Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Sondrelk]

They are both sharing the same expansion storage room with every other character that's charged with protecting the planet, but never actually shows up when the planet is in danger.

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Those shapes are very distinctly Naaru.
No other creature, thing, or place has that kinda design.

I don't really think the pieces are that obviously Naaru, not to completely discount the similarities, but they seem more like stylized metal pieces like what we have on Elf armor and weapons.-

As I said above, the leaker would have had to have chosen these specific shapes, and if it's a mistake then I don't think it's a stretch to imagine Blizzard could do the same.

And this is barring the obvious outcome that this could be Cata 2.0 with Dragons and Void both being heavy themes.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Yeah, that's part of the problem with the story escalation, and I don't just mean the threat levels we face.

In Warcraft III the world was at stake, but distance still meant something. Khadgar could definitely want to help in that sort of story, but be months away and the story resolved by the time he arrives, thus he isn't in the story. Nowadays the stakes are always high and the ability to be wherever at any time is basically available to anyone, so when they want to cycle the focus on characters, they just have to hope we won't ask too many questions.

Eh, Khadgar could definitely could of helped and quickly(Hes a mage he could of sensed what was happening and ported away but again its not painful that he doesn't). I do hope he comes around if Yrel makes a reappearance. Medivh is harder to pin on since most of him was related to the Legion. The only thing that might be related to him is Sargeras and he's kinda in stasis right now.

[huth]

I don't really think the pieces are that obviously Naaru, not to completely discount the similarities, but they seem more like stylized metal pieces like what we have on Elf armor and weapons.-

As I said above, the leaker would have had to have chosen these specific shapes, and if it's a mistake then I don't think it's a stretch to imagine Blizzard could do the same.

And this is barring the obvious outcome that this could be Cata 2.0 with Dragons and Void both being heavy themes.

Not really. There's errors in this that simply wouldn't make sense for somebody with access to the source materials.

[Sondrelk]

Not really. There's errors in this that simply wouldn't make sense for somebody with access to the source materials.

People said the same for the Shadowlands logo, and that one turned out correct.
It's not unthinkable that the logo is legitimate, and that the mistakes are either from honest mistakes from the designer, or because it's still nto completely polished.

If 10.0 is announced within the next 4-5 weeks then a logo leak is pretty fitting right about now. Especially when you consider that the press kits have likely been ready for ages now.

[Raetary]

Speaking of characters charged with protecting the planet but never appear, if they include the Lifelands/ED/whatever in the next expansion in whatever form, i really hope we actually get to interact with Freya for once.

She is the only titan keeper that has not even once appeared in the game since WotLK.

[Revamp Man]

Here's a side by side:




Considering how much the logo aesthetics clash with the expansion name, we could've done so from the get go.

A shame really, it is a very pretty logo.

Dude that’s similar but claiming they are naaru is a bit of a stretch

[hattahat]

Honestly I think void can be closely related to dragon isles. There are some hints about twilight dragons. In legion we saw Zeryxia, in BFA we saw Vexiona, and these twilight dragons are all minions of the void. They are the most recent evil dragonflight and can be connected to a real void expansion after dragon isles exp.

[Raetary]

Dude that’s similar but claiming they are naaru is a bit of a stretch

I guess we each can have our own opinions, but to me that stuff is very obviously Naaru design.

[Harbour]

Honestly I think void can be closely related to dragon isles. There are some hints about twilight dragons. In legion we saw Zeryxia, in BFA we saw Vexiona, and these twilight dragons are all minions of the void. They are the most recent evil dragonflight and can be connected to a real void expansion after dragon isles exp.

Tbh, Void forces taking Dragon Isles forcing Alliance to open Dark Portal and ask "old friend" Yrel to help them with invaders doesnt seem like an impossible scenario.
It would basically be Suramar - Dragon Isles/ Nightborne - Dragons/ Void - Legion, except for Yrel and Co will end up being the bigger enemy in 10.1 and forward.

[huth]

People said the same for the Shadowlands logo, and that one turned out correct.
It's not unthinkable that the logo is legitimate, and that the mistakes are either from honest mistakes from the designer, or because it's still nto completely polished.

If 10.0 is announced within the next 4-5 weeks then a logo leak is pretty fitting right about now. Especially when you consider that the press kits have likely been ready for ages now.

The rational approach here would be to assume it is fake until proven otherwise. We had far more fakes than real leaks.

Could it be real? Maybe, but highly unlikely, and if it is it's a very poor quality copy of the real thing, which doesn't make a whole lot of sense. There's also the problem that the logo has no discernible connection to the title, which we've never really had.

[Jokubas]

Secondly, and more importantly:
What kind of fake leaker would make a custom logo of this quality and then intentionally choose something that wouldn't fit?

That's a key thing for me. I'm reminded of the leak of the Shadowlands cinematic. Many people immediately dismissed it as fake because the helmet had the normal Lich King blue while Bolvar's helmet had fiery eyes. My brother had the opposite opinion. Why would someone skilled enough to fake a Blizzard cinematic make such an obvious mistake? The answer was, of course, it wasn't a mistake. It wasn't a fake. It was just a new transition effect for the sake of a cool visual that we were seeing a still image of.

