Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Hellspawn]

That's why I think they won't make Teldrassil or the Undercity come back. If any new Kaldorei capital is created, I believe it should be at the summit of Mount Hyjal, below the roots of Nordrassil. Same logic applies to the Undercity, if the Forsaken return to the city, they should rebuild upon the ruins of Lordaeron, rather than below as previously. This also fits both narratives of Night Elves claiming back their place on Kalimdor and Azeroth, and the Forsaken stepping out of the shadows.

That seems most likely to me as well and it would be a good solution imho.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

I don't see Teldrassil healing, the fact we see Nelves around Nordrassil is enough to persuade me.

[keygy]

hi guys, there are some type of info if blizzard have registered certains domains? i remember in the past years dont remember if was legion, that days before the announce they registered some domains for the web, there are some way of see when blizzard do this?

[Nyel]

hi guys, there are some type of info if blizzard have registered certains domains? i remember in the past years dont remember if was legion, that days before the announce they registered some domains for the web, there are some way of see when blizzard do this?

I did not hear anything about new registered domains. It's true that domains back in the day "spoilered" future expansions, but the last time this happened was... I don't remember, it's quite some time. Domains did not spoiler BfA or Shadowlands.

[Makorus]

After they tried to picture the Jailer as that and failed miserably, I don't trust them anymore.

Remember when the Jailer was framed to be the UBER SUPER DUPER VILLAIN?

I mean, he never was, but okay.

The Jailer was never meant to be the ultimate baddie of WoW either.

Just making up stuff to shit on Shadowlands is my favourite thing ever lmao.

[Nyel]

I mean, he never was, but okay.

The Jailer was never meant to be the ultimate baddie of WoW either.

Just making up stuff to shit on Shadowlands is my favourite thing ever lmao.

Exactly, he never was. But Blizzard tried to frame him as that. You don't have to make stuff up to shit on Shadowlands at all, so there's really no need for me to do that.

This comment pretty much sums up everything you need to know about the Jailer and his place in the Warcraft universe vs. how he turned out to be: https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comment...the_jailer_is/ - it's a good read.

[Makabreska]

Exactly, he never was. But Blizzard tried to frame him as that. You don't have to make stuff up to shit on Shadowlands at all, so there's really no need for me to do that.

They tried to frame his as an ultimate villain and end boss of WoW? When?

[huth]

I did not hear anything about new registered domains. It's true that domains back in the day "spoilered" future expansions, but the last time this happened was... I don't remember, it's quite some time. Domains did not spoiler BfA or Shadowlands.

They've gotten a lot better at hiding this kind of thing.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

They tried to frame his as an ultimate villain and end boss of WoW? When?

I assume he is referencing the whole how his actions created the threads from WCIII and sorta infiltrated the Burning Legion with his dread lords and such). Stuff like that. Thats my assumption anyways.

[Nyel]

They tried to frame his as an ultimate villain and end boss of WoW? When?

Read all the stuff that he's framed to have done / planned all along (I just linked the comment in the post above) and you see what he was supposed to be.

But let me just copy it because it's such a fun read:

First things first, since everything to have happened in warcraft is essentially confirmed to be the jailer let's see how galaxy brain this man had to be for this to go down.

Now that it's been basically confirmed that the arbiter going bye bye was argus no scoping her, what had to happen for that to occur?

Picture this, you are the jailer (terrible I know but bear with me) and you have been imprisoned by your college improv team. You have to convince one of the people that BANISHED YOU TO SUPER HELL to now be your friend. You know how prisoners casually convince the warden to start working for them, something like that.

Next you have to convince that warden to create the best spy industry ever to be created. Simple plan badabing badaboom done. Now use that spy system to convince beings of pure chaos and void to start spewing on to random planets. Then use them to corrupt a being of pure justice. All easy stuff.

This is where the jailers genius shines through. Have your army now working for the corrupted titan be strong enough to level entire galaxies except for this one random planet that has all the stuff for some reason. Now make this titan who doesn't know he's working for you just out of arms reach of his goal for millennium.

The fun part begins. Use the spy's to convince one of the titan guys allies to create a zombie guy with the express purpose of having a hat and killing/resurrecting one random elf that will become important later.

Make sure the humans win so the bad guys come back later then have hat guy die so elf lady predicability tries to re-unalive herself so she can see big bald man. Make a deal she can't refuse The Apprentice style and start controlling things in the background even more again.

Now this here is my favorite part. Make sure the Orc that has had few genocidal tendencies goes full sicko mode and must eventually stand trial in Pandaria. This is when you obviously travel time to another dimension so that a random other orc can come back to the main dimension and summon the titan you had on the back burner. Your super-mega-power-death-plan hinges on interdimensional time travel.

