Biden / Harris Focused Discussion

[gondrin]

I had an acquaintance of mine that lived in NH and had nothing but complaints about the idiocy of "sovereign citizens."

Just remember, because they are "travelling", they don't need to have a license to drive or insurance. I love watching the idiocy of sovereign citizens when they get caught doing dumb shit. Sorry for the derail.

[Katchii]

Then why do you list corporations, when arguing job loss? You are not actually saying anything specific, outside listing the corporation that would lose profits. If you are not arguing profits lost by corporations, resulting in ambiguous job loss, what are you arguing? Hy even bring up the corporations, instead of the job sectors impacted? You went to school for this... my requests should be easy to meet... I also think you would lose points on a test about jobs, where you spend it talking about corporations, without even mentioning a job sector.

Not that I'm agreeing with the stance, but those corporations do employ people. I'm sure you know when companies and corporations lose profits and need to cut their losses and still try and make profits they cut jobs. Therefore, if corporations lose money, people lose jobs. Additionally, the corporations listed did somewhat indirectly mention the job sector...the defense sector, that manufactures, develops and distributes weapons and all the ancillary pieces of that business.

[Felya]

Not that I'm agreeing with the stance, but those corporations do employ people. I'm sure you know when companies and corporations lose profits and need to cut their losses and still try and make profits they cut jobs. Therefore, if corporations lose money, people lose jobs. Additionally, the corporations listed did somewhat indirectly mention the job sector...the defense sector, that manufactures, develops and distributes weapons and all the ancillary pieces of that business.

They don’t need to cut jobs... this is virtue signaling or a threat... depending on who is saying it.

If more people shit on the street, we need to hire more people to clean the streets. Does that mean those arresting street shitters, are killing jobs? Does that mean ending wars and arm sales, are just means to kill jobs?

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Cool. And yeah, while I am sure the Saudi's can get someone to arm them, probably the Israeli's since they are best friends now; I don't want any part in their actions. The War Industry, much like Health Insurance ghouls can burn in hell for all I care.

Russia is the second largest arms dealer in the world... Israel is not even in the top 5... wtf?

[Katchii]

They don’t need to cut jobs... this is virtue signaling or a threat... depending on who is saying it.

It's not virtue signaling, it's a real thing....it happens all the time. True, they don't NEED to cut jobs, but they do. Anyone who think otherwise are delusional.

If more people shit on the street, we need to hire more people to clean the streets. Does that mean those arresting street shitters, are killing jobs? Does that mean ending wars and arm sales, are just means to kill jobs?

I don't even know wtf you're trying to say here. This is a completely asinine example and you know it....

[Felya]

It's not virtue signaling, it's a real thing....it happens all the time. True, they don't NEED to cut jobs, but they do. Anyone who think otherwise are delusional.

Then the problem isn’t the loss of arm sales, but the way the corporation is structured.

I don't even know wtf you're trying to say here. This is a completely asinine example and you know it....

That you can do the most ridiculous things one can imagine, then claim fixing the problem is going to cost jobs.

[Katchii]

Then the problem isn’t the loss of arm sales, but the way the corporation is structured.

That's the world we live in...

That's not to say it can't or shouldn't change, but that's the way it currently is.

That you can do the most ridiculous things one can imagine, then claim fixing the problem is going to cost jobs.

Doesn't change that fact that jobs will be lost. Again, that's not to say it's not worth doing, but the loss of jobs DOES need to be considered in the discussion. Just like with any other decision, all angles and consequence, both positive and negative, need to be considered.

You can't just hand wave that away.

[shimerra]

That's the world we live in...

That's not to say it can't or shouldn't change, but that's the way it currently is.



Doesn't change that fact that jobs will be lost. Again, that's not to say it's not worth doing, but the loss of jobs DOES need to be considered in the discussion. Just like with any other decision, all angles and consequence, both positive and negative, need to be considered.

You can't just hand wave that away.

The jobs gained are not worth the extra dead bodies because of a regime we shouldn't be selling weapons to uses them to kill civilians. We're not talking the collapse of Boeing or something that's going to send shock waves through the entire US economy. It's arms sales that could be potentially made up elsewhere.


Whew, jobs considered. That was hard. Those jobs may be lost, doesn't mean those people can't or wont find gainful employment elsewhere or that even if they couldn't we should continue selling to Saudi's.

[Katchii]

The jobs gained are not worth the extra dead bodies because of a regime we shouldn't be selling weapons to uses them to kill civilians. We're not talking the collapse of Boeing or something that's going to send shock waves through the entire US economy. It's arms sales that could be potentially made up elsewhere.