Now, I still don't feel strongly about this logo. I will admit I don't want to make a big deal about saying something is real and end up being wrong, but I really have seen so many fake logos at this point that this one doesn't stand out to me. It could also be a coincidence, or maybe a faker picked up on the Bolvar thing from last time and wanted to exploit that logic now that it's so publicly been a thing. If this does turn out to be real, I guarantee you that future leak seasons are going to have fakers slipping in obvious mistakes to seem more plausible. For now, though, having a design theme that seemingly contradicts the name's theme is conspicuous.

The thing to keep in mind is, a Light+Void+Dragon expansion doesn't have to literally be an expansion with all three of those elements or locations. Whatever new lore is written for the expansion could create a more succinct version in a way that we completely take for granted after its announced.

[Archmage Xaxxas]

Not really. There's errors in this that simply wouldn't make sense for somebody with access to the source materials.

Not that I think the Empire of Dragons one is real, I don't: But it's always fun to look at BfA's official Logo and realize the one they put on the box art was a 'concept' piece (I have to imagine) for the later 3D rendered one that wasn't used anywhere except the Cinematic.

Let's take a look!
BFA Box Art Logo:


https://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/blog/...ular-items.png

You can examine the HD Box Art Logo here https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/wo...20171104032906
And it becomes very obvious once pointed out, that nearly every asset is a Photomanipulated object. Pretty neat!

If THAT leaked on the forums before BfA'S announcement, we probably have debunked it.

And the BFA Cinematic Logo, beautifully rendered. Never used on the Boxes strangely.


This is why it baffled me that people thought the Shadowlands logo that was real, when it leaked, was fake. It had more Blizz polish than BfA's official logo, which is very clearly a Photoshopped, cobbled together concept (A good job done of course.)

It's also why I think EoD here is fake, because it's lacking the polish of the SL logo for it being such the overhaul to the main frame as a painted piece, rather than a render or in BfA's case, a collage. But I'll eat my words if I'm mistaken this time.

[Khaza-R]

Most convincing thing to me about EoD is the name.

I would assume if you were going to go through all the trouble to make a fairly convincing fake, you would at least want to use a name that was a popular fan theory or sounded plausible. The other factor is the lack of any type of leaked details surrounding it. So I think its at least plausible it could of been a boardroom type draft that got leaked.

[Sondrelk]

The rational approach here would be to assume it is fake until proven otherwise. We had far more fakes than real leaks.

Could it be real? Maybe, but highly unlikely, and if it is it's a very poor quality copy of the real thing, which doesn't make a whole lot of sense. There's also the problem that the logo has no discernible connection to the title, which we've never really had.

Obviously the baseline assumption should be fake. But I always figured the point of leak season was to ahve fun discussing concepts until you found one idea that you really enjoyed.
Same as two years back before the Shadowlands release. I found a leak I really, really enjoyed and championed it.

Not to say that I am completely behind this one, but I think it's worht mentioning that there isnt really anything about it thats a dealbreaker compared to the Shadowlands leaked logo.

[Edward Wu]

Anyone have a quick link to the EoD leak then? If this is being taken semi-seriously then I'd like to see the actual leak please.

[Sondrelk]

Most convincing thing to me about EoD is the name.

I would assume if you were going to go through all the trouble to make a fairly convincing fake, you would at least want to use a name that was a popular fan theory or sounded plausible. The other factor is the lack of any type of leaked details surrounding it. So I think its at least plausible it could of been a boardroom type draft that got leaked.

The name is pretty good, yeah. It fits the "X of Y" pattern with many expansions, it's easy to understand what it's about, and it sounds snappy.
The empire part isnt exactly the most obvious thing, but the Mists part of MoP wasnt exactly crucial to the overall plot either, and the Lich King was many things, but not really filled with Wrath in WotLK.

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Anyone have a quick link to the EoD leak then? If this is being taken semi-seriously then I'd like to see the actual leak please.

I think it's just the logo.

[Jokubas]

Surprised this one wasn't posted yet. They say it's from some discord group.

This was the original post on the forum, not sure if anyone has a link.

[Edward Wu]

Ah okay I thought it was the one accompanied by a 4chan post.

[Jokubas]

Ah okay I thought it was the one accompanied by a 4chan post.

There might have been another 4chan thing, but that was a different logo:

This just caught my eye on 4chan, appears to be a slightly redisigned warcraft logo with the next expansion title. No features or details just a photo

[Syegfryed]

This reminds me of the time the bfa and shadowlands logo were leaked out, and there was a lot of photoshop masters claiming it was all fake, because clearly big mistakes, and end up turning true.

Same thing for Blue bolvar, people who i see here now and then saying it was an amateur or beginers work in photoshop, good times.

Anyway, i don't disqualify the logo yet, color scheme fits the twilight and infinite dragonflight, that are the possible villains we would get in a dragon expansion, and tie the end with the void/light thematic.

"Empire of Dragons" fits the rule of "one expansion have a standalone name the other is multiple" (Like Legion->battle for azeroth, Cataclysm->mists of Pandaria, Shadowlands -> ?)