Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Revamp Man]

Hasn't been communicating lately, but tbh that isn't part of his job description. Would you rather have him spend all his working hours on twitter, forums and fansites?

He’s actually done a ton of interviews with people you wouldn’t expect like Preach

The guy might dodge answers but when there’s something that needs announced he’s there and after a little prodding he actually gives an answer

The systems lead is just a cunt that has an attitude of “don’t question us we know what we are talking about” and the team as a whole has a stubbornness and egotistical attitude that can be seen in the post about how they agree the covenants shouldn’t be locked and should be swappable but without the lock then we wouldn’t have experienced shadowlands as much.

[Shadochi]

He’s actually done a ton of interviews with people you wouldn’t expect like Preach

The guy might dodge answers but when there’s something that needs announced he’s there and after a little prodding he actually gives an answer

The systems lead is just a cunt that has an attitude of “don’t question us we know what we are talking about” and the team as a whole has a stubbornness and egotistical attitude that can be seen in the post about how they agree the covenants shouldn’t be locked and should be swappable but without the lock then we wouldn’t have experienced shadowlands as much.

I think about communicating people mean on social media/forums and the Q&A stuff that was often during Legion. As far as interviews go he has been keeping up his activity but most people tend to not forget who the interview was with and look at just the info

[Revamp Man]

“Empire of dragons” sounds like the want to take over rather than the Void

It’s all up to interpretation which I love about the title and the dragons because if it’s dragon isles we don’t know if it’s a literal empire of dragons there

We don’t know if it’s the black empire and they are using dragons as their pawns

[BaumanKing]

Used to be Ghostcrawler, remember him?

Is he one of sexual predators from the 'Cosby Suite'?

[Jokubas]

The whole thing reads as being built out of bits of armor and weapons. It's not just some swoopy filigree, it's specifically metallic, bronze and steel looking filigree. It's spikey points, armor studs, the ridges you get on shoulder pads, spear tips, bits that look like orcish cleavers.

Yeah, I mean, it fulfills a theme, but it's not as straightforward as every other expansion.

BC had fel green for the Legion's Crusade.
Wrath was blue and iced over, for Northrend.
Cataclysm was, as recently covered, fiery and cataclysmic.
Mists of Pandaria was jade green and text on an ancient scroll for the China-inspired theme.
Warlords of Draenor was Horde colors and big, heavy reinforcements for the Iron Horde.
Legion was backlit fel green for the Legion again.

Shadowlands is kinda weird because it's sort of backlit white, which doesn't really match any obvious design motif I can think of from the expansion, but I guess it's at least sort of ghostly. However, as you mentioned earlier, the border is super elaborate and blatantly has the Maw spires and skulls, so it's straightforward in a different way than the past, but it's still ultimately blatant.

Battle for Azeroth's color scheme isn't Azeroth's colors, it isn't the color of Azerite, it isn't Kul Tiras green or Zandalar gold, it isn't the colors of the Horde and Alliance, it's not a naga color scheme, and it's certainly not a Ny'alotha theme. I guess it could be argued to sort of be an Alliance theme on its own (though usually the Alliance's colors are much brighter), but that's still very tangential compared to the other expansions. The border might still have a theme, but unlike Shadowlands it's significantly more subtle. The default border is already a metallic gold/bronze with spikes and sharp bits. Battle for Azeroth is more a slight upgrade than a "oh, those colors and motifs are unmistakably the X expansion" like Shadowlands or even Warlords of Draenor.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Used to be Ghostcrawler, remember him?

I'm referring to what caused the lawsuit scandal and now why the banshee did a change and well responsible for Teldrassil burning. But really the focus on Danuser and Ion really. People care more about the raging that is true.

Is he one of sexual predators from the 'Cosby Suite'?

A maybe due to he sorta tried to act like he's ashamed and such and such.

[Revamp Man]

I think about communicating people mean on social media/forums and the Q&A stuff that was often during Legion. As far as interviews go he has been keeping up his activity but most people tend to not forget who the interview was with and look at just the info

Watercoolers and all that
Then we got the line “we will do better at communicating” every test cycle

Idk I’m ok with how Ion is doing right now where he gives the announcement and doesn’t really do much else because as we have seen recently devs on social media and blues in the forums say very controversial things and get caught treating players badly….though Ion also stopped playing WoW according to his armory. It could also be that he’s going to be booted soon.

[Khaza-R]

Playerbase always needs a boogie man to blame for everything. It can never be that a team of people make the decisions collaboratively. That would be crazy talk.

I mean, that comes with the territory when you sign up for a leadership position. You're ultimately responsible for your teams and what they produce.

This is very different then when people bash Golden because they think she's to blame for the story's direction, even though she has no control over it. These guys are actually in charge of the game's direction.

[Revamp Man]

The whole thing reads as being built out of bits of armor and weapons. It's not just some swoopy filigree, it's specifically metallic, bronze and steel looking filigree. It's spikey points, armor studs, the ridges you get on shoulder pads, spear tips, bits that look like orcish cleavers.

I mean I guess I can see the shoulder pad stuff
The logo is also sitting on what appears to be an ocean
And unless I’m having a stroke there’s a teeny tiny bit of purple in the top left corner near the W in Warcraft that isn’t on the other side

[Hitei]

Empire of Dragons is actually a great name because it refers to both the Dragon subplot (the greater dragon aspect revitalizing story) and being a clever nod to the Black Empire (notice how the logo is predominantly black) harkening back to Cata and how Deathwing was a tool of the Old Gods.