With this once dead orc back in the main timeline have the titan guy come to the planet he's just been chilling ignoring for some reason and have his army be good enough at killing but not too good to win. Now expect these random people on the planet to do a set of weird choices that has them teleport the main base of the badguy into their solar system. Since the base is right there they can fight the literal Titan of death and you now must hope they win.

Because they have obviously won the death titan breaks this random robot lady and the real game begins. All that other stuff was child's play. Make the elf lady sleeper agent all evil now and inevitably break that hat that you left on the planet for this EXACT moment.

Congratulations now you can pull a blonde boy into the DEATH ZONE and use him to get a shiney circle from one person and that's it, the mortals will give you the rest of them don't worry.

You've done it. You have all the Lego pieces you need to find where you left your super suit and remake/unmake/undo/redo/bless-you/gesundheit reality.

Was quite an easy plan when you think about it, took about a half hour to write---- plan I mean plan this was the plan from the beginning, duh.

https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comment...the_jailer_is/

[Makabreska]

Read all the stuff that he's framed to have done / planned all along (I just linked the comment in the post above) and you see what he was supposed to be.

I mean, sure. But the guy said that he thinks Void Lords will be the final bosses of WoW (as in, the final expansion), and then you came out with Jailer. He was never presented as that, just the guy behind the events.

[Wadrak]

Since in 9.2 they are adding second legendary, and it will take month to unlock.

You gonna need this legendary to defeat Jailer on heroic, mythic.

But still its weird second legendary would be only for one content patch.

Don't you think there is still chance for 9.3 because of second legendary ? So it would be used in multiple patches.

[Nokster10]

I mean, sure. But the guy said that he thinks Void Lords will be the final bosses of WoW (as in, the final expansion), and then you came out with Jailer. He was never presented as that, just the guy behind the events.

Read the bold part again.

[Makabreska]

Read the bold part again.

Nah thanks, got good enough memory to know what I typed 3 min ago.

[Nyel]

I mean, sure. But the guy said that he thinks Void Lords will be the final bosses of WoW (as in, the final expansion), and then you came out with Jailer. He was never presented as that, just the guy behind the events.

Uhm. So the guy who planned ALL OF THE ABOVE (basically 99% of the Warcraft story when we can take Blizzard for real) is not supposed to be a super endgame style villain? Okay.

[Makabreska]

Uhm. So the guy who planned ALL OF THE ABOVE is not supposed to be a super endgame style villain? Okay.

Yes, okay. Unless this is final expansion and WoW ends with 8.2.

[Makorus]

Exactly, he never was. But Blizzard tried to frame him as that. You don't have to make stuff up to shit on Shadowlands at all, so there's really no need for me to do that.

This comment pretty much sums up everything you need to know about the Jailer and his place in the Warcraft universe vs. how he turned out to be: https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comment...the_jailer_is/ - it's a good read.

They never framed him as that lmao? You are literally pretending Blizzard said something just to be upset about that.

Void Lords have been the ultimate baddies for a long while now. Blizzard never acted the Jailer was anything but an expansion villain.

Just because he is behind events doesn't mean he is the main villain of WoW. Blizzard certainly never stated that.

[Nyel]

Yes, okay. Unless this is final expansion and WoW ends with 8.2.

You just don't know what you're talking about. Sargeras was framed as the endboss for a very, very long time (until they brought up the Void Lords). The Jailer is said to be behind Sargeras. And in your world this doesn't make him someone - at least when it comes to the horrendous lore in Shadowlands - above Sargeras aka endboss levels?

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They never framed him as that lmao? You are literally pretending Blizzard said something just to be upset about that.

Have you read the comment? Do you know what events the Jailer is said to be responsible for? Sargeras? Lich King? Stabbing of Azeroth? And a lot more. And that doesn't make him exactly that?

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Since in 9.2 they are adding second legendary, and it will take month to unlock.

You gonna need this legendary to defeat Jailer on heroic, mythic.

But still its weird second legendary would be only for one content patch.

Don't you think there is still chance for 9.3 because of second legendary ? So it would be used in multiple patches.

It is but they've already said this is where the SL story runs its course and ends. Its not necessarily what I want but this is how things have played out.

[Vakir]

To say that the guy posited to be the man behind the man (behind the man behind the man) on this scale and set up as the final foe faced for this "book" of Warcraft leading back to W3 is not set up as a supreme Big Bad is completely dishonest.

The Jailer hijacks almost multiple decades of lore. Whether you want to talk about whether it is done so effectively or not, or whether he's compelling or not, it's an immutable fact that he's put on a very high villain pedestal.