The whole purpose of alternate universe 'what if' scenarios is to explore exactly these kinds of ideas!
What we got was super disappointing, id have loved to see 'what if the horde heroes were never corrupted' and what we got from the alternate reality was 'what if the horde heroes were simply always evil'.
I guess the main purpose was revitalising draenor, the original script I think was doing a cata level rework on Outland but I guess they didn't like the thought of deleting a continent.
I'd say bringing in the alliance as the end threat might have been introducing too many characters but honestly if they replaced the legion it would have been fine. imagine wods end patch having he kings of azeroth invading and squaring off against the warlords and needing to stop the alliance from wiping out the orcs.
Honestly I don't care how ridiculous the story would be because time travel is a nonsense fever dream anyway, but having the alliance as the aggressors would have been SO much more fun than going from an X-Pac where orcs are evil to orcs being evil.
At least demon hunters played fast
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Honestly imagine the Alliance invading, actually being a righteous alliance who is being misled by Medivh who is also Sargeras in that AU and using them to invade our reality to save Azeroth from us.
While the range is not so much of an issue for Devastation, it comes an issue for Preservation the moment other healer outclass them - and they do, in basically everything. Heck, Monk and Druid are even more mobile than Evoker, which takes away the only plus that Evoker is said to have.
The problem is, Evoker doesn't serve any purpose. The class brings absolutely nothing that others don't bring and on top of that, do better than Evoker. There's an inherent issue with its class design because right now, it wouldn't make a difference if you have Evoker or not. The class only fulfills the "Dragon" fantasy somehow, and not even in that regard it's doing a good job. Besides that, the class is just so underwhelming and boring. I'm going to main one, because I'm burnt out of all the other healers, but the issues are far and wide with both Evoker specs. And Blizzard already announced they are mostly just doing tuning now, which is not Evoker's main concern. So the class will release in this state and if there are major changes, they will come with 10.1 - which might be too late, to make the class popular. I fear they'll be the new Monks when it comes to popularity.
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Exactly. Casting skills with a 3,5 second duration and being rooted for that time in a place is the exact opposite of the supposedly very mobile and fast gameplay. I don't know why they tried to combine both aspects in a class. It just doesn't work.
They put a lot of time into Preservation and it shows, with 40y range the spec could be good and find its niche. But Devastation? It's a dead spec, in PvP even moreso than in PvE. Most of the time and effort clearly went into Preservation, which has a lot of unique ideas and playstyles. Devastation? Nothing innovative or fresh at all. It's as you said, mirroring the lifelessness of Havoc DH.
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Have to agree. Shadow Priest and Balance Druid are looking amazing. They did a great job with both specs.
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Btw while the tier sets we are getting are not bad looking, anyone else hoping they quit it with the monochrome glowy crap?
True, I've heard that the Healing Evoker is pretty shit and nigh unviable.
Evoker to me feels like they had an idea of "Dragons" and no idea how to actually implement that, which is sad.
I am mostly speaking from a DPS perspective.
I mean, I wouldn't say that Evokers bring nothing. Source of Magic is a great cooldown for Healers, their Shield-Breaking spell might have some cheese potential, Group Mobility is really undervalued by people which they bring a lot of and they got a big raid damage reduction plus a better priest grip, and funnily enough, they will bring a big DPS boost to Demon Hunters, but even then, outside of that, DPS-wise, they don't really have anything. They have good single target, but once it goes to even remotely multi-target, the spec just falls apart and becomes incredibly clunky to play.
Empowering is probably the biggest class-design flop in recent memory. They hyped it up like this huge thing, and at the end of the day, you have two spells that are empowered and for one, you just use it at Max Charge every single time, and for the other one, you just use it at Level 1 (if it's single target). No thought required.
I love everything else about Evokers, I love how they look, I love the concept of Visage Form, I love their racials (a bit miffed about transmogs, but eh), but they really dropped the ball on it. Balance Druids got like 10 different talent trees while for Evokers, they just dumbed down and dumbed down the tree into a playstyle where you only use one spell.
No? Unlike with Shadowlands sets, this time we are actually getting the nice glow for all sets - quite a step in the right direction. Literally none of the sets looks shit this time around, so everyone wins. Unlike f.e. Sanctum sets which got dumped down just for the Elite/Mythic tints ...
If you dislike glow, just get leveling gear or older transmog instead?^^
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Also for people that were hoping other races might be evoker, thats not happening at least in DF. Since they obviously put a couple of nodes that affect Dracthyr racial abilities in the class talent tree for evoker
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Yeah, with Balance Druid and Shadow Priest they really showed what versatility and several builds can mean. Devastation has basically... one build, because the talents are so bad that you have not much choice anyway. As I said, Preservation looks great and is just severely undertuned and held back by its limited range and the failure of empowered spells in general - besides that? Good spec, fresh new ideas and some great potential. Devastation? There is just nothing there. The worst part is, that the limited range is just arbitrary and has basically zero pay off. Right now it's just a net loss overall that is compensated by nothing.
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Evoker for other races was just a red herring to not have to give the final "no". Like honestly, who's expecting Goblin or Draenei Evoker? It ain't happening. They'd have to remake the entire Hover mechanic which is a centerpiece of Evoker's so called mobility (I mean they could make it some type of levitating, but that would be pretty terrible).
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Yeah, because Evokers are Dracthyr. It wouldn't make any sense to release other races for them haha.
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You unlock worldquests via the leveling campaign (as soon as lvl 68). Did you skipped that and focused on side quests instead to reach max level?
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Hopefully tomorrow we will have final build before tuning phase. Wanted to check few specs, but felt like waste of time when there could be rework any moment.
I could see Dracthyr getting some new classes. But what's the point of giving Evoker to other races, just give them as option for visage and you get something even better.
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Most of them look good individually. But I think it stifles creativity a bit to keep them unified in color scheme. I think for the whole primal theme it fits well. But either way, I think its going to get old in a few tiers from now.
Still infinitely better than what we got from 8.0 -> 9.1.
Tuning and design will likely be concurrent on a class by class basis.
Some are definitely as good as they are likely to get, while others still have glaring issues that could be fixed.
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I kinda like them being unified in color. Let's you make a decent transmog with just the pieces that drop from s single difficulty, without requiring creating the tier pieces.
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I understand blizzard are trying to redeem themselves somehow but the black elves and gay/lesbian couples feel SO forced in the campaign ... You want to do a favor to minorities? Don't write them at the expanse of the story ...