Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Catastrophy349]

The fact that both Korthia AND Zereth Mortis have portals that you just walk into and you’re there. I’m sure they could have changed that for the 4 earlier zones in a .5 or .1/.2 patch

[Shadochi]

The fact that both Korthia AND Zereth Mortis have portals that you just walk into and you’re there. I’m sure they could have changed that for the 4 earlier zones in a .5 or .1/.2 patch

Thing is Zereth and Korthia(Maw) are made like that because lore wise they are in places of the Shadowlands that cannot be accessed in any other way but through the ancient wayshrines being activated to open a portal to Oribos. This is a big part of the intro lore for the Maw, Korthia and Zereth.

Why don't other zones have portals? Well denizens of the other lands of SL shouldn't be able to freely move between the afterlives once they are condemned to one.

Also I don't mind there being not a portal to every zone. WoW could do with less portals and not have every POI a portal away (like in Legion dalaran). Would be great if even the Zereth and Korthia portals weren't there but to get to Korthia we need to go through the maw, and to get to Zereth the flightmaster flies through the initial portal we open there (tho here it still makes sense that we have a portal down there since the original one got closed)

[huth]

But you're assuming it isn't a Void/Dragon expansion.

No, i'm not. Because i'm not talking about that. If the title was "Empire of the Void Dragons" or something else void related, you'd have a point, but it isn't, so you don't.

[Revamp Man]

Because we didn't know anything about the Shadowlands at all. It would have been kinda hard to do something we could have connected with no prior knowledge. There is still a clear connection between the logo and the title.

On the other hand, we do know dragons. The logo has no dragon connections whatsoever. If it was about a void expansion it would make sense. For dragons? It doesn't.

The crack is a throwback to Cata
The metal parts on the top sides are dragon horns
The metal part on the bottom is the end of a dragon flame breath

The purple background can be multiple things from void to symbolize “hey dragons have been pledging themselves to the void for a while maybe that flight gained power” or you can think about how you would get dark purple
Red+Blue+Black
Also the twilight flight
Multiple explanations exist but because the border doesn’t have anything dragony in it that means that it is immediately fake

Heck dude I’m this thread we have had people say it was fake because the globe was a copy of the Cata logo globe, it was fake because it used naaru symbols even though the symbols they showed were twice the size in terms of design and in the case of the lower symbol would require them to cut off a third of it and any pointy ends

[Hitei]

The metal parts on the top sides are dragon horns
The metal part on the bottom is the end of a dragon flame breath

Reaching very hard. I also find it weird you can somehow rationalize a metallic pointy bit as "part of a breath of flame" but somehow can't rationalize it being "part of a naaru".

[Revamp Man]

What part of this logo screams deathwing or elementals or old gods?




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Reaching very hard. I also find it weird you can somehow rationalize a metallic pointy bit as "part of a breath of flame" but somehow can't rationalize it being "part of a naaru".

Because saying “it’s a naaru symbol” in this case is like saying a dagger is a short sword

Tbf you could also turn it around and say that it is also dragon horns

It’s no more of a reach than the naaru symbol and doesn’t require removing half of the reference to fit

[Raetary]

The crack is a throwback to Cata
The metal parts on the top sides are dragon horns
The metal part on the bottom is the end of a dragon flame breath

Wow.
And you claimed that I was reaching with my Naaru assessment.

[Amstrup]

What part of this logo screams deathwing or elementals or old gods?




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Because saying “it’s a naaru symbol” in this case is like saying a dagger is a short sword

it screams cataclysmic event, destruction and fire,

Which is what the expansion was about.

[Shadochi]

Because saying “it’s a naaru symbol” in this case is like saying a dagger is a short sword

Tbf you could also turn it around and say that it is also dragon horns

It’s no more of a reach than the naaru symbol and doesn’t require removing half of the reference to fit

cba to look for it now, but it isn't just a "Naaru symbol" like the border shapes are actually made out of some Naaru pieces (from this image I believe https://ih1.redbubble.net/image.9266...000,f8f8f8.jpg ) will see if I can find the proper comparison someone did.

Not even just based on them, just the parts rotated and rescaled, given a texture for depth.

[Hitei]

What part of this logo screams deathwing or elementals or old gods?

You are undercutting your own argument here, my guy. The Cataclysm logo doesn't scream Deathwing, Elementals, or Old Gods, precisely because the point of the logo isn't to tell a story, but to reinforce the directly visible theme, in this case, The Cataclysm, so it is fiery and rupturing. If you substitute Elementals, Deathwing or Old Gods for "the Void" you now see why it's weird to have void elements on the EoD logo. Because that isn't the directly visible theme, Dragons are.

Also

Because saying “it’s a naaru symbol” in this case is like saying a dagger is a short sword

Tbf you could also turn it around and say that it is also dragon horns

It’s no more of a reach than the naaru symbol and doesn’t require removing half of the reference to fit

This whole thing should be a red flag. The (actual) logos are quite clear thematically. The fact that the thread is having a "are these pointy metal bits supposed to be a representation of dragon horns? are they supposed to be parts of a naaru? Are they supposed to be a blood elf helm?" debate is itself a problem. It means that the visual representation is totally unclear and the viewer is having to just guess and what its even supposed to be based on vague shapes.

[Revamp Man]

cba to look for it now, but it isn't just a "Naaru symbol" like the border shapes are actually made out of some Naaru pieces (from this image I believe https://ih1.redbubble.net/image.9266...000,f8f8f8.jpg ) will see if I can find the proper comparison someone did.

