Yes, you're picturing it well.
I think it's just scary for me to think about a world, especially in wow were they would have to lift restriction or just throw out things in lore to make room for player interpretations. I do think tho, that character customization is a tricky one. As it turns out, many peole care for the tags, race descriptions and obviously the package that comes with a race etc. While some get the fyoi treatment, some don't, while they would be equal to us in terms of status, numbers what ever.
So it feels a little unfair/lazy even, to me sometimes. Ngl I always liked Sandtrolls since vanilla in ZF, good stuff. Heard about the skin color, looked for some quests or ingame ref... nothing. I didn't like there was no acknowledgement of them at all and I wasn't sure they joined for a good time. I wouldn't have liked a HM tauren situation, where it's just the same race, but with x. But I would have liked some quest to explain their status. You know.. DING you unlocked x achievement would have been an option as well. No beards included. When thinking about it, I can still get a little bitter over it as this was just one example.
Expectation: Turalyon will be an interesting villain and good foil to Anduin.
Reality: Turalyon will just die cause of old age, and throne will be served for Anduin like a mommy cake.
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Warrior-Magi
While technically true, a lot of that time didn't see any actual fighting. The wars in WoW have been vastly more active affairs.
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It's not even a year or two between, since the events of an expansion don't happen in the space of a (few) days, but over a span of months. Generally, most expansions till now have seen maybe a month or two of calm before the next one hit off.
Man, you can go so many ways with him... you just like him and don't want him to die, I get it.
But he doesn't need to die, to still make use of him or any of the many light shenanigans. Light puppet, Turalyon Xe'ras hand, champion, will? Xe'ra, Yrel, Scarlet crusade, Grommash?you name it. You know there are actually a lot of people who find those hooks to be interesting.
But come on.. him slowly becoming more fanatical over time, starting to demand odd things.. Alleria getting suspicious etc. We know Gilneas will be back in alliance hands soon, so Greymane is probably off going there. Meaning.. Turalyon is now alone in stormwind. ;p
It's starting to become a meme almost, but it still sounds interesting to me ngl
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I don't care either, but isn't it obvious where it all started tho? it started with Xe'ra and her approach to Illidan. Knowing Turalyon is basically praying to her, people were instantly questioning Turalyon. How devoted is he? was he converted? Then him becoming the replacement for Anduin, giving him sorta free reign obviously got the theories flowing.
I mean, some of them were pretty wild.
lmao I just don't like characters being wasted and this whole Light fanatics storyline in general but that is where things are going and well I want to asvoid being a broken record. Its not gonna surprise me if Turalyon doesn't yield the Stormwind throne if that happens.
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Warrior-Magi
Every time I see someone advocating Turalyon going evil, I picture a Horde player still salty about Garrosh/Sylvanas. Just like with some still wanting Siege of SW. I just don't see it as a genuine want to spice up the story, but rather as a some kind of a weird "faction justice" thingy.
Sometimes, the light of the moon is a key to other spaces. I've found a place where, for a night or two, the streets curve in unfamiliar ways. If I walk here, I might find insight, or I might be touched by madness.
But we already had answers to this. Willing to question her to save his wife, willing to work with the man who murdered her. That is not the story of a fanatic. A fanatic would be questioning his wife that had not seen for hundreds of years due to her ties with the wife; not work with her while she is openly using the Void. A fanatic would have continued with his attack on Illidan instead of immediately stopping at the first prompt by Velen and at least detained him after; not stand right next to him and continue with shared plans.
Turalyon would be a great character to forge an initial alliance with Yrel if she comes, try to advocate for the Light and her Crusade but immediately turn on her when she turns on his wife or commits atrocities. If there is a Light vs Void campaign, Turalyon has perfectly set himself up to be a moderate that wants us to all work together against the greater threats.
If anything the problem is that while the Light vs Void seems to be a central struggle for Warcraft, the Horde has been given almost nothing to work with there. They recently got Calia but I doubt Forsaken players will ever embrace her. They completely failed to capitalize on Zabra, making him SHADOW ffs in the priest hall instead of showing how any race can follow the Light. While Natalie Seline is a great character she immediately robs the spotlight from the previous leadership of the Church of the Forgotten Shadow like Aethalyste. We did get Geyarah who will be a central character Horde side against the Light but has no ties to the Void (and if anyone is a fanatic, she is). So when the Light vs Void happens we will once again have an expansion where Alliance characters will be front and center and the Horde will have no one to relate to.
