1. #68421
    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Atia View Post
    Ok, now you surely are trolling, right?

    Because there is no difference between someone getting an item via persoloot who than keeps it (although in your words, he doesn't need said item), or someone rolling need for an item that IN YOUR EYES is not needed. At the end of the day, it's not your decision to make if someone else needs an item anyways, they helped down the boss as much as you. And they don't take away any loot if they press need, not more than with perso loot anyways. Atleast with group loot, you can't get the same item twice anymore.

    Stop being entitled, you are not the loot police. And Blizzard already has a mainspec > offspec > no need prio system with their new rolls anyways.

    Oh also, just because people are currently playing spec X doesn't mean they don't want to actually play spec Y, or plan to do so but need a certain weapon first, that's why they have the mainspec / offspec system. You know, people are allowed to play more than one role ...
    It seems you can't read, so Im not going to discuss this further with you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by micwini View Post
    It seems you can't read, so Im not going to discuss this further with you.
    Ehm, you ok buddy? Because I answered your complains, it seems like you are the one who has nothing against my arguments so you are back to "QQ me stops talking now".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    That system is pointless when you can switch what mainspec means at will.
    Well, you still have to decide on a "per boss" basis what spec you want. Is the issue that someone could get a shield, 1h and 2h from the same raid night? Because same could happen right now with perso loot too, you know?^^

    Also, I'm quite sure you have to set your loot spec before the loot dropps. You can't just switch if you see your offspec weapon, lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Atia View Post
    Well, you still have to decide on a "per boss" basis what spec you want. Is the issue that someone could get a shield, 1h and 2h from the same raid night? Because same could happen right now with perso loot too, you know?^^
    With personal loot you are not taking it from anyone.

    In group loot, other people can actively see all loot and see this one guy need rolling on everything

  4. #68424
    Quote Originally Posted by Lahis View Post
    With personal loot you are not taking it from anyone.

    In group loot, other people can actively see all loot and see this one guy need rolling on everything
    It really is this. By making the system opaque, Personal loot directed all the player's distaste (or at least most of it) with their loot experience to the system. Any form of system that gives players agency however and they will blame each other for everything. It is harmful to the community.

  5. #68425
    Exactly, even if a system internally works exactly the same player perception is a very important thing. The way you user perceives what happens is much more important to them then the technical way it happens behind the scenes.
    It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death

  6. #68426
    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Atia View Post
    Ok, now you surely are trolling, right?

    Because there is no difference between someone getting an item via persoloot who than keeps it (although in your words, he doesn't need said item), or someone rolling need for an item that IN YOUR EYES is not needed. At the end of the day, it's not your decision to make if someone else needs an item anyways, they helped down the boss as much as you. And they don't take away any loot if they press need, not more than with perso loot anyways. Atleast with group loot, you can't get the same item twice anymore.

    Stop being entitled, you are not the loot police. And Blizzard already has a mainspec > offspec > no need prio system with their new rolls anyways.

    Oh also, just because people are currently playing spec X doesn't mean they don't want to actually play spec Y, or plan to do so but need a certain weapon first, that's why they have the mainspec / offspec system. You know, people are allowed to play more than one role ...
    I don't agree with this, if they press need and don't actually need it then they absolutely are taking it away from someone who does. At least with personal loot it is a system that is giving loot to people that may not 'need' it rather than a person choosing to be greedy or selfish.

    When in a PUG or LFR, If someone needs loot for their main spec then absolutely, they should roll 'need' - if it's for an off spec, to sell for gold, to give to a friend or for transmog then it should be greed imo.

    My hope is that blizzard tune the amount of loot that drops based on the fact people will 'ninja' loot so more drops to account for that than when using personal loot although I worry that won't be the case and it'll actually be harder to get loot.
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  7. #68427
    Quote Originally Posted by micwini View Post
    Why? They doubled down on the fact that this is not just for testing. None of these points fix the issues that were back in LFR Dragon Soul.
    You can easily switch "MAIN spec" mid fight to get an item for the spec you're not playing.

    With personal loot, you roll against a computer, not against other players. You don't take away loot from others if you get an item with personal loot. This WILL BE the case with group loot.

