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    Quote Originally Posted by Lahis View Post
    With personal loot you are not taking it from anyone.

    In group loot, other people can actively see all loot and see this one guy need rolling on everything
    your stilling taking loot that would have gone to others with PL the only difference is that it’s all on the back end so our party can’t see you doing it deliberately.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dracullus View Post
    So in general, positives changes are: no more "do you neeeeeeed?" and whispers; yep I clicked 'need', I need this; and second, this will discourage class stacking. Only big problem I see are weapon types that only few specs use, like bows/guns for 2 hunter or warglaives for 2 demon hunter specs.
    What do you mean no more? Items will remain fully tradable to eligible players after you win a roll, so of course peeps will get plenty of whispers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorgar Aurelian View Post
    your stilling taking loot that would have gone to others with PL the only difference is that it’s all on the back end so our party can’t see you doing it deliberately.
    But that's the crux. By removing player agency you are also absolving them of responsibility.

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    I signed up for DF Beta...

    :3 still waiting for it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Btw just noticed, the Dracthyr escorting the Alliance boat to Dragon Isles are all posing with swords.
    What are you supposing?
    MAGA - Make Alliance Great Again

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    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    What do you mean no more? Items will remain fully tradable to eligible players after you win a roll, so of course peeps will get plenty of whispers.
    Because currently it's not clear that you need item when you get it, you can get it randomly, that's why people ask. Especially since people do LFR or even higher difficulty for different things than gear, so they often indeed don't need gear.

    Now you will hit button NEED before you get item, which imply that, yes, you need that. Sure, you still can get angry whisper from some shithead, but that person will know he will achieve nothing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Forum Man View Post
    Dude it took months for players to realize flex in MoP was winged...I don't expect much from the group

    I think the weapon problem won't be as bad as we are assuming though
    Yeah, you're probably right, only 'problematic' weapons are warglaives, agi ranged and agi daggers anyway.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmicpreds View Post
    I signed up for DF Beta...

    :3 still waiting for it...
    Eh, it's just 2 months, don't spoil yourself at this point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dracullus View Post
    Because currently it's not clear that you need item when you get it, you can get it randomly, that's why people ask. Especially since people do LFR or even higher difficulty for different things than gear, so they often indeed don't need gear.

    Now you will hit button NEED before you get item, which imply that, yes, you need that. Sure, you still can get angry whisper from some shithead, but that person will know he will achieve nothing.
    You really do not know player base if you think it will reduce whispers. "Pls I really need that, plsplsplsplsplspls", "Bro, y u need that? It has shit stats for your spec", "WTF??? You alr have 2 set, give it to someone else!" Guaranteed people wont even pay attention to whether item was won in Need roll.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Forum Man View Post
    Dude it took months for players to realize flex in MoP was winged...I don't expect much from the group

    I think the weapon problem won't be as bad as we are assuming though

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    The situation where that works would require it to be an upgrade in terms of ilvl for both of you with the new system

    If they have something higher or equal it prioritizes the roll of the person with lower gear
    Nah from what I read it would only cancel them out if they had the EXACT same item? Because in that scenario I could be denied an actual upgrade if I had a ring with 5 more ilvl but horrible stats for my spec etc.

    So anyone can need for anything if it's their main spec and they don't have the same item I think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyel View Post
    What are you supposing?
    Just saying, they are already shown using weapons.

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    Group loot will still have loot lock for the week I'm assuming

    Also there will be degenerates that will go in for the miniboss kills to scoop up Boe items
    That's me I'm degenerates

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forum Man View Post
    Group loot will still have loot lock for the week I'm assuming

    Also there will be degenerates that will go in for the miniboss kills to scoop up Boe items
    That's me I'm degenerates
    Hahahahaha. Jokes aside, I'm kinda glad that the days of these boe farm groups are over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forum Man View Post
    Group loot will still have loot lock for the week I'm assuming

    Also there will be degenerates that will go in for the miniboss kills to scoop up Boe items
    That's me I'm degenerates
    I mean they are locked but if you wanna farm the 1g 53s more power to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forum Man View Post
    Apparently they do these waves manually or semi-manually so waves can take a couple days
    More like "to not accidentally DDOS somebody".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    You really do not know player base if you think it will reduce whispers. "Pls I really need that, plsplsplsplsplspls", "Bro, y u need that? It has shit stats for your spec", "WTF??? You alr have 2 set, give it to someone else!" Guaranteed people wont even pay attention to whether item was won in Need roll.
    But they never will get anything from whispers, now they often do, so it's worth a shot.

    Btw, do you often get "dude plsplspls gimme that instead he doesn't need it" from person #1 when you put some item on roll and person #2 win? No, 99% people just move on, it's not 2012 now there are multiple sources of loot and raid is far from most effictient. But sure, whatever you say. Let's review it in few months.

    "Guaranteed people wont even pay attention to whether item was won in Need roll." Kinda obvious it was won in need roll if you pressed need and didn't get it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by huth View Post
    More like "to not accidentally DDOS somebody".
    I mean yeah that's a possible reason lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forum Man View Post
    Group loot will still have loot lock for the week I'm assuming

    Also there will be degenerates that will go in for the miniboss kills to scoop up Boe items
    That's me I'm degenerates
    Brought me a chuckle that.
    Personally i've never bothered.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dracullus View Post
    But they never will get anything from whispers, now they often do, so it's worth a shot.

    Btw, do you often get "dude plsplspls gimme that instead he doesn't need it" from person #1 when you put some item on roll and person #2 win? No, 99% people just move on, it's not 2012 now there are multiple sources of loot and raid is far from most effictient. But sure, whatever you say. Let's review it in few months.

    "Guaranteed people wont even pay attention to whether item was won in Need roll." Kinda obvious it was won in need roll if you pressed need and didn't get it.
    Plus this cuts down on having to deal with whispers from not getting a piece you can use but a piece that others can

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    huh got into the beta, probably wont play it to much but should be nice to mess around a bit with Drac character creation and what not.
    All I ever wanted was the truth. Remember those words as you read the ones that follow. I never set out to topple my father's kingdom of lies from a sense of misplaced pride. I never wanted to bleed the species to its marrow, reaving half the galaxy clean of human life in this bitter crusade. I never desired any of this, though I know the reasons for which it must be done. But all I ever wanted was the truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 8bithamster View Post
    Even though ysera literally said she would be back if the winter queen willed it?

    Yea.. Your headcanon not being true is not Blizzard failing. Nice try though!
    Do you mean when the Winter Queen said Ysera would be back if Elune willed it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    Do you mean when the Winter Queen said Ysera would be back if Elune willed it?
    Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Ysera say that she could return if Elune willed it, Winter Queen not being involved?

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