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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    I don’t actually understand that one...
    Biden signed an Executive order in which he signalled that the adminostration might make the push to enforce the inclusion of trans women into womens sport (there is no official policy yet)

    This is prob the only one I agree with tbh

    Like most studies on the topic have showm that trans women who have gone through male puberty have an advantage over cis women.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NED funded View Post
    Biden signed an Executive order in which he signalled that the adminostration might make the push to enforce the inclusion of trans women into womens sport (there is no official policy yet)

    This is prob the only one I agree with tbh

    Like most studies on the topic have showm that trans women who have gone through male puberty have an advantage over cis women.
    What does the bold mean?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    Even if Biden pushed through M4A tomorrow these people would still bitch and moan. Just let them QQ and focus on what’s actually important.
    If Biden pushed through M4A, the ultra left wing progressives would claim it was because of them. They simply can't praise Biden period. They either claim he's doing a shitty job, or if he does something they want, they try to take the credit.
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    I don't care if he committed tax fraud. Scoring political victories and crushing the aspirations of your political opponents is more important than adhering to moral principles.
    Knadra finally just admitting Trumpkins care more about political victories than morals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cthulhu 2020 View Post
    If Biden pushed through M4A, the ultra left wing progressives would claim it was because of them. They simply can't praise Biden period. They either claim he's doing a shitty job, or if he does something they want, they try to take the credit.
    But it would be because of them... I mean we have him on record you know... saying he is against it.... like what the fuck is wrong with you people?

    Let me just quote pacox


    Are some people actually arguing that progressives shouldnt take credit for pulling the part left? What kind of backwards logic...


    Biden is a very well established centrists.
    Progressives lobby for progressive policies
    Biden mentions said policies.

    Insecure Liberals: "STFU you progressive socialist. We were pushing that agenda all along. So what if we've never mentioned it before and it's the only thing you've talked about for the last 4 years. Look at the 'Cosplay Leftists' complain about us cosplaying as progressives. They aren't even complaining yet? Let's back them into a corner until they do! "

    Gahdamn. I swear some core Dems hate allies from left more than they hate McConnell's GOP.
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    Black people in america should be happy their ancestors where slaves so they could have a good live.
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    Black women are racist. Im the one trying to make her[my wife] behave like white people and not say it out loud.
    Totally not racist

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    Quote Originally Posted by postman1782 View Post
    Wow, whoever the retard is that is tweeting this bullshit, is a fucking moron.
    Troops sleeping in garage.

    umm they are fucking troops, if them sleeping on the floor and garage is so bad and they can't handle it we are in a lot of fucking trouble if we got into real trouble.

    Maybe some of these idiots and foxnews tards should go over to the middle east and see how bad troops have it, especially when out on missions, then come back.

    Also the shock they forget this is a deployment by the trump administration, because of the trump administration and their failure to provide the necessary logistics
    Buh Byeeeeeeeeeeee !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cthulhu 2020 View Post
    If Biden pushed through M4A, the ultra left wing progressives would claim it was because of them.
    If not the pressure being applied on the Dems by progressives, what would you credit the adoption of M4A, assuming the country ever gets it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by s_bushido View Post
    If not the pressure being applied on the Dems by progressives, what would you credit the adoption of M4A, assuming the country ever gets it?
    They only dissed M4A before because they were playing 6D chess.


    Edit: I swear autocorrect is a troll.
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    Quote Originally Posted by infinitemeridian View Post
    Harrison is Biden's choice for DNC chair.

    Once again, the Dems just cannot help themselves from giving consolation prizes to their losers.
    What an extraordinarily poor point in time to be accusing Democrats of wanting consolation prizes for losing lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cthulhu 2020 View Post
    If Biden pushed through M4A, the ultra left wing progressives would claim it was because of them.
    "Why do progressives want credit for progressive policies that our non-progressive candidate may possibly be thinking about considering enacting 60 years late?" is an interesting spin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    Even if Biden pushed through M4A tomorrow these people would still bitch and moan. Just let them QQ and focus on what’s actually important.
    To be clear, if America got M4A tomorrow it would be:

    (a) A far weaker policy than true universal healthcare, which
    (b) Most of the rest of the civilised world has had for longer than its citizens have been alive

    So yes, criticism would be absolutely warranted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yadryonych View Post
    Can't believe the shitshow continues. He's even steady on the way to beat trump's 200K record in just two months

    Just four more years of building america better again
    Oh look everyone, suddenly Coronavirus exists and is a big deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    They are referring to things like keystone... it’s those jobs...
    I looked it up to see where he's getting "60,000 jobs" from, all I could find was a fact-checking site which addressed a claim that it would cost 11,000 jobs:

    A Facebook post says that Biden’s executive order revoking the Keystone XL pipeline "is destroying 11,000 jobs."

