Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Makabreska]

"Empire of Dragons" fits the rule of "one expansion have a standalone name the other is multiple" (Like Legion->battle for azeroth, Cataclysm->mists of Pandaria, Shadowlands -> ?)

The thing is, these type of rules are made up. People constantly search for patterns where may be none.

[Syegfryed]

The thing is, these type of rules are made up. People constantly search for patterns where may be none.

the patterns exist since the Lich king, sooooo

[Hitei]

This is why it baffled me that people thought the Shadowlands logo that was real, when it leaked, was fake. It had more Blizz polish than BfA's official logo, which is very clearly a Photoshopped, cobbled together concept (A good job done of course.)

It's also why I think EoD here is fake, because it's lacking the polish of the SL logo for it being such the overhaul to the main frame as a painted piece, rather than a render or in BfA's case, a collage. But I'll eat my words if I'm mistaken this time.

The Shadowlands leaked logo was clearly handpainted (edit: I mean digitally hand-crafted, not painted in traditional media) rather quickly instead of rendered (in the painting sense, not 3D rendered) it also had bits that were highly incomplete (the top was almost completely blank) and lots of little problems (the stroke around the maintext was sloppily painted in). So the whole thing read as just being not official, particularly when it fairly close to announcement.

It was just very basic and unpolished compared to all the previous logos we could use as a control.

[Makabreska]

the patterns exist since the Lich king, sooooo

Mists of Pandaria -> Warlords of Draenor, sooooooooo nope.

[Hitei]

the patterns exist since the Lich king, sooooo

?????

WotLK (multi) > Cataclysm (single) > MoP (Multi) > WoD (Multi) > Legion (single) > BfA (multi) > Shadowlands
What pattern? Also that is insane reasoning. Like 9 out of every 10 fake leaks have multiple words in the title. Any fake leak has a 50/50 chance of getting this supposed aspect correct.

[Shadochi]

the patterns exist since the Lich king, sooooo

but the lich king didn't come after a one word expansion. So it started with Cata and MoP
But even then it's not really a rule since we went from multiple words to multiple words in MoP -> WoD, what is saying then that part of the greater pattern isn't that now another single word comes out?

[Jokubas]

The thing about a dragon expansion is that it can basically be anything. Out of all precedents for retcons and new expansions inventing new ideas or shaking up past lore, the dragons have been doing it longer and more consistently than almost anything else.

Even in Classic we had Nefarian creating the Chromatic dragonflight, and experimental or mutated flights would be introduced almost once an expansion since then. On top of those, Wrath of the Lich King introduced the proto-dragons as their original forms. Legion introduced Storm Dragons. Shadowlands gave us feathered Veilwing Dragons.

While the easy guess for the Dragon Isles is something like a zone for each of the original flights and fleshing out the dragons we know, the sky's the limit. Awhile back someone speculated on the possibility that Elune may not just have a fondness for Ysera specifically, but be the origin of the dragons as a whole. I feel like some sort of newly revealed history of the dragons like that is basically guaranteed in any dragon-themed expansion.

Something like "Empire of Dragons" could reveal that Galakrond was one of many colossal proto-proto-dragons before he came to Azeroth and sired dragonkind as we know it. This Empire could exist to this day on the Dragon Isles, or the other side of Azeroth, or some mythical place on the border between the cosmic realms of Light and Void. If Elune really does have something to do with the dragons, her established creation of the Prime Naaru could easily connect the dragons to the Light, and even Void.

[huth]

Obviously the baseline assumption should be fake. But I always figured the point of leak season was to ahve fun discussing concepts until you found one idea that you really enjoyed.
Same as two years back before the Shadowlands release. I found a leak I really, really enjoyed and championed it.

Not to say that I am completely behind this one, but I think it's worht mentioning that there isnt really anything about it thats a dealbreaker compared to the Shadowlands leaked logo.

You still shouldn't keep insisting that it could be real because people will misread that as a confirmation that it is.

And for me, that the title is completely unrelated to the design is a fairly sizeable dealbreaker.

[Syegfryed]

?????

WotLK (multi) > Cataclysm (single) > MoP (Multi) > WoD (Multi) > Legion (single) > BfA (multi) > Shadowlands
What pattern? Also that is insane reasoning

Mists of Pandaria -> Warlords of Draenor, sooooooooo nope.

hey, i didn't say it was perfect.

Like 9 out of every 10 fake leaks have multiple words in the title. Any fake leak has a 50/50 chance of getting this supposed aspect correct.

And, it could be a real leak, im just not scrapping any possibilities.

[Makabreska]

And, it could be a real leak, im just not scrapping any possibilities.

Sure, but I guess it needs some more "patterns".

[Makorus]

Lol, I just realized that it would have the same initials as the GW2 expansion.

Yeah no I doubt that.

[Syegfryed]

Lol, I just realized that it would have the same initials as the GW2 expansion.

Yeah no I doubt that.

didn't people also said the expansion would not be named shadowlands because final fantasy last patch or something.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

Sure, but I guess it needs some more "patterns".

Are you implying that human being are inherently prone to bias themselves in favor of finding patterns and order? I thought Blizzard just released expansions according to very specific patterns! You're implying that it's nonsensical to try to find patterns in how this company operates based on extremely circumstantial evidence that could easily be chalked up to coincidence?

[huth]

Are you implying that human being are inherently prone to bias themselves in favor of finding patterns and order? I thought Blizzard just released expansions according to very specific patterns! You're implying that it's nonsensical to try to find patterns in how this company operates based on extremely circumstantial evidence that could easily be chalked up to coincidence?

No, of course not. We know that because of secret insider information, not because of logical and rational reasoning.

[Makabreska]

Are you implying that human being are inherently prone to bias themselves in favor of finding patterns and order? I thought Blizzard just released expansions according to very specific patterns! You're implying that it's nonsensical to try to find patterns in how this company operates based on extremely circumstantial evidence that could easily be chalked up to coincidence?

k

/10 found patterns

[Makorus]

didn't people also said the expansion would not be named shadowlands because final fantasy last patch or something.

I mean, Shadowbringer and Shadowlands, while similiar, are do not have the same initials.

There being two EoDs coming out would be kinda confusing lmao.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

No, of course not. We know that because of secret insider information, not because of logical and rational reasoning.

I'll only believe you if it was written on a napkin somewhere.

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k

/10 found patterns

Hrm ... a K. That's one long line and two short lines. Clearly, we are being told something.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

I mean, Shadowbringer and Shadowlands, while similiar, are do not have the same initials.

There being two EoDs coming out would be kinda confusing lmao.

It didn't sound right to me either.

[huth]

I'll only believe you if it was written on a napkin somewhere.

Nothing so obvious, of course. It was written across a whole bunch of different coasters that i had to arrange in precisely the right way so the topmost letter of each spelled out the message. Some people claimed i was just fudging things to say what i wanted them to, but i bet they're with THEM.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

It didn't sound right to me either.

I also don't think "Empire of Dragons" really sounds like a very good name. Every other expansion name save "Legion" and "Cataclysm" unquestionably linked to something in the lore, and even the former of those two was very relevant in the context of WoW. I don't see a name like "Empire of Dragons" being used since it strikes me as so generic.