    Why do some people have such a hard time reading this specific thing you underlined? I don't get it.
    Yeah, this only reaffirms my expectation that they'll hurriedly throw this out again after season 1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luck4 View Post
    The animated series was canceled?
    No, they just haven't announced it yet.

    We always get it weekly with the pre-patch, just wait till that's announced.
    Probably will be included with it or be announced right after.


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  9. #68429
    Quote Originally Posted by Luck4 View Post
    The animated series was canceled?

    I don't see it listed anywhere on the Official Dragonflight Preview page, and now that we got the release date and everything about the launch process, there's still no teaser or any information regarding the animated series.

    What happened?

    Teasers from previous expansions:







    I think someone a while ago said that theres already 3 places in the game that are designated to contain these videos. Currently they still show a placeholder. So they're coming for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arafal View Post
    No, they just haven't announced it yet.

    We always get it weekly with the pre-patch, just wait till that's announced.
    Probably will be included with it or be announced right after.
    Yeah, Beta implies we will get three vids again. One for the Fall of Galakrond, one for the Creation of the Dracthyr and I think the last one was about Deathwings Fall to Madness?

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    Today I just saw this, and hurray! I got the invite to beta!

    Last edited by olzenkhaw; 2022-09-30 at 11:13 AM.

  12. #68432
    Quote Originally Posted by olzenkhaw View Post


    Today I just saw this, and hurray! I got the invite to beta!

    Feels incredibly bad man, having bought every single deluxe edition there is, playing since vanilla, when I got beta, I made a lot of bug reports etc...
    Nothing...just...nothing.

  13. #68433
    Quote Originally Posted by olzenkhaw View Post


    Today I just saw this, and hurray! I got the invite to beta!

    gz ... not jealous at all lol
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    Asked the customer support guys if my perma ban from 7 years ago matters if I get chosen for beta or not, they said nope as it's too old of a ban.
    Glad to know I'm just horribly unlucky

  15. #68435
    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    That system is pointless when you can switch what mainspec means at will.
    People's concern is clearly the usual nonsense about ninjaing (because people seem obsessed with not being able to play in organized, non-shitty communities). In LFR or literally anywhere else, if they want to roll on something in the way people insinuate with the main/off specc thing, they'd have to change the loot specc while the boss is still being fought in hopes that the item they want to grief on is going to actually drop. Once the roll is already going, so the second loot has been popped up on your screen, your specc roll choice is locked in.

  16. #68436
    Apparently they do these waves manually or semi-manually so waves can take a couple days

  17. #68437
    Even though the system *functions* the same way, my reaction to Personal Loot giving someone an item and they say they need it for transmog will be a whole lot different than someone pressing need on it and "taking" it from me for the same reason.

    No difference on a technical level, player reactions will be night and day.

  18. #68438
    Quote Originally Posted by Dracullus View Post
    It was pretty obvious to me that group loot will have more modern rules that would prevent from snatching item you don't even need. But I see from wowhead comments still some people have problem with understanding system even after this blue post.

    So in general, positives changes are: no more "do you neeeeeeed?" and whispers; yep I clicked 'need', I need this; and second, this will discourage class stacking. Only big problem I see are weapon types that only few specs use, like bows/guns for 2 hunter or warglaives for 2 demon hunter specs.



    Don't worry, you will find something to call DF worst shit ever created. Probably when you find out that flying mounts have gravity or sth.
    Dude it took months for players to realize flex in MoP was winged...I don't expect much from the group

    I think the weapon problem won't be as bad as we are assuming though

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gigantique View Post
    Even though the system *functions* the same way, my reaction to Personal Loot giving someone an item and they say they need it for transmog will be a whole lot different than someone pressing need on it and "taking" it from me for the same reason.

    No difference on a technical level, player reactions will be night and day.
    The situation where that works would require it to be an upgrade in terms of ilvl for both of you with the new system

    If they have something higher or equal it prioritizes the roll of the person with lower gear

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    Btw just noticed, the Dracthyr escorting the Alliance boat to Dragon Isles are all posing with swords.

  20. #68440
    Quote Originally Posted by ZyntosAran View Post
    Feels incredibly bad man, having bought every single deluxe edition there is, playing since vanilla, when I got beta, I made a lot of bug reports etc...
    Nothing...just...nothing.
    Idk, I always felt like beta would just spoil things for when it hits live.

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