Whew, jobs considered. That was hard. Those jobs may be lost, doesn't mean those people can't or wont find gainful employment elsewhere or that even if they couldn't we should continue selling to Saudi's.

Never argued otherwise. I wasn't making any statements in support of the idea. All I was ever saying was that if corporations lose money, in many cases, people lose jobs.

[Felya]

That's the world we live in...

What does this mean? Do we live in a world where corporations use workers as a shield to confuse people about their profits?

Doesn't change that fact that jobs will be lost.

That’s not a fact... like I already said... this is a threat or virtue signaling... depending on who is saying it...

Again, that's not to say it's not worth doing, but the loss of jobs DOES need to be considered in the discussion. Just like with any other decision, all angles and consequence, both positive and negative, need to be considered.

Why are the jobs lost because we are no longer selling weapons, instead of corporate greed?

You can't just hand wave that away.

How is pointing out that the cause of job loss, is misrepresentation, hand waving it away?

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Never argued otherwise. I wasn't making any statements in support of the idea. All I was ever saying was that if corporations lose money, in many cases, people lose jobs.

Why don’t we identify the cases in which they lose jobs, to fix it?

[shimerra]

Never argued otherwise. I wasn't making any statements in support of the idea. All I was ever saying was that if corporations lose money, in many cases, people lose jobs.

So basically you were just LARPing the Ackchyually meme. Like pointing out that the sky isn't really blue. Thanks.

[Felya]

So basically you were just LARPing the Ackchyually meme. Like pointing out that the sky isn't really blue. Thanks.

The “in many cases”, actually gives a way out for those gloomy days when the sky isn’t really that blue...

[shimerra]

The “in many cases”, actually gives a way out for those gloomy days when the sky isn’t really that blue...

I think I found a better example. It's like the clever kids who come into healthcare threads and try and tell us that Free Healthcare isn't really free and you pay for it with taxes. Well no fucking shit.

[Katchii]

What does this mean? Do we live in a world where corporations use workers as a shield to confuse people about their profits?

That’s not a fact... like I already said... this is a threat or virtue signaling... depending on who is saying it...

So, people don't lose their jobs when the people they work for lose tons of money? Ever?

Why are the jobs lost because we are no longer selling weapons, instead of corporate greed?

How is pointing out that the cause of job loss, is misrepresentation, hand waving it away?

I'm not sure exactly what you mean by misrepresentation.

Why don’t we identify the cases in which they lose jobs, to fix it?

I don't care enough about the subject to continue arguing with you, it's not worth it.

So basically you were just LARPing the Ackchyually meme. Like pointing out that the sky isn't really blue. Thanks.

The “in many cases”, actually gives a way out for those gloomy days when the sky isn’t really that blue...

I think I found a better example. It's like the clever kids who come into healthcare threads and try and tell us that Free Healthcare isn't really free and you pay for it with taxes. Well no fucking shit.

Have fun with your circle jerk, I guess.

[Bodakane]

I don't care enough about the subject to continue arguing with you, it's not worth it.







Have fun with your circle jerk, I guess.

lol, the only one having a circle jerk is you. You are spouting literal right wing slogans and think that qualifies as a legit argument. Its bad faith.

[Orange Joe]

No, I said you were lying about what I never actually said. I offered you a chance to provide the quotes, and you refused.

So wait. Even though you do think it would be better..... Your saying he is lying cause you didn't outright say it yet? wtf is wrong with you?

[shimerra]

Have fun with your circle jerk, I guess.

Pretty sure you need more than two people for it to qualify. And regardless it was you who interrupted a discussion about whether or not America should sell arms to the Suadi's with a completely waste of everyone's time "herp derp what about the jobs" as if we hadn't factored in the jobs lost already and decided that keeping the jobs wasn't worth the deaths caused and aid provided to a shitty regime.


Wish you would've realized it was a complete waste of time before you started. Because it was then and you've only drug it downhill since. I'm not sure what the term is but you can continue spooging into your own face instead of all over this thread on your own.

[SAY HER NAME]

Biden ending private prisions is insane

Surprised more people arent talking about it

[shimerra]

It's already been discussed a few pages back. At face value it's defiantly a massively good thing. The reality is we have to see what actually happens as a result.

[Benggaul]

Biden ending private prisions is insane

Surprised more people arent talking about it

It was spoken about a while ago. You might have missed it among some of the silly multi-page arguments since then. Not sure how "insane" it is as opposed to, you know, a pretty great step.

[Felya]

I don't care enough about the subject to continue arguing with you, it's not worth it.

Here is what you consider worth it:

Have fun with your circle jerk, I guess.