    That number is an estimate, and the claim lacks context about the longevity of Keystone jobs.

    TC Energy said more than 1,000 people are out of work because of Biden’s executive order. In October, the company said it expected to employ more than 11,000 Americans in 2021 and generate more than $1.6 in gross wages.

    But both TC Energy and the State Department have said the majority of those jobs would be temporary. A 2014 report found that the company would need only 50 employees to maintain the Keystone XL pipeline once it’s finished, 35 of them permanent.

    Temporary jobs are still jobs. But this post could leave the wrong impression without full context. We rate it Half True.
    https://www.statesman.com/story/news...ck/6673822002/

    Basically, according to the company itself (who you should definitely believe, what possible motive could they have to exaggerate the jobs they would create?) it might employ 11,000 people in short term construction contracts for a year. These are not ongoing jobs, even if they turn out to be real.

    So as far as I can tell Yadryonych is mindlessly repeating a twitter account (by screenshotting it on the forum lol) that took a misleading estimate and multiplied it by 6 for good measure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by szechuan View Post
    Catturd is an idiotic Trumper,

    Trump repeatedly refused to work with the Biden's Transition, The Biden administration found out that Trump had no plan to deal with the Coronavirus.
    The "trump having no plan for pandemic"-thing has been narrated since the very beginning of the pandemic.

    biden, however, claimed he has one:

    Make sure to read the tweet before it goes down the memory hole

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yadryonych View Post
    The "trump having no plan for pandemic"-thing has been narrated since the very beginning of the pandemic.

    biden, however, claimed he has one:



    Make sure to read the tweet before it goes down the memory hole
    Did you think that Tweet meant that Biden's plan was to just snap his fingers and have Covid be over on Jan 21?

    Biden never promised Covid would magically disappear. That was Trump's thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Egomaniac View Post
    Biden never promised Covid would magically disappear.
    True, he only promised he has a plan of getting the virus under control. But then there's magically nothing he can do to change the trajectory of the pandemic. This doesn't really check out... unless you've mastered the art of doublethink, of course

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yadryonych View Post
    True, he only promised he has a plan of getting the virus under control. But then there's magically nothing he can do to change the trajectory of the pandemic. This doesn't really check out... unless you've mastered the art of doublethink, of course
    Still seems better than the trump approach of "don't think once"

    Of course there's another way of looking at it:

    https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireSt...liver-75437468
    WASHINGTON -- It's a proven political strategy: Underpromise and overdeliver.

    President Joe Biden, in his first three days in office, has painted a bleak picture of the country's immediate future, warning Americans that it will take months, not weeks, to reorient a nation facing a historic convergence of crises.

    The dire language is meant as a call to action, but it's also a deliberate effort to temper expectations. In addition, it is an explicit rejection of President Donald Trump’s tack of talking down the coronavirus pandemic and its economic toll.
    I'd say it's better to play up the threat of the virus than play it down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yadryonych View Post
    True, he only promised he has a plan of getting the virus under control. But then there's magically nothing he can do to change the trajectory of the pandemic. This doesn't really check out... unless you've mastered the art of doublethink, of course
    You’re tripping over your misunderstanding of simple words.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yadryonych View Post
    The "trump having no plan for pandemic"-thing has been narrated since the very beginning of the pandemic.
    Yeah, imagine that... it turned out, he didn’t have one...

    biden, however, claimed he has one:

    Make sure to read the tweet before it goes down the memory hole
    It’s getting voted on next week... WTF? Where have you been for 8 months?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yadryonych View Post
    True, he only promised he has a plan of getting the virus under control. But then there's magically nothing he can do to change the trajectory of the pandemic. This doesn't really check out... unless you've mastered the art of doublethink, of course
    Uhm... how about a mask mandate, money for schools and instructing manufacturing to build supplies? How about a plan for Vaccine distribution, so they don’t get thrown away, like it has been happening under Trump. How about extending unemployment, another stimulus, without attacking workers rights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Egomaniac View Post
    I'd say it's better to play up the threat of the virus than play it down.
    That’s the opposite of Underpromise and over deliver... Biden isn’t promising the virus is gone and his relief is slated to last until September, despite forecasts showing that by summer’s end, the virus should be managed. Biden can’t say that and has to plan beyond the projected end, because if it doesn’t happen, it’s just Trump again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post

    That’s the opposite of Underpromise and over deliver... Biden isn’t promising the virus is gone and his relief is slated to last until September, despite forecasts showing that by summer’s end, the virus should be managed. Biden can’t say that and has to plan beyond the projected end, because if it doesn’t happen, it’s just Trump again.
    Trump was Overpromise, Underdeliver. "It'll just go away", "We're going to keep deaths below 60k", "Summer will kill it", etc.

    The article I linked goes into it a bit further...how some people think Biden is setting his goals a little low:

    Maybe they’re picking a number that’s easier to achieve, rather than the number that we need to achieve. I would urge people to be bolder than that,” he said.

    Adalja argued that the goal they’ve set “should be the bare minimum that we accept.” But he also acknowledged that there’s a major political risk in overpromising.

    “You don’t want people to be discouraged or feel like the government is incompetent” if they fail to meet a goal, he said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mormolyce View Post
    I looked it up to see where he's getting "60,000 jobs" from, all I could find was a fact-checking site which addressed a claim that it would cost 11,000 jobs:

    https://www.statesman.com/story/news...ck/6673822002/

    Basically, according to the company itself (who you should definitely believe, what possible motive could they have to exaggerate the jobs they would create?) it might employ 11,000 people in short term construction contracts for a year. These are not ongoing jobs, even if they turn out to be real.
    Yeah, I didn’t look into it, because all those jobs are temporary. It doesn’t matter that it’s 60k or 11k, they won’t exist once Canada is done fucking over US land, by completing the pipeline. Remember boys and girls... when they say America first, they mean oil companies...

    It’s also no surprise that this is nothing more than the Coal Miner scam. Creating policy that sends millions of dollars to coal barons, to save jobs... but, never mentioning that there were less than 50k coal miners in 2018, with it likely being closer to 30k today, due to all the lay offs that followed Trump’s bail outs.

    Fossil fuel subsidies equal to 20 billion in US:
    https://www.eesi.org/papers/view/fac...societal-costs

    If that money went directly to coal miners in 2018... I know the scope is greater than coal... but, for ease of math and googling, those 50k coal miners... would be getting 400k per year... what the fuck are they doing with the money, if they are still laying people off?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yadryonych View Post
    True, he only promised he has a plan of getting the virus under control. But then there's magically nothing he can do to change the trajectory of the pandemic. This doesn't really check out... unless you've mastered the art of doublethink, of course
    You give Trump a pass for four years and hundreds of thousands of deaths, and put all the blame on Biden who has only been in office for a few days...I thought you Trump zealots left here...

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    All this talk about who gets to take credit for shit and nobody sees how that itself is a problem. You're not in competition. You're meant to care about your country, about the people that are in it. Not more interested in scoring points on each other.

    On the topic of M4A, I still haven't seen an actual plan that has majority support. Unless anyone can link that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    You give Trump a pass for four years and hundreds of thousands of deaths, and put all the blame on Biden who has only been in office for a few days...I thought you Trump zealots left here...
    Trump zealot, or Russian troll doing what Russian trolls do?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yadryonych View Post
    True, he only promised he has a plan of getting the virus under control. But then there's magically nothing he can do to change the trajectory of the pandemic. This doesn't really check out... unless you've mastered the art of doublethink, of course
    It takes time to get shit under control when you’re left with it raging out of control... and he’s already done more in 4 days than Trump managed in 9 months. Good luck earning those turnips.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    It takes time to get shit under control when you’re left with it raging out of control... and he’s already done more in 4 days than Trump managed in 9 months. Good luck earning those turnips.
    And with an administration that quite literally left no plans, lied about doses, and didn't want to cooperate with the transition.
    Just don't reply to me. Please. If you can help it.

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