saying medieval footmen would have worn medieval armour like a chain shirt. Not renaissance armour like full plate.

Also, "pretty quickly"? It was in use for over 200 years.

[Revamp Man]

Sylvanas is not supposed to be stupid. Why not have her just flat out state that she burned Teldrassil because it would guarantee the Alliance would send everything they have? Would have made all the sense once we got into Shadowlands.

Exactly
BfA they tried the “she’s not evil” then in SL it’s “she’s been serv…uh working with the literal devil”

[huth]

Ah yes the "It was a spur of the moment decision" & "She had special mages standing by that would make the fire spread super fast, faster than the two minutes it would take to evacuate" kind of writing we can associate with this era

Let's be honest here, 2 minutes to evacuate an entire city is a pretty ridiculous proposal. You'd probably need a few hours.

[Makabreska]

If they planned the jailer part from the beginning then they wouldn’t have done the whole “she did it because she realized the alliance wouldn’t surrender”

So they should hint that something else is going on? Tease next expansion Big Bad at the literal start of current one?

[Shadochi]

Last i looked, Stormwind does not. Although they do have Airships lately, which does confuse things a bit.

Lately? They had them since at least WotLK (don't know if they were shown ingame earlier).
While not SW, the Alliance does have spaceships(Draenei and Army of Light). And one is under the command of the Step-in ruler of Stormwind while Anduin is being dominated by Zovaal. So while not stationed in Stormwind, yes they do have a spaceship.

[Revamp Man]

So they should hint that something else going on? Tease next expansion Big Bad at the literal start of current one?

Or they could have been “I did this because I wanted to”

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Lately? They had them since at least WotLK (don't know if they were shown ingame earlier).
While not SW, the Alliance does have spaceships(Draenei and Army of Light). And one is under the command of the Step-in ruler of Stormwing while Anduin is being dominated by Zovaal

Its probably going to stay floating above Azeroth until the Void is tired of us resisting(Or send another Old God /shrug)

[Shadochi]

Its probably going to stay floating above Azeroth until the Void is tired of us resisting(Or send another Old God /shrug)

Well kinda makes sense to keep the spaceship in space than on the ground. Probably cheaper to keep it in orbit than relaunch...

[huth]

Lately? They had them since at least WotLK (don't know if they were shown ingame earlier).
While not SW, the Alliance does have spaceships(Draenei and Army of Light). And one is under the command of the Step-in ruler of Stormwind while Anduin is being dominated by Zovaal. So while not stationed in Stormwind, yes they do have a spaceship.

Sure, but then you also have to consider Ironforge, Gnomeregan and so on, and the whole "medieval" idea just goes right out the window anyway. For that matter, the Airships are probably Dwarf/Gnome cooperation only crewed by Humans.

Stormwind by itself is closest to Renaissance. The rest is mostly more advanced, with the two Elf factions going a completely different path technologically, relying much more on magitech. Kul Tiras is obviously built off the Hanseatic League, though with some WoW-specific influences. (I'm fairly certain i didn't see any widespread octopus imagery last time i was in Hamburg...)

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Well kinda makes sense to keep the spaceship in space than on the ground. Probably cheaper to keep it in orbit than relaunch...

It doesn't look like it's meant to land, either.

[Makabreska]

Or they could have been “I did this because I wanted to”

Not really any better reason. And besides that, people already treated is as such when she got triggered by Delaryn in the cinematic and her order seemed to by made on a whim. Any other explanation flew under the radar.

[Dracullus]

That it was done to create a shocking moment is clear. There is afterall as I said no narrative payoff for the event happening, and probably never will be. The story would have worked just as well if the dead Sylvanas condemned to superhell were just the regular soldiers of the Alliance and Horde.
The best reason to have that event happen in regards to serving the story is that it makes Sylvanas come across like especially evil, which is the part that really drags the story down.

I read some more of the backstory to this speculation though, and it sounds like the grudge more specifically came across by making Sylvanas especially evil, which the story really didnt need.

Whole plot would work with one small change - Sylvanas went to Maw after suicide (even better if she was judged by Arbiter to go straight there) and got offer she's couldn't refuse from Jailer. So she either stay in super hell or be revived and help Jailer break everything (not just pretend to, because if she got destroyed she will be back in Maw). SoD would end with us beating Sylvanas and Jailer returning her missing part of soul cause he thinks she's useless at this point. Notice how I didn't change any events before or after 9.1.

Making Sylvanas first believing that Jailer could be positive change and changing mind 2 seconds after he won was most stupid thing that turned people on SL story. Not places/characters with weak connection to existing lore, not even Jailer being boring villain, but this stupid arrow shot after raid. What is even more funny, it's still last big lore event we experienced before another 8 months drought. Yeah, these four 9.2 cinamatics have almost impossible task to acomplish.