Not even just based on them, just the parts rotated and rescaled, given a texture for depth.

The bottom one is supposed to be the bottom side pieces

Yet those side pieces only have two of the three notches and the edges don’t match either

[Hitei]

The bottom one is supposed to be the bottom side pieces

Yet those side pieces only have two of the three notches and the edges don’t match either

There's not much of a reason for them to match. Naaru are not identical so having fewer or more notches in some of their floating pieces doesn't really change anything.

[Revamp Man]

You are undercutting your own argument here, my guy. The Cataclysm logo doesn't scream Deathwing, Elementals, or Old Gods, precisely because the point of the logo isn't to tell a story, but to reinforce the directly visible theme, in this case, The Cataclysm, so it is fiery and rupturing. If you substitute Elementals, Deathwing or Old Gods for "the Void" you now see why it's weird to have void elements on the EoD logo.

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This whole thing should be a red flag. The logos are quite clear thematically. The fact that the thread is having a "are these pointy metal bits supposed to be a representation of dragon horns? are they supposed to be parts of a naaru? Are they supposed to be a blood elf helm?" debate is itself a problem. It means that the visual representation is totally unclear and the viewer is having to just guess and what its even supposed to be based on vague shapes.

Empire of Dragons

The biggest empire in terms of WoW is the black empire
Void dragons are a thing thus tying the two together

Again I point back to the SL logo “we didn’t know anything about it” technically we did as the shadowlands was supposed to be the place we walk through when we run back to our bodies.

I’m not saying this is definitely real but because I’m biased in favor of dragons and the fact we had people saying the SL logo and even the Bolvar still were fake…screw it all eggs one basket

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There's not much of a reason for them to match. Naaru are not identical so having fewer or more notches in some of their floating pieces doesn't really change anything.

If you say that they are using naaru pieces and show the pieces that you say prove it and then you say “well they don’t have to match” I think you’re argument is the same as my dragon horns argument

[Makorus]

Empire of Dragons is fake because the expansion title sounds like absolute ass, and because the GW2 expansion is gonna steal all the publicity from it because it's almost the same name.

How can you look at the name "Empire of Dragons" and think that title is something Blizzard would come up with?

[Sondrelk]

You are undercutting your own argument here, my guy. The Cataclysm logo doesn't scream Deathwing, Elementals, or Old Gods, precisely because the point of the logo isn't to tell a story, but to reinforce the directly visible theme, in this case, The Cataclysm, so it is fiery and rupturing. If you substitute Elementals, Deathwing or Old Gods for "the Void" you now see why it's weird to have void elements on the EoD logo. Because that isn't the directly visible theme, Dragons are.

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This whole thing should be a red flag. The (actual) logos are quite clear thematically. The fact that the thread is having a "are these pointy metal bits supposed to be a representation of dragon horns? are they supposed to be parts of a naaru? Are they supposed to be a blood elf helm?" debate is itself a problem. It means that the visual representation is totally unclear and the viewer is having to just guess and what its even supposed to be based on vague shapes.

But this argument is in itself avoiding the fact that if we knew this logo was real and that it would predominantly be about dragons then this debate wouldnt really happen, or if it was it would be in the context of why Blizzard would have made such a deliberate choice.

If the expansion was Naaru/Void themed then everyone would say it's clearly Naaru bits because of the shape, and if it isnt then I could absolutely see arguments that it's clearly not Naaru bits seeing as we have never seen anything metal related to Naaru, especially not in this generic metal coloration.

And again, this entire debate is entirely missing the point that either the one that made it didnt realize it was a mistake, in which case Blizzard could as well. Or he did it deliberately, which is also something Blizzard could have done.

[Revamp Man]

I know I’m coming off like tinker boy but come on we’ve made connections with less

Remember the map on an armor model that everyone said “we are going to kultiras”

Or the fact we had people guess 8.3 before 8.2 was even out based on nothing more than the 8.2 trailer.

There were posters who swore up and down awakenings was real because the logo was so intricate

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Empire of Dragons is fake because the expansion title sounds like absolute ass, and because the GW2 expansion is gonna steal all the publicity from it because it's almost the same name.

How can you look at the name "Empire of Dragons" and think that title is something Blizzard would come up with?

Because they have used the title Battle for Azeroth. I expect very little creativity from blizz outside of the art team

[CopyX1982]

It already got out of hand, he's the source of all problems these days.

Used to be Ghostcrawler, remember him?

[Makorus]

I know I’m coming off like tinker boy but come on we’ve made connections with less

Remember the map on an armor model that everyone said “we are going to kultiras”

Or the fact we had people guess 8.3 before 8.2 was even out based on nothing more than the 8.2 trailer.

There were posters who swore up and down awakenings was real because the logo was so intricate

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Because they have used the title Battle for Azeroth. I expect very little creativity from blizz outside of the art team

Battle for Azeroth is actually a great name simply because it refers to both the faction war subplot (The two factions fighting over who gets to "conquer" Azeroth) and the Azeroth-Planet subplot (We are literally fighting a battle to save Azeroth).

[Makabreska]

Used to be Ghostcrawler, remember him?

#neverforget

[Polybius]

Used to be Ghostcrawler, remember him?

Was he really? I remember him getting praise. Ion hasn't communicated much with the playerbase or kept his promise (it's more of a company promise than his own). People are less receptive to silence when the product is suffering.

This time it's Ion, Danuser and the Systems Designer.