Sometimes, the light of the moon is a key to other spaces. I've found a place where, for a night or two, the streets curve in unfamiliar ways. If I walk here, I might find insight, or I might be touched by madness.
So I'm assuming two weeks until pre-patch hits the ptr
Assuming it goes live on the leaked date that means tons of fun with the new talents
I'm guessing the legendaries get deactivated so we will have the usual whine about having less than we do now ignoring the fact you can have the entirety of a talent row
I am curious about how far our gear will be able to get us through the leveling process and I'm assuming prepatch will give atleast 240 so I gotta hurry and level my priest for the AR heritage
There's also some certainty that we will see legendaries return from wrathion or his brother with only flavor differences
Let's make a clear distinction between a "war-hungry character" like MoP-Legion Jaina or WotLK Varian and a "crazy psycho lunatic bitch character" like Garrosh and Sylvanas.
What we Alliance players wanted was the former. Someone who has a spine and will not tolerate any transgression commited against the Alliance. But also someone who is not generic pure evil.
That's why many people complained how Jaina went from "beware... of me!" in BfA pre-patch, to being horny for Thrall in 8.2.
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You are comparing an Aspect empowered by the Titans and by the Old God N'Zoth, to a faction of barbarians living in mud huts. Scientifically, your comparison doesn't make sense. What Deathwing can do is irrelevant to what the Horde can do.
Also, last I checked, we only breached Antorus thanks to the Vindicaar. Which is used by the Alliance, btw. Since the Horde are barbarians living in mud huts who couldn't possibly know how to build a spaceship.
Again with the buzzword variant of "science", just stop using that word if you don't know the meaning. I mean i can mangle and malform the meanings of words too if that's the game, let's give these words a little bit more photosynthesis, though i think we can quickly agree that this is pointless.
Anyway, yeah they're not comparable in raw destructive comparison, it's not like the Horde has ever had or used the capacity to wipe entire cities off the map and reshape the world in a whim? Oh wait.
It's a bit more complex than that i'll admit, but it's foolish to believe that just Saurfang's words reflect some absolute state of in-lore reality rather than it just being another perspective that indicates that, yes, Stormwind is very well defended.
But to call a city that has been sacked in the past and where the world's fattest living dragon could set his ass without encountering meaningful resistance anything close to "untakeable"? That's just factually wrong.
And yes, i am aware of the vindicaar. I also note its absence in the story since its introduction, implying the lightforged are more like the kirin'tor in that they side with the alliance but reserve their true powers for world ending threats.
This is a signature of an ailing giant, boundless in pride, wit and strength.
Yet also as humble as health and humor permit.
Furthermore, I consider that Carthage Slam must be destroyed.
Nope. You're objectively proven wrong. Canon literally disproves your headcanon.
The writers of Blizzard spoke through Saurfang and they stated that the Horde can never take Stormwind.
Don't worry though, if you go to SoO (the real Orgrimmar breached by the Alliance) and fight Garrosh, you'll enter into a nightmare where Stormwind (a fake alternate Stormwind) is breached. Same thing if you play 8.3 content. Unfortunately, a nightmare is the only place where Stormwind will ever be breached.
Gameplay has nothing to do with this.
Lorewise, Orgrimmar was breached and taken by the Alliance/Rebel forces at the end of MoP, with Khadgar in WoD noting that Orgrimmar was "sacked".
Lorewise, a similar scenario will never happen to Stormwind, because the Horde army can't take Stormwind. This was Canonically confirmed by the Blizzard writers speaking through the supreme general of all Horde armies.
I suppose Rome never did conquer Carthage; They created a desert and called it peace.
But you know the nice thing about empty space?
It doesn't need to be taken fron anything, nor readily held against anything.
And so they created a new colony there and called it Carthage again.
At this point not calling it conquest is just pointless prattling about definitions.
This is a signature of an ailing giant, boundless in pride, wit and strength.
Yet also as humble as health and humor permit.
Furthermore, I consider that Carthage Slam must be destroyed.
Canon literally shows a dragon's ass in Stormwind, and mentions its destruction at the hands of the previous Horde thoroughly; it is not only takeable, it has literally been taken, broken into, its defenses shown to be pointless against various sorts of threats. It is literally not untakeable because it has been taken.
"The writers spoke through Saurfang"? Holy batman do you have no sense of perspective for anything? That's about as headcanon as headcanon gets; "I am convinced random old orc general speaks absolute truths regarding this thing i totally coincidentally happen to care about.". How can you not see yourself?
I don't really care about Stormwind ever being breached in the game, it's as good a location for afight as many others.
But the thing is that we have seen it being breached, in a cinematic trailer no less. Getting into cognitive dissonance mode for whatever reason really changes nothing about that.
This is a signature of an ailing giant, boundless in pride, wit and strength.
Yet also as humble as health and humor permit.
Furthermore, I consider that Carthage Slam must be destroyed.
This is a signature of an ailing giant, boundless in pride, wit and strength.
Yet also as humble as health and humor permit.
Furthermore, I consider that Carthage Slam must be destroyed.
Your Deathwing comparison remains illogical and I already addressed it. Deathwing literally had the power to end the entire world, stop comparing him with a horde of barbarians living in mud huts.
Saurfang literally took part in the First War and he still denied any possibility of taking Stormwind. Canon simply continues to prove you wrong.
If you think Saurfang was wrong, you didn't understand the story of BfA at all. If the Horde could take Stormwind, they would have done it right away.
Also hilarious is how you try to downplay Saurfang's importance, when he was literally a veteran of the First War and a major military leader of the Horde armies.
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I mean if Jaina had not been trigger happy, Varian probably would have dismantled the Horde diplomatically. First peel off the Blood Elves, then they could have gone for Baine and the Tauren.
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Heck, the player and a few NPCs breached Stormwind, got one of the most dangerous people out of jail and set fire to the entire city.
He did have that power, but he barely used even a fraction of it on Stormwind while making mockery of its defenses. Meanwhile the Horde has been shown to have the capacity to rival the powers used by Deathwing to make a mockery out of Stormwind, and has used them on that once-strong human city of Theramore, demonstrating how futile defenses can be.
Adressing something is fine and dandy, but it says nothing about the quality with which you have done so, about the extent to which you have made a point at all.
Saurfang literally took part in taking Stormwind the first time, this shows that he knows he is wrpng when he states it is untakeable; he is an old soldier, he wants his glorious death and to be done with it, not to engage in yet another suicidal but not unwinnable siege of a well defended fortress. That was the whole schtick of his character in those shorts: The old soldier, tired of fighting, seeking to make a difference by ending a war in a remotely positive sense for once.
Did you miss the part where the Horde sailed for Zandalar because they lacked the ships? The question of "could we take Stormwind" has not at any point in the BfA campaign been relevant because they literally couldn't get there in any meaningful capacity.
But you know what that says about Stormwind being untakeable? Exactly jackshit, it just means that the wooden wall is holding. It's like with Great Britain: If the island is breached in a meaningful manner then no Brit has any illusions about winning, about the island being untakeable by any virtue of its own. Yet the Eastern Kingdoms are a bit harder to defend and a little bit less unified than Great Britain, no?
Saurfang is literally a random orc, he has some historical, tactical and strategic insights, but nothing of relevance for assessing any objective truths. Even the titans have been demonstrated to not always have such insights, what is an orc next to that? You focussing on him here just blows his relevance way out of proportion.
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This is a signature of an ailing giant, boundless in pride, wit and strength.
Yet also as humble as health and humor permit.
Furthermore, I consider that Carthage Slam must be destroyed.