I would argue that the much bigger problem with the title is that it is generic. I do not mean generic as in, "it's plain and I don't like it" I mean that it is quite literally a generic descriptor instead of a specific one. Every expansion name has a specific proper noun associated with it. Not just "A Crusade of Fire" or "A burning crusade" a specifically named military campaign named the Burning Crusade; wrath of the tyrant named the Lich King; the specific event named the Cataclysm; mists of the continent named Pandaria; warlords of the planet namedDraenor; the interdimensional invading armor named the (Burning) Legion; battle for the planet named Azeroth; the specific realm named the Shadowlands.

But "Empire of Dragons" is non-specific. Like even as a reference to a specific hypothetical empire on the Dragon Isles within the expansion, it's not an empire of Dragons named "Empire of Dragons", that would be insane. Also, you'd then presumably need a determiner, so the title would be "the Empire of Dragons", or it would need to be reversed into "Dragon Empire". Presumably the empire must have some other name, e.g. Dragonia, or Uldraconis or something. "Empire of Dragons" is just a general descriptor of what it is, but expansion titles aren't general descriptors, they have specific named references. Both because that makes them more memorable and because it's much better for copyrighting and trademarking purposes.

It's like naming the expansion "Realm of the Dead" instead of "Shadowlands".

Of course, there's always a first time. But it seems unlikely they'd break a now eight expansion straight trend.

I mean I guess I can see the shoulder pad stuff
The logo is also sitting on what appears to be an ocean
And unless I’m having a stroke there’s a teeny tiny bit of purple in the top left corner

It's most likely an artifact from whatever they originally assembled it from. It's not in all versions

[Makabreska]

A maybe due to he sorta tried to act like he's ashamed and such and such.

Entirety of the old guard acted with a mix of "ashamed we allowed it to happen" with "didn't kno nuttin".

[Sondrelk]

I would argue that the much bigger problem with the title is that it is generic. I do not mean generic as in, "it's plain and I don't like it" I mean that it is quite literally a generic descriptor instead of a specific one. Every expansion name has a specific proper noun associated with it. Not just "A Crusade of Fire" or "A burning crusade" a specifically named military campaign named the Burning Crusade; wrath of the tyrant named the Lich King; the specific event named the Cataclysm; mists of the continent named Pandaria; warlords of the planet namedDraenor; the interdimensional invading armor named the (Burning) Legion; battle for the planet named Azeroth; the specific realm named the Shadowlands.

But "Empire of Dragons" is non-specific. Like even as a reference to a specific hypothetical empire on the Dragon Isles within the expansion, it's not an empire of Dragons named "Empire of Dragons", that would be insane. Also, you'd then presumably need a determiner, so the title would be "the Empire of Dragons", or it would need to be reversed into "Dragon Empire". Presumably the empire must have some other name, e.g. Dragonia, or Uldraconis or something. "Empire of Dragons" is just a general descriptor of what it is, but expansion titles aren't general descriptors, they have specific named references. Both because that makes them more memorable and because it's much better for copyrighting and trademarking purposes.

It's like naming the expansion "Realm of the Dead" instead of "Shadowlands".

Of course, there's always a first time. But it seems unlikely they'd break a now eight expansion straight trend.


It's most likely an artifact from whatever they originally assembled it from. It's not in all versions

I mean, you link Battle for Azeroth, and that is about as generic as it gets.
You can of course make the argument that we are talking about the greater battles across Azeroth as part of a greater "Battle for Azeroth" ongoing across the planet. But all of that wouldnt be much different from Empire of Dragons being about this one congregation (presumably) of dragons on the Dragon Isles.

[Fahrad Wagner]

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...he-Final-Titan

Has this been discussed/debunked yet? Sounds fake to me but there are some oddities to it that still make me wonder

[Hitei]

I mean, you link Battle for Azeroth, and that is about as generic as it gets.

No? That is very, very specfically the proper name of one specific planet.

[Revamp Man]

I mean, that comes with the territory when you sign up for a leadership position. You're ultimately responsible for your teams and what they produce.

This is very different then when people bash Golden because they think she's to blame for the story's direction, even though she has no control over it. These guys are actually in charge of the game's direction.

Do you believe that Ion gets a final detailed look at everything coming in a patch and then goes “this won’t work toss it” or do you believe he delegates that to the top person in each department?

[Jokubas]

The logo is also sitting on what appears to be an ocean

That might be the ticket. I still think it's too subtle, and far more subtle than any other logo, but at least that's a reason for the blue. It's the naval expansion. The Alliance and Horde are trying to recruit the Kul Tiras and Zandalar navies, and Azshara eventually pulls them into the depths of the sea. Okay, I can see that.

[Fahrad Wagner]

That might be the ticket. I still think it's too subtle, and far more subtle than any other logo, but at least that's a reason for the blue. It's the naval expansion. The Alliance and Horde are trying to recruit the Kul Tiras and Zandalar navies, and Azshara eventually pulls them into the depths of the sea. Okay, I can see that.

I still think that logo was somehow disconnected from the overall theme tbh.

[Khaza-R]

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...he-Final-Titan

Has this been discussed/debunked yet? Sounds fake to me but there are some oddities to it that still make me wonder

Sounds like an almost verbatim copy of the Endless Dream "leak" with the Dragon Isles tacked on.

Also as usual, just way too detailed to be plausible.

[Raetary]

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...he-Final-Titan

Has this been discussed/debunked yet? Sounds fake to me but there are some oddities to it that still make me wonder

Sounds quite reasonable to me tbh.

[Revamp Man]

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...he-Final-Titan

Has this been discussed/debunked yet? Sounds fake to me but there are some oddities to it that still make me wonder

They toss a bunch of buzzwords that we have like “Living World” and “Galakrond’s End” and push the class customization stuff that has been a thing since SL speculation but overall it seems like one of the more probable leaks.

Also is there anyone not thinking 9.2 is late next month??