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Sometimes, the light of the moon is a key to other spaces. I've found a place where, for a night or two, the streets curve in unfamiliar ways. If I walk here, I might find insight, or I might be touched by madness.
Yeah no, the same cannot be said in any way. Every question that could be raised about Turalyon was answered in the same scene in which was raised always showing him as moderate. Garrosh had only one instance of being moderate and that was a miscommunication; Sylvanas needed a book to reorient her character because every other source was against her being in any way moderate.
I wish they were moderate, really do. Wish the Horde had a viable story with them. But that's what happened and your headcanon cannot fix that.
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I mean that would be cool as well if we did not JUST have that storyline with Anduin.
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Sometimes, the light of the moon is a key to other spaces. I've found a place where, for a night or two, the streets curve in unfamiliar ways. If I walk here, I might find insight, or I might be touched by madness.
The thing is.. It doesn't take much braincells to see this. It doesn't need advocating even. To me, it's the other way around. The ones who are against the idea such as you are trying really hard to make it look like it's a bland, boring, not spicy enough story. While in fact many ideas and theories are liked by a lot. So idk.. it's just seems like you are just dissagreeing here, which is fine.
Like I said, he doesn't even need to die, or be pure evil. But, hes a perfect candidate to be swayed by the light and start some shit on Azeroth, everyone sees this. I also see enough room for spice, so idk man. I also never though about Sylvanas or Garrosh for one moment here, maybe some do, but not me;p I am only salty about Rastakahn.
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Did you even pay attention to any of the story in 7.3? Turalyon is very clearly devoted to something, yes. But it isn't Xe'ra. It's his wife. And even there, his devotion doesn't descend into fanaticism. He's not a fanatic.
It took little more than a few words from Velen to get him to see that a) Illidan was more important than the now-dead Xe'ra and b) that what Xe'ra was trying was an attack on Illidan. A fanatic would never even consider either of those points. There's sadly way to much evidence of just how far fanatics are willing to go to ignore reality in favour of their preconceived worldview.
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No, he's not. The Scarlets would be, and maybe some of the Lightforged, but Turalyon is a complete miss that you don't seem to have actually bothered to properly research.
That's all great, but playing it a bit save here. Well, hes god got destroyed in front of hes eyes and got stopped with one hand of Illidan, while he was already down cus of Xe'ra. Made Illidan look a lot stronger there. That little moment tho is not enough to know exactly how he see or how he act in the future, it was just a new look at the light and how it could act. Turlyon being the number one follower, made the the ideas come pretty natural. Now knowing that Greymane will leave for Gilneas it only fuels the ideas, you know.. hes in SW alone. Planning or getting whispers of Xe'ra to bring her on Azeroth or what ever. I mean.. it's easy and you could go into different directions here. It really doesn't sound bad to me. Not my idea tho.
But like.. that's just one way to do it. A setup for an eventual confrontation wit Yrel and what her plans are, could go in all sorts of ways, but she obviously needs allies. Using the Naaru or the light to sway Turalyon over would be a tactical move, while they wait to move to Azeroth. Xe'ra could play a role here. Sure the idea that Yrel will think very differently over Alleria being there could go in the way your saying, but..
I could also see Turalyon being swayed over time and start to act weird and hes look in hes eyes change. Slow build up kind of story. Eventually leading into being swayed so hard that he will gather old and new allies who share the view. Scarlets could be involved here. All All I am saying is.. Turalyon has potential, he could be an interesting character, but for him to become that, he needs more then goody two shoe and saving the world. Hes devotion to the light could be explored and how he view things can change..
Yea, I think you are right. It's hard to think about a cool hook for the horde with light v void. Blood elves come to mind as they currently bathe in the light. It would be yet another elf vs elf thing, while thining about it. Idk for some reason I liked Natalie, she felt mysterious at first. We have couple of other characters still left.. I don't like her, but we have the queen of Zandalar who is priest. Still.. no one really has a true link to that story, it would need some big build up on the horde side. Atleast to have some kind of anchor there. Using all of these random characters to drive the story no one really cares about would just fall flat sadly.
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I think you missed the point, you are just describing of what happened. I think you actually asked the same question in other words before. But, this is what actually started those theories and ideas.
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Ye, he is. I mean.. It's fine you are dissagreeing, but no please don't give Turalyon more credit then he deserves right now. Me saying Turalyons view can change has little to nothing to do with me needing to do research.
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